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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #750 on: September 05, 2023, 11:22:24 am »
Regarding fan replacement, I'm looking at Sanyo Denki 9RA1212H1001 which is slightly less powerful than the stock Panaflo (~14% less air flow and ~10% less static pressure) but 8.5dB less noise.
However, they are a bit expensive at €37.

I've seen people suggest Noctua NF-A14 iPPC3000 or Nidec DC1225CB6/B7 in the thread, but the Nidec models are not easy to find and I wanted to avoid an adapter for 140mm fans (also the Noctua is only 4dB less noise than stock Panaflo).

Has anyone used other fans and how did they work out for you in terms of temps?
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #751 on: September 06, 2023, 06:15:07 am »
Regarding fan replacement, I'm looking at Sanyo Denki 9RA1212H1001 which is slightly less powerful than the stock Panaflo (~14% less air flow and ~10% less static pressure) but 8.5dB less noise.
However, they are a bit expensive at €37.

I've seen people suggest Noctua NF-A14 iPPC3000 or Nidec DC1225CB6/B7 in the thread, but the Nidec models are not easy to find and I wanted to avoid an adapter for 140mm fans (also the Noctua is only 4dB less noise than stock Panaflo).

Has anyone used other fans and how did they work out for you in terms of temps?

Often the temperature are even not shown on the service GUI. So hard to compare.

I went with the Nuctua & required 3D printing adapters. It is less load but still as a load hoover and requires good cooling. Each old fan is about 1.5kg.

I addition I reduced the two aluminum plate sizes, so easier & faster to handle in case of front panel re movement (as clean-up & Encoders to replace). In addition the 5...7mm black foam have to be replaces as I used afterwords a softer one.

Anyway, the LeCroy DSO was not a masterpiece how to build an easy maintainable / service able gear. Almost the front bezel as a nightmare as requires replacement but 3D printing not able to get equal bezel color.

Happy tuning.
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #752 on: October 11, 2023, 07:29:50 am »
Hi, can you share your dsoxstream installer 8.5? Thanks!
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #753 on: December 11, 2023, 06:02:30 am »
Hello, Converter
I am upgrading LeCroy waverunner 7100a now, can you tell me how to upgrade to 7300a? Thank you very much.
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #754 on: June 05, 2024, 01:40:01 pm »
I really love the Lecroy scope.

The DDA-5005 is awesome, however, only fixed 50Ohm input.

Simple hardware mod:
Bought a broken WP72000 :-DD

I'ts already up and running. Had a weird error where Win7k did not find a startup file. Cloned the HDD, now it works flawlessly.

How did you repair the 50ohm?
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #755 on: July 02, 2024, 07:48:19 pm »
Hello, I followed the thread of reinstallation with original touch panel, and interestingly the driver does work with hidden COM3 port (not displayed by Windows). But the problem is that the touch point coordinates are inverted: whatever should be an upper left corner of the touch panel is generating the coordinate in the lower right corner; the movement of touch point down is displayed as moving up. I found that there is a swap of X/Y setting and it needs to be checked after installation. But I did not yet find how to invert coordinates. I guess that the radical solution is to swap panel wires, but it is unchanged hardware and I am assuming that it used to work correctly before.
Does anyone know if / where is the setting to mirror X and Y directions?
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #756 on: August 28, 2024, 05:42:15 pm »
Hello,

after upgrading my LeCroy WaveMaster 6300A in 2019, which is strill running great, I got a very "used" Waverunner 64Xi from ebay.
The Touchpanel was cracked, some damage on the case, some of the encoders on the front panel were broken.
And Windows XP was not booting. Seems that it was thrown into a dumpster because of this, and all other damage
was from the trowing it away. And all the round knobs were missing.

The encoders were the easiest part,they are ALPS STEC12E07 and STEC12E08. Very cheap, and easy to solder.

For the non-booting HDD, I used a copy of a disk from a WaveRunner 24Xs, which works fine, with one exeption.

Then I got a touch panel from china, perfect fit, and it should work. And here my problem starts: I can not get the touch panel
to work. I swapped the LCD+Touch Screen with a WaveRunner, and there the china touch works fine, and the original touch also
does not work in the Waverunner.
So the problem has to be either a driver/configuration issue, or the touch controller chip on the front panel pcb is bad.

Any hints on this issue? I thing the front panel is connected via USB to the main board. The Wavesurfer front panel
is different, and does not work in the waverunner. Which device in Windows Device Manager is for the touch panel?

And I am looking for a rear case, and the roung knobs (original ones).

Peter
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #757 on: August 29, 2024, 10:03:23 am »
can you pop out  the windows device manager and see if there are errors with exclamation marks,
if so  you can get the Vid / Pid's  of them and search for drivers
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #758 on: August 29, 2024, 10:22:32 am »
Device manager is "clean". I did a reinstall of Xstream 8.1.2.0 today, nothing changed.
The two HID devices are both VID_05FF and PID_000A

Can someone with a Waverunner Xi check if the VID and PID are the same?
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #759 on: October 24, 2024, 07:24:31 pm »
I have an SDA6000A which I am trying to install XP on instead of Win2K.
I have the original Intel D865GLC motherboard, and I am trying to install the INF files that dxl made originally for windows 7, but people say solve the issue of the fan controller not working correctly under XP --- which I experience if I install the DSO drivers with the original inf files.

Unfortunately, the installation of the dxl modified inf drivers fails after successfully installing the first driver (XStream DSO Devices), with subsequent drivers for any of the following "new hardware found" steps giving the error:
"Windows could not load the installer for DataAcquisition. Contact your hardware vendor for assistance".
This is even though I direct device manager manually to the correct folder.

Did anyone encounter this problem before?

I have tried everything I can think of to no avail. E.g., this happens regardless if I have XStream software and motherboard drivers installed, or if it is a fresh Windows XP Pro SP3 installation.

 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #760 on: October 24, 2024, 07:47:37 pm »
AFAIK the device drivers aren't compatible between Win2k, WinXP and Windows7. IMHO you'll need the specific device drivers for the specific Windows version. So unless you can find XP drivers for your scope, you'll have to use Win2k. I don't think that is a bad thing though as Win2k is a pretty stable version of Windows.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #761 on: October 24, 2024, 07:55:00 pm »
@nctnico, the device drivers are specified by LeCroy as compatible both with Win2K and XP, and many people have also used them with no problems with Windows 7 32bit.
This was covered deeply in this thread, which I have read very carefully (all 31 pages of it).
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #762 on: October 24, 2024, 08:09:43 pm »
In that case I don't know what the problem is. I vaguely recall having some difficulties getting Lecroy's drivers going myself. So check if there aren't any other folders with .inf files that could be the drivers Windows is missing.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #763 on: October 24, 2024, 08:59:10 pm »
It just occurred to me to do the following experiment:
I tried to install the drivers with the original inf files not using the installer (which works fine except for the fan controller issue), but manually as I did when installing with the dxl modified inf files (which dxl says do not work with the installer, and instructed to install manually https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg1144239/#msg1144239).

Well, I get the same error!

So, I am probably not doing the manual process correctly, but I do not know what my mistake is!

They way I do it is as follows:
  • I open device manager and right click on the only device that is not installed correctly, namely "PCI data Acquisition and Signal Processing Controller" under "Other devices".
  • In the popup menu I select "Update driver" (BTW, "Uninstall driver" does nothing, indicating as expected that no driver is installed).
  • In the "Hardware Update Wizard" window that opens I select "No, not this time" for the suggestion to connect to Windows Update, and click "Next".
  • In the next screen I select the option "Install from a list of specific locations (Advanced)", and click "Next" (BTW, the option to install automatically, if selected, complains as expected that it could not find the software needed).
  • In the next screen I select "Include this location in the search", and browse to the folder where I have the drivers (and the inf files), and click "Next".
  • The first LeCroy driver installs successfully  and the wizard reports that it finshed installing the software for "XStream DSO Devices". I click "Finish".
  • As a result, the new driver appears in device manager under "multifunction adapters" as "XStream DSO Devices". Being a multifunction device, it causes 7 new devices (indicated as not installed correctly) to show under "Other devices". All 7 devices are called "Multifunction Device" at this point.
  • This causes a new "Found New Hardware Wizard" window to automatically pop up, prompting me to install the driver for it.
  • I repeat steps 3,4,5 above, but this time I get the error message mentioned in my initial post https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg5688385/#msg5688385 saying "Windows could not load the installer for DataAcquisition...", and in the background showing the name of the device the wizard was trying to find the software for (at this point it is "LeCroy Acquisition device").
  • Clicking "OK" in the error message leads to a notification that "Cannot Install this Hardware", with the only option to click "Finish", after which the wizard closes and a new wizard pops up automatically for the next one of the 7 new devices mentioned above, only to have the same error message appear again and again.

What am I doing wrong?
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #764 on: October 24, 2024, 09:46:15 pm »
I fired up my Wavepro 7300A to check. In WinXP's device manager it has only 1 multi-function adapter called 'XStream DSO Devices'. Driver version is 5.1.1.201
The PC type under computer (item at the top) is called 'Advanced power computer interface (ACPI)'. Maybe it is a BIOS issue which prevents IRQs to be assigned properly or something else plug & pray related.
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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #765 on: October 25, 2024, 10:00:18 am »

On my updated WM8600A & SDA6020 with the d865glc, I use the P25-0077.BIO bios. As running XP 4G RAM & CPU 3GHz.

Before any updates, just do some HD clones before :D

Hp
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #766 on: October 25, 2024, 11:25:25 am »
I think I figured out what the problem is, and its solution.

As explained by dxl in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg1144239/#msg1144239, the LeCroy card is a multi function device.

Once the root device is installed (called "XStream DSO Devices"), all it's children appear in device-manager, and individual drivers for each need to be installed. However, all these child devices (with the exception of the printer port --- which is the only one that does not throw the error I described) are specified in the original inf files, as well as in the inf files from dxl, as belonging to a drivers class called "DataAcquisition". The problem is that the class driver for this class is missing unless one first runs the LeCroy DSO drivers automatic installer. The manual procedure I described in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg5688495/#msg5688495 does not do that.

The conjecture by dxl from https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg1145451/#msg1145451, that his procedure may work on a clean install of Windows, without first running the LeCroy automatic installer and then uninstalling all the drivers in device manager (as he did as a side-effect of his experiments, which BTW does not uninstall the class driver), is wrong, at least for Windows XP (and I doubt if things are different in Windows 7). Unfortunately, some messages in the forum may be interpreted as confirming this wrong conjecture (though none were super clear), at least that is what it looked like to me.

I believe that more details on a simple procedure for a clean installation will be of benefit to other forum members, and I will post these hopefully when I have more time to experiment during the weekend.

@hpw, the irony of it is that my problem was that I was using a cloning/imaging software  :palm:: whenever an experiment failed I restored an image of the system from before the experiment, which is why I never ended up installing the modified dxl drivers with the class driver left around from a previous experiment to save me  >:(
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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #767 on: October 25, 2024, 03:39:34 pm »
@hpw, the irony of it is that my problem was that I was using a cloning/imaging software  :palm:: whenever an experiment failed I restored an image of the system from before the experiment, which is why I never ended up installing the modified dxl drivers with the class driver left around from a previous experiment to save me  >:(

If I experiment with new OS or LeCroy SW, I did a clone of the HD and used the NEW cloned HD.

The cloning is done by the given Intel main board, SW by RDriveImage7 & boot CD, source SATA or PATA and destination SATA as new HD.

So I am 100% sure (almost) that the original will work again and I do not loose any working setup.

The cloning HD are all SATA SSD Kingston as 120GBytes, while the XP OS do not permit any bigger. Second SATA HD may 1 Terra without any issues as on XP.

Often it ended up as the touch screen was no any longer working. Any Win7 32bit was not working in any regards.

Hp

 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #768 on: October 26, 2024, 03:47:35 pm »
As promised, here is the procedure that I found working for installing the LeCroy DSO drivers onto a fresh Windows XP system.

The key is to first install and register the "DataAcquisition" class driver, and then proceed to install the different LeCroy function drivers.
To make it easy, I have created an archive that contains the relevant pieces.

I took the opportunity to merge the latest INF files dxl so graciously shared in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg1145451/#msg1145451 (his 3rd of three versions) with LeCroy version 8.x drivers (dxl included the version 6.x drivers).
I kept the original LeCroy front panel driver, and not dxl's front panel driver: dxl's modified driver is intended to solve the flickering front panel lights issue on systems with multi-core/hyper-threading CPUs, but a more universally effective solution later came up in this thread in the form of a filter driver by ingowien (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg2222433/#msg2222433). Note that none of the files in the archive are my creation except for DataAcquisitionClassDriver.reg; the rest are from LeCroy or dxl.

To Install the drivers using the archive proceed as follows:
  • Copy the file AcqDevClassInstaller.dll to C:\Windows\system32
  • Right-click the DataAcquisitionClassDriver.reg file and select “merge”. This will register the DataAcquisition class and connect it to the dll file.
  • Open device manager (select "view" → "show hidden devices" if needed), and right-click the LeCroy hardware that is indicated as not installed correctly (initially this should be “PCI data Acquisition and Signal Processing Controller" under "Other devices"). Select "Update driver".
  • In the "Hardware Update Wizard" window that opens skip the suggestion to connect to Windows Update, and manually direct it to look in the folder where you extracted the archive.
  • Once "XStream DSO Devices" is installed, seven new devices should appear in device manager, and each should automatically launch a wizard window. Repeat step 4 for each (or steps 3 and 4 if a wizard does not open automatically for some device).

To verify the installation, double-click each of the 8 installed devices in device manager, verify that each is reported as “working properly”, and that each has some resources assigned to it. In particular, if the fan controller resources page says: "This device isn't using any resources because it has a problem", then it is not installed correctly: while this message is fine when you see it in Win2K, it is not under XP (see https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg2299326/#msg2299326, for conjectures why).

Note: with this method, which uses dxl’s INF files, the touchscreen COM port will appear in device manager simply as “Communications Port”, and not as “Communications Port (LeCroy)” as when using the LeCroy INF files. This is fine, and one can see that the correct hardware is installed by noticing that its resources are within the range of resources of the parent multifunction device “XStream DSO Devices".

Installing the class driver using steps 1 and 2 above may or may not work in Win7 (I have not tried). In any case, I believe the following can be done instead:
Run the official LeCroy automatic installer for DSO drivers (you can stop it after it installs the first driver "XStream DSO Devices"). Then uninstall all the devices just installed by right-clicking each device in device manager (remember to make hidden devices visible) and selecting “uninstall”. Make sure you check the “delete driver” checkbox in the confirmation dialog. BTW, this checkbox does not exist for XP, making the uninstall more difficult as one needs to find the drivers and INF files installed and delete them manually --- not doing so results in windows later displaying multiple driver options for some of the devices during installation, leading to the joys experienced by Mechatrommer as described in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg2299461/#msg2299461. The net result should be that all the individual function drivers for the devices will be removed, but the class driver will remain.

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #769 on: October 27, 2024, 08:31:38 am »
As promised, here is the procedure that I found working for installing the LeCroy DSO drivers onto a fresh Windows XP system.

The key is to first install and register the "DataAcquisition" class driver, and then proceed to install the different LeCroy function drivers.
To make it easy, I have created an archive that contains the relevant pieces.

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Thank you, and all the given files relates to which LeCroy SW XStreamDSOInstaller version?


 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #770 on: October 27, 2024, 01:43:59 pm »
Thank you, and all the given files relates to which LeCroy SW XStreamDSOInstaller version?

I have used it with version 8.1.2.0, which is the latest. However, I see no reason it should not work with version 6.8.1.4, or anything in between. There was never an indication in any of the messages in this long thread that there is a connection between the drivers and the XStream software versions (at least in these ranges).

Also, if one wants, one can replace all the actual driver binaries in my archive with the ones from version 6.x of the DSO drivers, and keep only the INF files and the registry file. Versions 6.x and 8.x of the drivers have exactly the same original INF files, and they both work with the modified INF files from dxl that are in the archive. The registry file is version agnostic as well.
 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #771 on: October 28, 2024, 04:43:52 pm »

Note: with this method, which uses dxl’s INF files, the touchscreen COM port will appear in device manager simply as “Communications Port”, and not as “Communications Port (LeCroy)” as when using the LeCroy INF files. This is fine, and one can see that the correct hardware is installed by noticing that its resources are within the range of resources of the parent multifunction device “XStream DSO Devices".

Hmm, just check the given zip file and see the following within the LecAladdinSerialport.inf file:

LeCroySerialPortDesc= "Communications Port (LeCroy)"

This means, first statement is wrong or did you provide the real file(s)?

 

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Re: Upgrading Mainboard in Lecroy DDA-3000 (aka WavePro 7300a?)
« Reply #772 on: October 28, 2024, 06:10:46 pm »
AladdinDrivers2.inf  is the main file,     Class = Multifunction  it does help  for hardwares id's  mapping etc ...


LecSuperIO.Inf  LecS65AcqDrv.inf   LecI2C.Inf        for the acquisition section / LeCroy SuperIO Device / Data Acqusitions / LeCroy I2C Controller Device


others for the other parts

it should work ?  the reg file  help to place the AcqDevClassInstaller.dll    file

Benj38    instructions should work fine,  it's well written,  unless some weirdness ??

and yes they are somewhat strange,   they don't work like usuals  vid pid drivers,  they work differently ...
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