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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2022, 01:53:15 am »
My Siglent SDS1104X-E was "Ships from Amazon.com Sold by Amazon.com".
Yes, and Siglent is the only brand I could find with a quick search that is sold by Amazon.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2022, 01:54:44 am »
Fact is distributors get the chance to acquire demo models for customers to try before buying.

Anybody properly engaged in this industry can offer this to customers but as Fungus says all equipment has quirks however as engineers aren't we always learning new products so why would equipment be any different ?
And that works if you have a good retailer near you.  I used to live in Toronto and as a trombone player I used to frequent a big retailer (Long & McQuade) where I got to know the wind instrument manager  very well.  If I was in the market for a new horn Greg would let me take any demo model home for 2 or 3 days to try it out.  No charge!!  I had a similar relationship with a camera shop where I live now, until he retired and closed up.  For electronic test equipment though, my nearest supplier is in Toronto more than 2 hours drive (one way).  I do buy everything off them and they do have a retail outlet, but the chance to even get a demo is next to nil.  Add to the that many retailers these days only have an on-line presence.  I would suggest that many find themselves in this position.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2022, 01:58:55 am »
You are trying to justify things you know are wrong or objectionable. At the same time you sound like TikTok Karens that discovered the same exact "hack".
Now, now, don't get insulting.  What I am is someone that is having a "what if" discussion.  Like I said, my question is hypothetical.  For discussion purposes, and I will play devil's advocate.  Please try to keep it civil.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2022, 02:04:49 am »
Hantek performance fully matches the stated specifications.
Have you read the threads concerning these?  They mostly just don't work.  It is an implied (so much so it does not need to be mentioned) specification of ANY product that it works.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2022, 02:07:33 am »
Sure, provided it's not faulty or otherwise unusable.
You're moving the goal posts here.  This isn't the scenario you originally outlined.  You oultlined a situation where you're unable to decide between 2-3 choices.

I've never found myself in this situation,  I do my research,  I narrow it down to the item I want.  I buy the item.     With rare exception (above KVM switch which had a massive functionality issue) I keep the item.

As I use it maybe I'll discover things I dislike.  Maybe I'll read about competitors new offerings.  I add this to my "knowledge" and use this
when buying my next model.     Maybe the severity of these accelerates the timeline by which I upgrade and sell the old one as used but that's about it.

Hantek performance fully matches the stated specifications.
Have you read the threads concerning these?  They mostly just don't work.  It is an implied (so much so it does not need to be mentioned) specification of ANY product that it works.

Then you would not buy that brand period. 
 
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2022, 02:08:09 am »
My Siglent SDS1104X-E was "Ships from Amazon.com Sold by Amazon.com".
Yes, and Siglent is the only brand I could find with a quick search that is sold by Amazon.
Siglent NA's Amazon shop actually selling as Siglent Technologies.
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2022, 02:15:42 am »
Siglent NA's Amazon shop actually selling as Siglent Technologies.
I can't find a single Siglent item that is not sold by Amazon actually.

And then there is this gem https://smile.amazon.com/Professional-Dishwashing-Detergent-Cleaning-Disinfecting/dp/B0BQHQ5YWW
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2022, 02:17:35 am »
A more honest way is to resell the equipment you do not like. The resale value is usually very good for the known brands.
Sure, provided it's not faulty or otherwise unusable.

Would anyone have an objection to returning a FNIRSI or Hantek DSO2X1X scope?  I doubt it.  Of course if one followed the posts on this forum, why would one even buy either, but that's a moot point.  Not everyone reads this forum.

However, even buying a $1000 scope, should one keep it and try to resell it if they find the UI totally unacceptable?  Or some other flaw/"feature" that was buried by the specs?  Would it be dishonest to return such a thing?

Yes return it if you do think you made a mistake. Here in the EU the consumer law is that one can return items within 14 days for any reason. This is specifically so you can return goods you found lacking.

But that was not the question stated in the original post. If you buy multiple items without any intent to keep more than one item, you may be abusing the system. But I am not going to judge anyone.

I once heard that clothing stores were having problems with people that would buy clothing for a party and then return the items for a full refund. Is that any different? The laws is to protect consumers, but it is open for abuse and everyone pays a higher price due to that.
 

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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2022, 02:17:54 am »

And then there is this gem https://smile.amazon.com/Professional-Dishwashing-Detergent-Cleaning-Disinfecting/dp/B0BQHQ5YWW

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without any intent
As with most things legal/moral; "intent" is the key.   I only buy things I intend to keep.  Others do not.  A product defect or fault does not change one's initial purchase intent.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2022, 02:28:33 am »
You're moving the goal posts here.
Well, no, I'm not.  If you find the UI confusing, annoying or troublesome, it renders the device virtually unusable.  Unless masochism is your thing.

Then you would not buy that brand period.
People do.  Maybe they don't have the resources (inexperienced).  Perhaps they don't know a good place to find information they can use to make the decision.  Again, experience plays in being able to understand what you read on-line about things too.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2022, 02:30:43 am »
You're moving the goal posts here.
Well, no, I'm not.  If you find the UI confusing, annoying or troublesome, it renders the device virtually unusable.  Unless masochism is your thing.
There is this thing called Youtube.  I'm pretty sure every item I've ever considered buying has about 50 eval videos.  If you can't figure out from these that you dislike the UI sufficiently to be forced to return,  then perhaps the issue isn't the products.  Just sayin!
 

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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2022, 02:30:55 am »
Siglent NA's Amazon shop actually selling as Siglent Technologies.
I can't find a single Siglent item that is not sold by Amazon actually.
The US is not the only place in the world  :-DD.  Here in Canada my favorite retailer for Siglent, RCC, sell through Amazon.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2022, 02:32:58 am »
You're moving the goal posts here.
Well, no, I'm not.  If you find the UI confusing, annoying or troublesome, it renders the device virtually unusable.  Unless masochism is your thing.

Then you would not buy that brand period.
People do.  Maybe they don't have the resources (inexperienced).  Perhaps they don't know a good place to find information they can use to make the decision.  Again, experience plays in being able to understand what you read on-line about things too.
Price alone clouds sound judgement.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2022, 02:36:08 am »
Here in Canada my favorite retailer for Siglent, RCC, sell through Amazon.
That's fine, other countries will have different options. It was more of a general observation that at least in the US Siglent equipment is sold by amazon.

All I'm saying is that
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Yes, I do mean "Sold by Amazon" products.
May be hard to impossible. I can't find a second scope other than Siglent that is sold by amazon. And if you do this trick on item not sold by amazon, but by your favorite retailer, you will be screwing them.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2022, 02:38:52 am »
No buying to try it out then return is not nice. I know sometimes you don't have no choice as there is no store for you to even look at the instruments before you buy. That is why I hate the fact that ecomerce has killed all the local businesses.
Some company would let you try out the demo for a period of time before you decide to buy or not and that is a much better practice because the same demo can go to many customers not brand new one that can't be sold as new any more.
Years ago stereo stores would let me take home a piece of audio equipment to try it out in my house for a couple of weeks or so. That is much better than buy new then return.
 
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2022, 02:44:51 am »
All I'm saying is that
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Yes, I do mean "Sold by Amazon" products.
May be hard to impossible.
Point given.

Well, it seems there is a definite "Naw mate, that'd be wrong!" vibe on the EEVBLOG forum.  I expected there would be but I found teh exercise entertaining.  Thanks to all that participated and have a great holiday season!  :-+ :-+
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2022, 02:45:12 am »
I can't find a second scope other than Siglent that is sold by amazon.
Sometime bady wrong with your browser settings....there's dozens of them !  :scared:
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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2022, 02:46:21 am »
I expected there would be but I found teh exercise entertaining.  Thanks to all that participated and have a great holiday season!  :-+ :-+
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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2022, 02:48:11 am »
Sometime bady wrong with your browser settings....there's dozens of them !  :scared:
Example?

Note that I don't mean "sold on amazon.com" or even "fulfilled by amazon". "Sold by amazon" means that Amazon actually owns the device, and does not just hold it for the seller. This is extremely rare for expensive items with low sell-though rate. Amazon does not want to sit on inventory that does not sell.

This is the only scenario where you can justify anything by saying that you are sticking it to the huge corporation. Anything else and you are just hurting the seller and helping amazon to be even bigger.

And I guess this would be hugely region dependent, since I doubt Amazon would ship a scope to the US even if they have it in their AU warehouse.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2022, 02:55:22 am »
No buying to try it out then return is not nice. I know sometimes you don't have no choice as there is no store for you to even look at the instruments before you buy. That is why I hate the fact that ecomerce has killed all the local businesses.
Some company would let you try out the demo for a period of time before you decide to buy or not and that is a much better practice because the same demo can go to many customers not brand new one that can't be sold as new any more.
Years ago stereo stores would let me take home a piece of audio equipment to try it out in my house for a couple of weeks or so. That is much better than buy new then return.
Yeah, for sure.  The demise of the local special interest retailer is a real loss.  The relationships I had in the past for music and photography were gold.  I still have a great relationship with a local computer store, but he is finding it increasingly impossible to find good employees and I think the writing in an the wall for that too.

A long, long time ago, before statutory warranties and such, there was an old saying "You pay your money and you take your chances".  It looks like ecommerce will bring that sentiment back in some way.  Do all the research you can, find a manufacturer that share your philosophy and give them support.  For me that's XO Brass for my trombones, Pentax for my cameras and Siglent for my test equipment.  BTW the owner of RCC has given me the option of retuning anything I buy off him.  I guess you can still build good relationships over the internet.
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Re: Try before you buy?
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2022, 02:55:42 am »
Sometime bady wrong with your browser settings....there's dozens of them !  :scared:
Example?

Note that I don't mean "sold on amazon.com" or even "fulfilled by amazon". "Sold by amazon" means that Amazon actually owns the device, and does not just hold it for the seller. This is extremely rare for expensive items with low sell-though rate. Amazon does not want to sit on inventory that does not sell.

This is the only scenario where you can justify anything by saying that you are sticking it to the huge corporation. Anything else and you are just hurting the seller and helping amazon to be even bigger.

And I guess this would be hugely region dependent, since I doubt Amazon would ship a scope to the US even if they have it in their AU warehouse.
Siglent ex Amazon are NA in Aussie as checked that out a while back but some policy allows shipping to NZ.  :-//

Now see what you mean about sold by Amazon, thanks....yeah don't have an account so never buy from them.
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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2022, 02:56:23 am »
You realize you can't kill this thread that easily ;-)
Bring it on!!!  :popcorn: :)
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