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Products => Test Equipment => Topic started by: cliffyk on November 25, 2019, 02:58:14 pm
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Well I am always a sucker for a deal, we'll see (though I have not had a lot of luck buying from China recently):
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/NarooteJDS3022E.jpg)
Search Amazon for "Naroote Oscilloscope"--Many. many "too good to be true offers"--We'll See???
$20.00 is what I spend on a slow night at the local watering hole with my biker buddies...
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Thanks for the tip. Would have given it a try at that price even if I neither need it nor like it nor buy on Amazon.
Naroote won't ship to France, problem solved !
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Found it on Amazon.de for 15,39 Euro.
Supposedly one left in Stock when I ordered it. Let's see...
EDIT: Talk about impulse buy >:D It was not the JDS2032E, but the 3034, 4 Channel 30 MHz, no Signalgenerator
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Thanks for the tip I just bought one, Jinhan JDS3022E.
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Yeah, the one listed here said "only 1 in stock as well", however I did get an order confirmation from Amazon--if this is a scam I will be all over Amazon like "flies on $#it"...
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Found the JDS3022E rebranded by "Rosvola" on Amazon US for $18.49 with a $30.00 off coupon.. :o
(https://i.imgur.com/KQ6xiwq.jpg)
I "bought" that one and one from Naroote. One for the garage and one to drag around on jobs. Worst case scenario they never show up and I get a refund from Amazon. :-//
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I got one for free with a $30 off coupon.
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Found a couple of JDS3034E sellers with one left in stock each that will ship to France.
Second thought is that this is just a trick to borrow plenty of money.
If it looks too good to be true...
I'll wait and see how many of you actually receive theirs.
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Just ordered ANOTHER free one this time a Rosvola DSO1102E Same spec as the other two. I.e. the same as JDS2032E. This time another free one $20.19 with a $40 off coupon, is $0.00.
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If anyone is still looking to give this a shot, I found:
PBZYDU JDS3022E for $20.19 + $9.99 USD with a $25.00 off coupon on Amazon US
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Amazon (US) still says "Only 1 left in stock - order soon.", I wonder which one of us might eventually get "it" :-DD
Amazon ad. (https://www.amazon.com/Naroote-Handheld-Oscilloscope-Generator-AC110-220V/dp/B07Y8NGBYF/ref=sr_1_89?keywords=naroote+oscilloscope&qid=1574692758&sr=8-89)
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If anyone is still looking to give this a shot, I found:
PBZYDU JDS3022E for $20.19 + $9.99 USD with a $25.00 off coupon on Amazon US
"Only 1 left in stock - order soon." on that one as well--gotta be some sort of scam--guess I can't have any beer this afternoon...
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The two specific ones that I ordered are no longer showing up on the PC or on my phone.
Not sure how they could be intending to borrow money when you can almost certainly find a free one if you keep searching the various model numbers. Many of them seem to typically be priced north of 200 USD, so the $30 and $40 off coupons are typical but seem to be matched with products by their model number in complete disregard of their pricing from various vendors.
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This is the Aimo meter debacle again, isn't it?
"Rosvola"
This would translate to "place of bandits" in Finnish which is probably where this all is leading.
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There are a lot of questionable Naroote test equipment items for sale on Amazon. I found among other things a 200 Mhz waveform generator for $48.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XZG46Y1/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XZG46Y1/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Oh yeah, forgot to mention the $60 coupon! ;D Total cost $0.00. Yeah, I ordered one but I'm not holding my breath over actually getting it.
I'll do a 'full review' on it when it arrives. :-DD
- George
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This is the Aimo meter debacle again, isn't it?
"Rosvola"
This would translate to "place of bandits" in Finnish which is probably where this all is leading.
Maybe it is a scam but since it's on Amazon and I can easily get a refund (if I had actually paid for it) and wont get screwed around in the process I'm willing to take the jump. I passed on the process calibrator because I actively avoid aliexpress.
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There are a lot of questionable Naroote test equipment items for sale on Amazon. I found among other things a 200 Mhz waveform generator for $48.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XZG46Y1/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XZG46Y1/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Oh yeah, forgot to mention the $60 coupon! ;D Total cost $0.00. Yeah, I ordered one but I'm not holding my breath over actually getting it.
I'll do a 'full review' on it when it arrives. :-DD
- George
It comes out at $50 to the UK but there are no sellers willing to send it to the UK :--
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"Only 1 left in stock - order soon." on that one as well--gotta be some sort of scam--guess I can't have any beer this afternoon...
The "1 left in stock" should be the same for all those vendors that you all have been referring to! :-DD
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This is the Aimo meter debacle again, isn't it?
"Rosvola"
This would translate to "place of bandits" in Finnish which is probably where this all is leading.
Maybe it is a scam but since it's on Amazon and I can easily get a refund (if I had actually paid for it) and wont get screwed around in the process I'm willing to take the jump. I passed on the process calibrator because I actively avoid aliexpress.
Amazon only offers there very fine return/refund policy on items "Sold by" an/or "Fulfilled by" Amazon or if sold under he Amazon Prime terms; if sold and fulfilled by the primary ("Third Party") vendor you are stuck with dealing with them. I do not generally buy anything from Amazon that is not ""Sold By" or "Fulfilled by Amazon"--very rarely buy anything not part of the Prime program...
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/NarooteJDS3022E-Highlight.jpg)
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/3rdPartyReturns.jpg)
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Ah, good call, ClifffyK.
I almost always only buy things that are prime or are from tool outlets like CPO and I typically only buy high end products from reputable brands, so never had to deal with the Third-party return aspects of Amazon. Aside from Amazon prime returns, I've only had to deal with manufacturer warranties from companies such as Porter Cable or DeWalt.
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I've settled in on not worrying about it--either i get it and it was an incredible deal, or I don't. I already have eight oscilloscopes (SWMBO calls them "line machines") and do not really need a ninth--think I'll ride into town and toss a few back with my buddies...
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I now have three on order including two of them for $0.00.
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This bandwagon was too good to pass on; I ordered the following:
DSO4042C for $55 minus 6% coupon and a 40 amp AC / DC amp clamp for$5.79
I didn't see any $60 off coupons, however
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Now I wonder, may that be a way to just collect addresses?
I mean, the seller will at least get your physical address, and likely your eMail as well. What about phone numbers? Amazon does not know mine, but if it does, will that also be sent to the seller for eventual clarification?
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Thanks for the tip. Would have given it a try at that price even if I neither need it nor like it nor buy on Amazon.
Naroote won't ship to France, problem solved !
IMHO if you neither need it nor like it then it's not a deal even if it's free. I already have enough junk to keep sorted without buying more just because it's cheap.
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I ordered 4 of these earlier. Never thought it was a scam. Yikes!
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From the other thread: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/suspicious-cheap-scopes-spotted-on-amazon/new/#new (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/suspicious-cheap-scopes-spotted-on-amazon/new/#new)
Rosvola sent me a fake tracking number, refunded when I called them out on it.
A few users were able to get cheap Hantek scopes though, so probably if the discount is not too high, there is a chance of getting something.
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As I have stated more than once; "We'll see...". SWMBO says I will have to give up at least one night of drinking with the guys if we do get ripped off...
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I dont know this brand either, but these scopes seem to be Jinhan Brand. See attached link:
https://www.amazon.com/JDS3022A-Handheld-Oscilloscope-Multimeter-Generator/dp/B07Q44T49D (https://www.amazon.com/JDS3022A-Handheld-Oscilloscope-Multimeter-Generator/dp/B07Q44T49D)
Looks similar. For $20.00, I can make a great Secret Santa at work!
Rich
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I dont know this brand either, but these scopes seem to be Jinhan Brand. See attached link:
https://www.amazon.com/JDS3022A-Handheld-Oscilloscope-Multimeter-Generator/dp/B07Q44T49D (https://www.amazon.com/JDS3022A-Handheld-Oscilloscope-Multimeter-Generator/dp/B07Q44T49D)
Looks similar. For $20.00, I can make a great Secret Santa at work!
Rich
"Only 1 left in stock'; better jump on it...
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"Only 1 left in stock'; better jump on it...
Apparently I have four of these coming. I think I am good for now. Would be curious to open it though.
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"Only 1 left in stock'; better jump on it...
After reading this thread earlier in the day, I started playing around a bit with amazon searches. I incorporated some of the same sellers from the other hantek and micsig scope thread and also looked for others offering the same sort of prices. I had suspected after Dave's process meter video, that many of the sellers he'd linked were using some sort of shared inventory system. I came to this thread late and could see that most of these items were listed as only one item left for many different items at obviously too cheap prices. They never seemed to disappear. I started hunting for other items that may be common across the different stores and found other things listed again too cheap, but had probably gone largely unnoticed by forum members. The items that were of interest to me were the ones that were also being sold and fulfilled by different sellers, but the number in stock (>1) were always the same between all sellers. I don't know that this means they are all the same sellers, but it is interesting. While prices and number in stock are the same, the coupons are not. The whole thing feels like an automated mistake to me. Some may get something while others play the refund/review game.
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Yep look like a crazy bot selling stuff on amazon. I always thought sellers were using bot to fix the price on amazon. Was funny finding a kids blanket for 2k$.
I think the system is keeping low inventory to relist the item at a different price once some of them are sold.
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Yep look like a crazy bot selling stuff on amazon. I always thought sellers were using bot to fix the price on amazon. Was funny finding a kids blanket for 2k$.
I think the system is keeping low inventory to relist the item at a different price once some of them are sold.
The ridiculous high price trick is well known. It saves them re-listing fees, but the multiple same / non-existent product is a mystery. Maybe they get points for #hits, and get pushed up the visibility / trust scale. Plus, putting 100s more ads / searches out there, gives them a better chance of attracting buyers ?
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Well, I won't know until someplace between December 17 and January 9. I am not holding my breath.
What if it's some sort of shipping insurance scam; they get a legitimate record of an order from me, somehow ship it (or claim to have shipped it), give me a bogus tracking number and when I don't get it they give me back my US$ 18.49 and file a shipping insurance claim for $400 to $500 (which is about 27 billion Yuan).
There's got to be more to it than just screwing a handful of people out of $20. The listing for the unit I ordered earlier today for $18.49 was shown briefly on Amazon as "not available", but now shows as "only 1 left in stock" at US$283.23?
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/NarooteJDS3022ENow.jpg)
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This is interesting, the listing in "MyOrders" on Amazon has a "Problem with Order" button I have not seen before
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/NarooteJDS3022E-4.jpg)
Pressing it comes up with a bulleted list form for me to select what my problem with the order might be?
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/NarooteJDS3022E-5.jpg)
I do not remember ever seeing this before...
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Just received the following message in my inbox:
“You have received a message from the Amazon Seller - qiters
Order ID: 112-5752150-9434642
Count Product Name and ASIN
1 product image Digital Oscilloscope, JDS3022E Handheld 2CH Oscilloscope 50MHz 500MSa/S Signal Generator AC110-220V(US Plug)
ASIN: B07ZFWRWCR
Dear customer,
thanks for your kind message.
I've received a message from warehouse colleague that the rest of stocks are in not good condition,
so we cannot send it to you,it would be not good for you.
In this case,we help you cancel it and refund you to solve this issue,
is that ok for you?
waiting for your kindly reply.
Best regards.”
Looks like a bait and switch.
Rich
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I have been expecting something like that, I will "call their bluff" and tell them ,l send me the POS--WTF for $20...
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I have been expecting something like that, I will "call their bluff" and tell them ,l send me the POS--WTF for $20...
That is what I just did.
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Well, interesting news. The one I ordered (free after coupon discount) has been marked as shipped via China Post! It will be some time until I get it I expect. I'm on the east coast of the US. I'm wondering what kind of electronic dung I'm going to find when I open the package. :-BROKE
- George
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Two of my orders are marked "shipped" as well. One is with a tracking number beginning with "YT" with carrier "YunExpress" originating at Shenzhen Guangdong and the other has a tracking number beginning with "LW" with carrier China Post, for which I am not getting an origin location. Oddly enough, both of these are from the same seller - Rosvola. Both of them were free after discount.
The one ordered from Naroote has yet to ship.
Apparently you can decode the tracking number to at least determine the size of the package, but I haven't sorted that out yet.
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Just received this from the second vendor I purchased from on Amazon:
“You have received a message from the Amazon Seller - Wusmer
Order ID: 112-5523459-8605067
Count Product Name and ASIN
1 product image Wocume JDS3022E Handheld 2CH Digital Oscilloscope 50MHz 500MSa/S Signal Generator AC110-220V(US Plug)
ASIN: B07YYHJ37J
Dear customer
Sorry to bother you.
I have received the news from our product department,
all of this products you have bought is out of stock at this moment since it sells quickly.
Hope you could kindly understand it.
So to protect your profit, I advise to issue you full refund here,
you can buy it again from others.
is this fine?
May I know if you agree?
Waiting for your early reply.
have a good day
Best wishes“
Two strikes for me. Let’s see what the remaining two vendors have to say. Based on this email, I am beginning to wonder if these are not all the same people.
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Upon further investigation, the package from Rosvola that was shipped via YunExpress is stated as weighing 0.068kg. :--
There's absolutely no way that the correct item would weigh in at 0.068kg. I assume that the correct item would weigh close to 1kg packaged.
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I wonder if this type of scam is used to get a product onto the "best sellers" list before they boost the price and begin selling the actual product for a significantly higher price. Doing so, they would be generating a false sense of value for the item and thus generate significant profits on an otherwise cheap piece of crap.
If you look at the top 50 "lab oscilloscopes" on Amazon, there's 3 of these same "JDS3022x" handhelds, 6 items from Rosvola, and 2 from Naroote. All were listed with incredibly low prices, all are currently unavailable, and I presume stock will be added shortly and prices will jump into the $200-$400 range.
Does anyone actually own one of these "JinHuan" brand/rebrand handheld oscilloscopes? Has anyone ever physically seen one?
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Upon further investigation, the package from Rosvola that was shipped via YunExpress is stated as weighing 0.068kg. :--
There's absolutely no way that the correct item would weigh in at 0.068kg, which is about 4.2 grams. I assume that the correct item would weigh close to 1kg packaged.
As I understand the metric system there is no way the 0.068 kg could equal 4.2 anything--it's 68 g about 2.4 oz. to we Yanks.
FWIW Alibaba says the JDS3022E package weighs 1.372 kg
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Looks like a bait and switch.
Rich
Bait and switch to what exactly? Clearly some kind of price/inventory error and they want to cancel the order.
I wonder if this type of scam is used to get a product onto the "best sellers" list before they boost the price and begin selling the actual product for a significantly higher price. Doing so, they would be generating a false sense of value for the item and thus generate significant profits on an otherwise cheap piece of crap.
Good theory.
Although some of these items have sat for over a month without being noticed.
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I have two tracking numbers today for the scopes I ordered from Rosvola. One of them is being sent to Gastonia NC 28054 and the other to Helotes TX 78023 neither of which is my address. Having said that sometimes I receive purchases by US Mail that were sent from China, so they must be sent from China to a shipping agent in the US who mails the to me. At the very least this breaks the chain of custody on the merchandise. I got a message from Aliexpress today that a different item shipped by DHL, was sent to Houston, TX and signed for by Lucy today, I immediately sent a message to the seller. This invites all sorts of mischief including packages being used for smuggling, or pilfering items from the shipment once they arrive in the US. Or maybe orders are just sent en masse to a US distributor first who then ships them to the actual customer.
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Or maybe orders are just sent en masse to a US distributor first who then ships them to the actual customer.
That is more likely than any weird conspiracy theory.
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China Post just transfers the mailing to USPS who completes the delivery--sort of a mutual aid agreement (with some payment involved I'm sure). All nation postal services have such cooperative agreements.
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Looks like a bait and switch.
Rich
Bait and switch to what exactly? Clearly some kind of price/inventory error and they want to cancel the order.
I wonder if this type of scam is used to get a product onto the "best sellers" list before they boost the price and begin selling the actual product for a significantly higher price. Doing so, they would be generating a false sense of value for the item and thus generate significant profits on an otherwise cheap piece of crap.
Good theory.
Although some of these items have sat for over a month without being noticed.
If you read the other post’s you would see that they want me to buy the item from someone else. I have ordered this item from four vendors, and all vendors are now not wanting to ship the item due to some excuse or another. All but one of them have said I can buy it from another vendor. To me that is a classic bait and switch scam.
I believe the four different vendors are in fact the same person.
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I'm still leaning toward the only scammers being us :-DD C'mon we're all buying stuff at obviously too good to be true prices here. I think the weird messages and shipping are likely just humans that caught an automated error and are trying not to lose their shirts or end up with bad reviews. I thought the same with the process meter frenzy and the same with the last hantek/micsig steals. Some people actually receive the deal while others waste a bunch of their time and the sellers time trying to fight it. Good luck to everybody and hopefully you all get something, but I can't see being upset or throwing around the the word scam if you end up with nothing but your money back.
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I'm still leaning toward the only scammers being us :-DD C'mon we're all buying stuff at obviously too good to be true prices here. I think the weird messages and shipping are likely just humans that caught an automated error and are trying not to lose their shirts or end up with bad reviews. I thought the same with the process meter frenzy and the same with the last hantek/micsig steals. Some people actually receive the deal while others waste a bunch of their time and the sellers time trying to fight it. Good luck to everybody and hopefully you all get something, but I can't see being upset or throwing around the the word scam if you end up with nothing but your money back.
Agreed, I thought the price was in fact too good to be true. I have taken all four vendors up on their offer's to refund. I was kind of hoping at least one would have shipped. I am not too upset, as we are talking very minimum money for four 50MHz scopes. What I am a bit annoyed about is it appears as though who or whatever this vendor is, is now trying to send me over to the "others" who are selling the scope at over $200.00.
I sent the refund request out this morning, so lets see if they hold true to their word.
Rich
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As of a few moments ago, all vendors have refunded my money. All the remaining scopes are now at >$200.00. I would be curious to hear what happens with those who shipments are actually on their way.
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Two of mine already shipped. The other one disappeared from my orders and showed up as “customer cancelled” which is a lie, but that was the only one for which I was charged money. The other two are already shipped to me. By the way the ones that have shipped to me are of two different types: The regular 50 Mhz scope, and another one that is a combination 50 MHz scope plus a multimeter. The seller who fraudulently cancelled my order, I am going to contact Amazon. A buyer can only cancel a third-party order within 30 minutes of cancelling it, and this a day later.
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Hello friends. Here is the scoop. I went onto Amazon customer chat and said an order had been incorrectly listed as cancelled by customer but I did not cancel. I want to reinstate that order. Amazon said it was cancelled because no stock available. I gave him a link to same item as my cancelled one, for $310. Guy said well that is a costly item and it says only one left. Costly yes, but are sellers allowed to cancel already purchased items a day after the sale and relist customers’ already purchased merchandise for 10-20X the price? He answered, if it is a pricing mistake on the website then yes the seller is allowed to cancel after Amazon notices the mistake. I said, well what about other orders not this one, where they have already been shipped? Answer: Once shipped, the seller can no longer cancel an order. I said I have two other orders like that, already shipped. That’s great, he said. They already shipped. It means they already shipped me the two oscilloscopes.
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Well, *something* was shipped. According to the tracking with a bit over 1kg as weight.
Already a discrepancy in regards to the weight listed on the article, which says 1.47 kg. :-//
Lets see what arrives...
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Here's what I got at 6:26 this morning:
You have received a message from the Amazon Seller - Naroote
Dear customer
Sorry to bother you.
I have received the news from our product department,
all of this products you have bought is out of stock at this moment since it sells quickly.
Hope you could kindly understand it.
if you have receive the notification that your parcel has been shipped out,it is a system mistake.we have not shipped it out.
So to protect your profit, I advise to issue you full refund here,
you can buy it again from others.
we can send you a small item as a compensation for the invenience.
is this fine?
May I know if you agree?
Waiting for your early reply.
Best wishes
[emphasis added]
I responded:
Gentlemen,
I would prefer to wait until this item is in stock and can be shipped--please do NOT cancel my order, or issue a refund.
Thank you,
-cliff knight
See what they say...
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If you have received a shipment notification from Amazon the seller cannot cancel the order. See above. Seller is bluffing you. You are not obligated to respond to seller but you might want to bring seller’s message to Amazon’s attention. I would contact Amazon and say you suspect mail fraud might be happening. The Amazon A-z Guarantee which applies to Amazon Marketplace too is if the item is listed as shipped to you, and the final delivery date is passed and you did not receive what you ordered, in good working condition, you are entitled to have it replaced with the exact same item you ordered, at the price you already paid, with free shipping to you of a an identical replacement item. Seller cannot fail to deliver and say it was lost in shipping either: the shipper is the seller’s agent not your agent. Seller must provide a replacement.
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Almost exactly the same scenario as this happened to me the other week- an AN 8009 showed up on eBay for $15, I figured why not try it at that price, so I ordered two. Next day I get almost an identical message that the product was out of stock, offering a refund.
I ask to wait for it to come back in stock, and not to cancel the order. They cancelled the order, claiming to eBay that the buyer had requested it.
Based on the fact that this same tactic appeared on two different sites and two different products, it makes sense to me that the intention is gaming the best selling ratings.
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If you have received a shipment notification from Amazon the seller cannot cancel the order. See above. Seller is bluffing you. You are not obligated to respond to seller but you might want to bring seller’s message to Amazon’s attention. I would contact Amazon and say you suspect mail fraud might be happening. The Amazon A-z Guarantee which applies to Amazon Marketplace too is if the item is listed as shipped to you, and the final delivery date is passed and you did not receive what you ordered, in good working condition, you are entitled to have it replaced with the exact same item you ordered, at the price you already paid, with free shipping to you of a an identical replacement item. Seller cannot fail to deliver and say it was lost in shipping either: the shipper is the seller’s agent not your agent. Seller must provide a replacement.
In my case I had not yet received any shipping notification...
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As a follow up, I got a message stating my Amazon order was cancelled because the warehouse was 'out of stock'.
No surprise there. :--
-George
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I searched but couldn't find it.
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This gets "curiouser and curiouser"; I just got a shipping notice from Naroote, it's a China Post "LWnnn..." tracking number.
Supposedly arriving Dec 17 to Jan 9 'twill be interesting to see what they ship?
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FYI, you can get detailed China Post tracking using www.packages24.com (http://www.packages24.com).
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You get more details with 17track.net (http://17track.net)
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I ordered one of the Rosvola units with the $30 coupon on the 25th, so it did not cost me anything.
Amazon said it shipped on the 27th. Have not received any emails.....YET.
Guess they will either send something or I should expect a cancellation email soon. :)
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One of mine was processed today by the USPS customs facility in Chicago, IL. It is the JDS3022E.
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Don't get your hope too high. One of mine was delivered today. The status is "Delivered to mailroom". Now, if only I could find the mailroom :-DD
Was a fake (someone else ?) tracking number. They got the city right thought, that was quite convincing.
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One of mine was processed today by the USPS customs facility in Chicago, IL. It is the JDS3022E.
Please update us as to what came in. Like I said in an earlier post, all four vendors have refunded my money after proclaiming to have one problem or another. I am curious to know if this is for real or not. I really hope some of the people who ordered do in fact get them, as that is a really awesome deal.
Rich
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One of mine was processed today by the USPS customs facility in Chicago, IL. It is the JDS3022E.
Please update us as to what came in. Like I said in an earlier post, all four vendors have refunded my money after proclaiming to have one problem or another. I am curious to know if this is for real or not. I really hope some of the people who ordered do in fact get them, as that is a really awesome deal.
Rich
^^^Yes, please..
My package (LW216112402CN) left China at 01:05 on 11.29 [their time], however USPS has not yet acknowledged receipt.
The vendor, Naroote (wish I never heard that name; I'm the one that started this B.S.), has been pestering the crap out of me asking that I cancel the order--I have not yet responded.
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I suspect your package (and the two that I ordered that got shipping confirmation on) are on a ship somewhere on the Pacific Ocean. Both of mine went through the Chinese city of Ningbo, which I discovered is a port city on the edge of the Pacific.
Therefore no more tracking info until that ship gets to the US and the cargo goes through customs. Could be a while.
- George
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^^^Yes, please..
My package (LW216112402CN) left China at 01:05 on 11.29 [their time], however USPS has not yet acknowledged receipt.
The vendor, Naroote (wish I never heard that name; I'm the one that started this B.S.), has been pestering the crap out of me asking that I cancel the order--I have not yet responded.
The reason they would want you to cancel is if they have not shipped anything.
But still interesting to see what happens the more you delay.
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Recommended tracking systems (FWTW) inicate it was delivered to air transport:
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/ChinkScopeTracking-03.jpg)
Once again, time will tell..
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^^^Yes, please..
My package (LW216112402CN) left China at 01:05 on 11.29 [their time], however USPS has not yet acknowledged receipt.
The vendor, Naroote (wish I never heard that name; I'm the one that started this B.S.), has been pestering the crap out of me asking that I cancel the order--I have not yet responded.
The reason they would want you to cancel is if they have not shipped anything.
But still interesting to see what happens the more you delay.
Surprise for them; as Adlai Stevenson told Russian ambassador Zorin in '62--"I am prepared to wait for an answer until Hell freezes over..."
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This has been happening a lot lately. There is no way so many sellers all of a sudden make the same "mistake". This is clearly intentional. Probably some way to mess with ratings or search results.
This has been also happening on AliExpress, eBay and apparently now Amazon. Someone figured out a way to benefit from this.
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This has been happening a lot lately. There is no way so many sellers all of a sudden make the same "mistake". This is clearly intentional. Probably some way to mess with ratings or search results.
This has been also happening on AliExpress, eBay and apparently now Amazon. Someone figured out a way to benefit from this.
I agree, there has to be some benefit to these sleaze-ball vendors that we haven't latched onto--yet.
I no longer deal with AliExpress after I ordered a DSO 2031 (30 MHz, 200 MSps) and was shipped, received 6 week later, a DSO2050 (5MHz, 20 MSPs, one of which I already had).
THey show no record in my online account of the order number I received after the orer was accepted; and I have found there is no way to contact them, other than their silly "Eva" online helpbot. Ended up disputing the charge (a whopping US$36.10) with VISA, I have heard nothing from AliExpress in the 6 months since.
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My take on this is; they probably are expecting some of the people who made the purchase at such a low price to pay full price. I can’t prove this, but when three out of four separate vendors state in writing you can buy the same product somewhere else at >$200.00 a piece, my money is all of these vendors are one in the same.
I hope a few get these items, as I am now curious about them. Letting a few go for such a low cost is part of the calculus, as it seems they think one would spring for the jacked up price of the “other vendor” who is actually all the same person, or entity.
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The Amazon links to the original product have disappeared for both of mine.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZBDTFTT (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZBDTFTT)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZBDWV4S (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZBDWV4S)
They are open orders still on my Orders page but when you click through to the product it is a sad-looking dog and a product not found message.
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Mine as well, 'twas still there yesterday...
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I had another chat with Amazon and told them I suspect a tracking number not addressed to me and that the parcel might show up as delivered without me receiving it. I said the item disappeared from Amazon website and there seems to be a pattern of activity with this seller. I also said I want to complain against “Sold by Reminnber” who cancelled the order and said I cancelled it. My complaint is they told Amazon I cancelled it. Since it is not an order I cannot leave feedback about seller. Amazon are filing a complaint.
For my suspicion about tracking number Amazon sent email to Rosvola. The parcel is still in transit. Now if my EMS parcel arrives somewhere else not my address, Rosvola cannot later it was claim lost in shipment. If Rosvola replies oh that is just our US depot and we will remail merchandise to customer from there, fine. That increases my chance of getting it. If Rosvola replies no we checked, it was mailed to me, I wait. But then they cannot claim someone else in another state signed for delivery of it. Misdirecting parcels profits the seller. They might be using trickery to avoid tariffs like if customs questions it they have a bill of sale for $0.00 listing me as the buyer.
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Recommended tracking systems (FWTW) inicate it was delivered to air transport:
(http://www.paladinmicro.com/TestEquipment/ChinkScopeTracking-03.jpg)
Once again, time will tell..
Ah OK, well, hopefully it will be fairly quick.
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Eh? :wtf:
A bot gone wrong?
(https://i.imgur.com/gCPCzyp.png)
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Looked at all the pictures and can't find the Spectrum Analyzer function :-//
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/vendor-naroote-showed-up-on-amazon-$18-49-jds2032e/?action=dlattach;attach=884278;image)
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Looked at all the pictures and can't find the Spectrum Analyzer function :-//
May need to ask Dave to do a teardown !? solve the mystery
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My shipment from Naroote tracking# LW216114880CN has appeared today in Chicago USA. Amazon doesn't list the items anymore, just page not found with dog pictures like others have stated. There is a slight glimmer of hope that I may get what I ordered, but I'm keeping screenshots of tracking etc in case I have to make a case with Amazon.
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Mine says it was delivered to Caledonia, IL, which is far away from where it should have been shipped so I'm pretty sure I'm not going to end up with anything.
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This is mail fraud pure and simple. Your purchase is being diverted and that means United States mail is being diverted. To do so is a crime. I am planning to contact my local postmaster and file a mail fraud complaint with the postal inspector.
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Your package was not "diverted " :) it was never shipped pure and simple.
The tracking number you got was intended to someone else and it's tracking someone else package.
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I wonder if the scam is to obtain short term interest free loans from
customers suckers. :-//
It looks like a pretty good business plan if a small company needs capital to buy more merchandise and plan to pay back via refunds for the items they never intended to send assuming they will have funds in the near future from selling the goods they bought with the borrowed scammed funds. Labor to answer emails and delay making refunds as long as possible is cheap; and they don’t have to qualify for the loan(s). ::)
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Since my order was mis-delivered to another state (show up as Delivered on my orders) I contact Amazon again and Amazon sent email to Rosvola: customer reports merchandise not received, tracking number shows merchandise delivered to a different state; You are to create another order for replacement of the merchandise and respond back with new order number.
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I'm very interested to see what will happen. In my case the two orders I placed are tracking in California right now. USPS says they will be delivered tomorrow. However I'm on the east coast of the US. Makes me wonder where my 'packages' will end up.
- George
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My packages are still in transit going east from Chicago to Michigan but I'm nearer the west coast. However, from previous experiences with USPS, anything can and will happen to a shipment; the whole system is run by Murphy in strict accordance with Murphy's Law.
So I looked up Naroote on Amazon and there is nothing listed for sale on their storefront where a week ago there were hundreds of items. There are a few items with the name Naroote in the listing header, but they are being sold by other sketchy sounding vendors. I'm sure there is no hope for delivery of what I ordered, ever.
Has anyone actually received any bargain merchandise form Naroote?
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I am having the identical problem with AliExpress. I ordered something and it was shipped to New Mexico instead. I complained and they want me to wait a couple of months in case it shows up. I have pestered them several times and got no satisfaction. I will eventually get a refund I am sure but it would be nice to get what I ordered. I mean, like it's not big money (less than two dollars) yet it's a PITA.
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Somebody back a couple pages said they got a message:
"I've received a message from warehouse colleague that the rest of stocks are in not good condition,
so we cannot send it to you,it would be not good for you."
Which is along the same lines to the excuse one of the crooks gave in this video...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/confessions-of-a-nespresso-money-mule/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/confessions-of-a-nespresso-money-mule/)
Definitely worth a watch.
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Although I was (theoretically) buying a 'used' Fluke 289, the way y'alls' transactions have panned out is similar to my 'purchase'. I got a China post shipping number but the tracking status indicated that it never arrived at the Chinese Post Office. I eventually got my $300 back via PayPal but it took almost a month. The seller was SuperDeal85 and the thread with all the info is here (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-289-meter/msg2777042/#msg2777042).
There's definitely some seller-rating or other scam going on here. I wonder whether it's a scam that allows them to ship a package from China to the US that, ostensibly, is addressed to me but was redirected in some way to ship something illegal like Oxycontin or some other bad shit.
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That was me who posted this. I think I posted two of the four responses I got from the orders I placed for these. I also reviewed your link, and I am just shocked at the schemes people come up with. I was almost impressed with the thought that must have gone into the scam outlined in the YouTube video you linked.
I do not think it’s this type of scam. In my case all vendors refunded my money almost immediately, which does not seem to “jive” with the MO of the Nespresso Scam. Now if people report getting two or three scopes, maybe that would change my mind! :D
I did note there is a quantity of 97 JDS 30 MHz scopes on Bangood for a ridiculously low price, but nowhere as good as the Amazon pricing. I was not willing to plop my credit card down on Bangood to see if it was for real but I think its a variant of the scope offered on Amazon.
Rich
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For anyone who requested an Amazon A-Z refund, how long did it to take to get processed? Did you have to chat with Amazon?
Answering my own question:
1. For one order, the refund was processed in one day after I requested it on the Amazon website.
2. For another order, after I filed the claim, the seller changed the tracking number (!), and Amazon sent email saying "Your claim has been provisionally withdrawn".
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Hi All,
One of my two orders was delivered today to a town in California. I'm on the east coast of the US, so this package was 'mis-delivered' by about 3000 miles or so. :-- :--
No surprised after reading all the posts written so far. I'm considering letting Amazon know about it. But considering I paid $0.00 after a suspiciously generous coupon, I don't think I'll get much in the way of results.
My second order is still listed as going through a processing center in California, destination unknown.
- George
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Hi All,
One of my two orders was delivered today to a town in California. I'm on the east coast of the US, so this package was 'mis-delivered' by about 3000 miles or so. :-- :--
This seriously makes me wonder if the underlying point of this scam is to send drugs to the US, if they're intercepted, it would be a good way to deflect scrutiny and might look like we were involved. I would report to Amazon for that reason alone.
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I looked for it on Amazon.it and it is priced at 270.01 Euros.
I think it is another scam..
Please let us know if ,when and what you'll receive..
Best regards
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Hi All,
One of my two orders was delivered today to a town in California. I'm on the east coast of the US, so this package was 'mis-delivered' by about 3000 miles or so. :-- :--
This seriously makes me wonder if the underlying point of this scam is to send drugs to the US, if they're intercepted, it would be a good way to deflect scrutiny and might look like we were involved. I would report to Amazon for that reason alone.
I'm puzzled as to what sort of scam this may be. They posted at least dozens of fraudulent listings on Amazon. This alone would get Amazon mad at them for abusing their services. On top of that, Amazon records *everything*about their sales. This leaves clear documentation for Amazon and the buyer to use against the fraudulent seller. I'm guessing that the sellers, being in a foreign country, believe they have nothing to fear for their actions.
Also having valid tracking numbers makes it easy for the USPS Inspector General's office & FBI to find out what those packages really contained.
- George
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I did note there is a quantity of 97 JDS 30 MHz scopes on Bangood for a ridiculously low price, but nowhere as good as the Amazon pricing. I was not willing to plop my credit card down on Bangood to see if it was for real but I think its a variant of the scope offered on Amazon.
What's suspicious about that? These 'scopes are available from multiple vendors on Aliexpress and eBay for similar (or even cheaper) prices. If you really want a single channel 30MHz 200Ms/s scope for $69, Banggood take PayPal so there's no need to give them your credit card number.
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I had initially thought that these sellers were selling off the units with manufacturer defects for dirt cheap in order to get the items on the "hot items" lists, but as I continued to follow this thread I've began to think that there's something else going on with it.
I've called Amazon and explained the situation to the representative, and the representative is going to pass the information along and we will see what comes of it. My reasoning for doing so is to put a spotlight on the seller and these items to 1) attempt to pressure them to fulfill their end of the deal and 2) to safeguard my arse in case there is something illegal going on, such as smuggling.
I told the representative that if it's found that it is part of a scam, cancel the items and refund me, but otherwise wait and see if the items purchased are in fact received by the delivery deadline. If they're not received, I'll call in again and report them and get my refund for the one unit I actually paid $19.60 USD for.
For anyone that wants to do the same and call Amazon, their US phone number is 1 (888) 280-4331
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I went on my account on Amazon and found the only option under 'package not received' was to contact the seller. So I sent the seller a nicely worded message explaining that the item was mis-delivered and that I want a replacement item sent to my correct address. On the Amazon website there where no options to complain about this directly to Amazon.
Yes, I'm aware I can call Amazon directly about this. However, I want to see what kind of response I get from the seller, if any, first.
I can use that response in my complaint to Amazon if I feel it will help me.
- George
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I wonder if the scam is to obtain short term interest free loans from customers suckers. :-//
It looks like a pretty good business plan if a small company needs capital to buy more merchandise and plan to pay back via refunds for the items they never intended to send assuming they will have funds in the near future from selling the goods they bought with the borrowed scammed funds. Labor to answer emails and delay making refunds as long as possible is cheap; and they don’t have to qualify for the loan(s). ::)
I was thinking likewise, to someone as paranoid as I am it makes sense. I wouldn't expect 20$ DSO's be the ideal item to catch a lot of money on. not exactly the best product to trap the everyday consumer with.
Unless this is going on with a whole variety of niche products as a way to look less suspect to the selling website.
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I wonder if the scam is to obtain short term interest free loans from customers suckers. :-//
It looks like a pretty good business plan if a small company needs capital to buy more merchandise and plan to pay back via refunds for the items they never intended to send assuming they will have funds in the near future from selling the goods they bought with the borrowed scammed funds. Labor to answer emails and delay making refunds as long as possible is cheap; and they don’t have to qualify for the loan(s). ::)
I was thinking likewise, to someone as paranoid as I am it makes sense. I wouldn't expect 20$ DSO's be the ideal item to catch a lot of money on. not exactly the best product to trap the everyday consumer with.
Unless this is going on with a whole variety of niche products as a way to look less suspect to the selling website.
To me it really looks like a pricing error. I ordered something like 10 scopes and there were all quickly refunded. The shady part is that it looks like they are issuing fake (re-used) tracking number as soon as they close a sale.
Those seller on amazon don't really have anything in stock. They are mostly store front. When they sell something, they immediately order the item to a big warehouse. The warehouse dropship the item to the final customer.
So in this case, the store front decided to issue a fake tracking number as soon as they make a sale. even if the item was not shipped already. Then they order the item and normally it get really shipped. They probably do that so people can't ask to cancel the transaction or something. Maybe amazon is unlocking the funds if a tracking number is issued? You can see on their feedback some peoples mentioning that the item was shipped at the wrong address and received another tracking number (the real one) after complaining.
In most of our case the package was never shipped but the fake tracking number was automatically issued. They eventually realized the pricing error and started refunding peoples. on 10 tracking numbers, 100% were bogus. Since the warehouse is charging them way more than the selling price, I think the chance of them honoring the sale is almost null.
So other than automatically sending fake (re-used) tracking number I don't think there is anything else underneath. No drug trafficking and scam. You peoples have way too much imagination ^-^
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Now I’m thinking that Naroote pulled a last ditch effort to scam as much money as possible before disappearing.
There is no merchandise listed on the Amazon Naroote storefront: https://www.amazon.com/sp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=0&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=111-9684167-5673845&seller=AA3U1N3HAOFYS&tab=&vasStoreID= (https://www.amazon.com/sp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=0&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=111-9684167-5673845&seller=AA3U1N3HAOFYS&tab=&vasStoreID=)
Any hope of receiving any merchandise ordered from Naroote is rapidly approaching zero.
My package is currently tracked as in transit to destination clear across the country; obviously a tracking number for another order, probably from the same company with another name in China.
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I watched a video on another thread (I can't find it right now) about this scam called the triangular scam. You order something from eBay (or Amazon now maybe) and the person you buy from uses a stolen card number to purchase what you ordered from another seller and has it shipped to you; if you get the goods you ordered, you are happy - even if the shipping/tracking number seems all messed up. Because you're happy with the actual item you ordered you don't complain but you've effectively laundered the stolen money used to purchase the item you received. The seller charges a lower price perhaps than he paid but that's irrelevant to him because he stole the money to pay for your item.
Still think I have a wild imagination?:
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I watched a video on another thread (I can't find it right now) about this scam called the triangular scam. You order something from eBay (or Amazon now maybe) and the person you buy from uses a stolen card number to purchase what you ordered from another seller and has it shipped to you; if you get the goods you ordered, you are happy - even if the shipping/tracking number seems all messed up. Because you're happy with the actual item you ordered you don't complain but you've effectively laundered the stolen money used to purchase the item you received. The seller charges a lower price perhaps than he paid but that's irrelevant to him because he stole the money to pay for your item.
Still think I have a wild imagination?:
Well, please help me find the 10 scopes I ordered, they were delivered all over Canada ;D
Seriously, not the same scenario here.
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There is no merchandise listed on the Amazon Naroote storefront:
The Amazon representative did tell me that possible actions by Amazon include removal of the items in question from the site and/or removing the seller from Amazon. It's possible that Amazon already removed them due to prior complaints and investigations.
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You won't get anything. Rosvolo refunded mine. One was delivered to another state and refunded after I complained to Amazon, the other refunded while still in transit (also to a different state).
Just email what's below the line (verbatim no need to add anything else). I was told this is a very effective form letter. Just the name of seller, link to their Amazon storefront, and the brief message just as written/
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to: seller-performance@amazon.com
subject: Possible fraudulent sellers.
1. Rosvola
https://www.amazon.com/sp?seller=A3J8PNLY5POUM7 (https://www.amazon.com/sp?seller=A3J8PNLY5POUM7)
We believe above sellers are engaging in fraudulent activity. Please investigate.
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The video about the ebay triangulation scheme is a very different thing. The only real aspect in common here is that they have no stock of what they are selling and it will ship from whoever they purchase from. I suspect the reason for the fake tracking numbers is to avoid being penalized by amazon for not shipping fast enough. This buys them more time to get the customer to cancel the transaction without having to cancel it themselves, which would likely be another strike against them. Naroote storefront has nothing listed for sale on the US site, but is still up on amazon.ca and Narootec is listing many of these same items on amazon.co.uk. Narootec was in the "brand" column on the Naroote storefront when it was still up on the .com site and is still listed there on the .ca site. Amazon.com.mx also has a storefront named Naroote with the same business name as Narootec on the UK version.
UK site
Business Name:Wuhan zhui xuan tian da shu ju keji youxian gongsi
Trade Register Number:91420103MA4K3N1T5A
Business Address:
Jiang han qu min yi jie
ren hou li xiao qu ren xiang li 1hao Fdong 5ceng 1shi*
Wu han shi
Hu bei sheng
430000
CN
Mexico site
Commercial name: Wuhan zhui xuan tian da shu ju keji youxian gongsi
Direction:
Jiang Han Qu Min Yi Jie
ren hou li xiao qu ren xiang li 1hao Fdong 5ceng 1shi *
wuhanshi
Hu bei sheng
430000
CN
I don't know exactly what the Trade Register Number is, but it is not listed on the other versions of Amazon and would seem to be a unique business ID for companies registered in the UK. I am fairly sure that many other storefronts are the same people behind it or are many different individuals within the same area trying to run a similar business on Amazon. That "brands" column i mentioned earlier, most of those brands have their own storefronts as well. Some have similar or identical items listed. Several of them also had these obvious pricing errors/coupons at the same time as the original Naroote (now fixed) that kicked off this thread.
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The thing that makes it actual fraud is seller Rosvola give fake tracking number and then claims variously claims all of this
1. parcel was interrupted by 'security' and sent back to us
2. merchandise is out of production
3. We reordered a replacement unit from the warehouse after you complained about non-delivery, but the item contained hazardous materials so we asked our shipper to please destroy it
4. Parcel was sent back to us by Customs. (after delivered to a different state and marked as Delivered)
5. Due to a logistics problem in the system we assigned an incorrect tracking number to your order
etc., etc.
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The thing that makes it actual fraud is seller Rosvola give fake tracking number and then claims variously claims all of this
1. parcel was interrupted by 'security' and sent back to us
2. merchandise is out of production
3. We reordered a replacement unit from the warehouse after you complained about non-delivery, but the item contained hazardous materials so we asked our shipper to please destroy it
4. Parcel was sent back to us by Customs. (after delivered to a different state and marked as Delivered)
5. Due to a logistics problem in the system we assigned an incorrect tracking number to your order
etc., etc.
this is not fraud. They are trying to hide the fact that they casually distributing fake tracking numbers.
If everybody get refunded and the product is not shipped, who get frauded exactly ?
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The thing that makes it actual fraud is seller Rosvolo give fake tracking number and then claims variously claims all of this
1. parcel was interrupted by 'security' and sent back to us
2. merchandise is out of production
3. We reordered a replacement unit from the warehouse after you complained about non-delivery, but the item contained hazardous materials so we asked our shipper to please destroy it
4. Parcel was sent back to us by Customs. (after delivered to a different state and marked as Delivered)
5. Due to a logistics problem in the system we assigned an incorrect tracking number to your order
etc., etc.
Sure they're lying their asses off, but are you actually out anything? Did they actually gain anything? It's definitely a problem for Amazon to have 3rd party sellers that don't actually stock anything themselves, but I don't really see any crime here. The tracking numbers are real tracking numbers I'm sure of it. They just weren't tracking numbers for anything we ordered and were not destined for our addresses. They probably couldn't afford to purchase the items from their suppliers anyway after the last round of hantek/micsig deals/pricing errors. I wish I wasn't already broke from the holidays because it sure would be fun to try purchasing a few things at normal prices from these same sellers just to see what happens
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this is not fraud. They are trying to hide the fact that they casually distributing fake tracking numbers.
If everybody get refunded and the product is not shipped, who get frauded exactly ?
What is the upside for Naroote if they really make refunds to everyone that they have sent false tracking info and not merchandise?
The only thing that makes sense is the desperate grab for a very short interest free loan while pissing off Amazon for all the extra paperwork
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I personally am not out anything. Both items I ordered, which were different oscilloscopes, were listed in the $40-$50 price range, both listings has $60 coupons. Simple math is I didn't pay a cent for either one, so there is no monetary fraud. Just the fact that I was provided two fake (but valid) tracking numbers. And of course the disappointment that I'll never receive these items. :-DD I still wonder of what value the shipper gains in all of this. I mean even if they were shipping illegal goods, are they just using Amazon to legitimize their shipments? We probably will never know exactly.
- George
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What is the upside for Naroote if they really make refunds to everyone that they have sent false tracking info and not merchandise?
The only thing that makes sense is the desperate grab for a very short interest free loan while pissing off Amazon for all the extra paperwork
I still wonder of what value the shipper gains in all of this. I mean even if they were shipping illegal goods, are they just using Amazon to legitimize their shipments?
I don't think there is an upside for Naroote. Amazon is probably still holding the money anyway. I think they list a bunch of stuff they don't actually have, purchase it locally if someone buys it from their storefront, then have it forwarded to their Amazon buyer. In this case they had a massive automated pricing error, so couldn't afford to buy from their local supplier. They sent messages with various lies trying to get customers to cancel the orders because selling something they don't actually have any stock of is a no-no with Amazon. They then post tracking for real parcels that are real orders or just mail from other people to keep Amazon happy about shipping times. Continue with stories to try to convince their customer to cancel the order, trying to avoid strikes from Amazon for canceling the order themselves. They're likely just trying to keep the storefront alive and minimize negative reviews. I've seen on some of the other amazon sites positive seller reviews for their communication even though the order was canceled and the customer was refunded. They probably have to cancel and refund even regularly priced orders due to item availability from their sources. It's a risk they would have to take regularly if they don't actually keep any stock of items listed for sale. The whole thing seems like an overall loss for Naroote and other similar sellers. That's my current theory anyway. This will do damage to their feedback. This will have cost them time and some amount of labor. I'd like to know where they get the tracking numbers from.
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I did note there is a quantity of 97 JDS 30 MHz scopes on Bangood for a ridiculously low price, but nowhere as good as the Amazon pricing. I was not willing to plop my credit card down on Bangood to see if it was for real but I think its a variant of the scope offered on Amazon.
What's suspicious about that? These 'scopes are available from multiple vendors on Aliexpress and eBay for similar (or even cheaper) prices. If you really want a single channel 30MHz 200Ms/s scope for $69, Banggood take PayPal so there's no need to give them your credit card number.
Where did you read in my post that I said it was suspicious? :-//
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Gain for the seller?
Simple, not everybody asks for refunds... When you have a honeypot that attracts a big number of customers, in the end of the day, any unreclaimed amount is good.
The fact that some people get refunded, orders canceled, use free coupons, etc doesn't change the designation of the scheme which is "SCAM".
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I heard back from Mootea310 regarding my query as to why the tracking number for my AN8008 came up as non-existent. Here's the reply...
ANENG AN8008 16 in 1 LCD Digital Multimeter 9999 Counts Black AC/DC Voltage Ammeter Tester
ASIN: B07RQNPHZ8
Dear customer,
Here is the tracking number : LW225748280CN
Tracking website : https://t.17track.net/en#nums=LW225748280CN
rigin Post is Preparing Shipment -> We have received notice that the originating post is preparing to dispatch this mail piece.
The package is still in transit now.
it will arrive within amazon estimated delivery date.
could you wait for the item patiently please?
Please don't worry, if there's any problem of the package, we will offer you solutions.
Thank you.
Best regards.
This looks and smells like the triangular SCAM to me; I'll wait and see what arrives.
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Hi All,
I received a reply from the seller (Rosvola) last night. Here is the text...
*START MESSAGE*
Dear customer，
Sorry for the inconvenience.
The item has been shipped to the wrong address,
but it maybe a problem with the package when delivering and then caused this issue.
we have reflected this problem to our shipping courier to check it.
So to protect your profit, I suggest send you a product to make up for this error,
is this fine?
do you like the watchs in the attachment?
we can send it for you.
May I know if you agree?
Waiting for your early reply.
Best wishes
*END MESSAGE*
As you can see, the seller would like to send me a watch. No, not the oscilloscope I ordered, but a watch. :-DD :-DD And they sent pictures of two watches for me to choose from!
I think I'll decline their 'generous' offer and move on.
- George
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I've received the watch offer as well. Thinking I might accept it just to see if they actually send it. I didn't actually pay for anything so it's still a win. I'm trying to convince them to tell me the secret to their tracking number trick in exchange for positive feedback. :-DD
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Unrelated to this particular sale, I am wondering if anybody here has ever actually got an item (originally shipped to a wrong address from China to US) redelivered to the right address in US.
Whatever is behind this scheme, it seems to be a recurrent and increasing issue. I bought for years things on eBay and Amazon with no issues at all, and now I got caught in this scheme three times in about a month. With the eBay and Amazon purchases, getting a refund was easy - I simply opened a dispute and requested (then got) a refund as soon as I noticed the item delivered elsewhere in US. And I promised myself I'll never attempt to buy unrealistically cheap items from online vendors that ship from China. But now I'm facing a dilemma with my first AliExpress purchase, which was delivered in a different state as well (according to the tracking info). And it wasn't a ridiculously cheap priced item, only slightly cheaper than what other vendors were offering on AliExpress at the time (like $76 vs. $79 or so) - but still significantly cheaper than what was offered by sellers within US on Amazon or eBay (>$90). Is this what you get when you select the cheapest (and apparently reasonable) offer on Aliexpress? Should I open a dispute or wait, in light of the post above stating that some vendors issue unreal tracking numbers just to gain time to have the actual item shipped?
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I did note there is a quantity of 97 JDS 30 MHz scopes on Bangood for "but nowhere as good as the Amazon pricing. I was not willing to plop my credit card down on Bangood to see if it was for real but I think its a variant of the scope offered on Amazon.
What's suspicious about that? These 'scopes are available from multiple vendors on Aliexpress and eBay for similar (or even cheaper) prices. If you really want a single channel 30MHz 200Ms/s scope for $69, Banggood take PayPal so there's no need to give them your credit card number.
Where did you read in my post that I said it was suspicious? :-//
The bit where you said "a ridiculously low price". 70 bucks for a single channel 30MHz scope hardly seems "a ridiculously low price".
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Is this what you get when you select the cheapest (and apparently reasonable) offer on Aliexpress?
It seems totally random :-//
Should I open a dispute or wait, in light of the post above stating that some vendors issue unreal tracking numbers just to gain time to have the actual item shipped?
I have had the best results by waiting until the last delivery date before opening the dispute. Do not contact the seller, or they are likely to extend the date.
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It is fraud because as soon as an item is marked as shipped, Amazon releases the payment to the third party seller. Amazon only holds onto the cash until the seller 'ships' the item. Most people don't bother to check if the tracking number from the seller is going to them or not. By the time the packing is marked Delivered and you did not get it, the seller could be long gone with the cash. In that case Amazon is now on the hook to refund your money. Fraud has been committed against Amazon to make good on deal for the customer.
It is against Amazon policy to put a tracking number on an order, that is not addressed to the customer.
Sure a seller like 'Naroote' is kicked off of Amazon. Who knows how many fake orders Naroote took and pocketed the money?
Or a seller like Rosvola can refund the money so you cannot file an A to z Guarantee claim, lay low for a while and possibly avoid getting banned for now, and pull off an even bigger scam later.
There are probably a number of people who could say well screw Bezos he just deserves whatever he gets. It is still fraud though.
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Sure a seller like 'Naroote' is kicked off of Amazon. Who knows how many fake orders Naroote took and pocketed the money?
Naroote and Rosvola were trying to get me to cancel my order so they could refund me before they ever posted a tracking number or marked anything as shipped. Unlike us, I don't think they're trying to get something for nothing. I think they're only making a somewhat feeble attempt to stay in good standing with Amazon after a pretty major mistake. Some people actually did receive items from Rosvola last time.
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Well, the package/tracking #they gave me was delivered today--to Florence, MA; about 1300 miles North of here. I still do not understand what their scam was, but it WAS some sort of scam...
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The Naroote scams don’t seem to be much if any concern to Amazon; they are too busy trying to lure business away from fleaBay.
My tracking number showed something delivered across the country.
I tried to send an email to seller-performance@ebay.com per the post #110 by wnorcott with a short description of what transpired and how I thought Naroote was scamming; but I only received a computer generated email to the effect that I wasn’t an Amazon seller. There doesn’t seem to be an easy way to warn Amazon about scams; they prefer to get the seller to refund rather than have anybody look into scams; hiring people to look into fraud must cost more than they figure it is worth to them. The only party out anything if the seller refunds is the customer for any interest the funds may have accrued in the interim. For Amazon, the process is entirely automated and once set up, no human time is needed --- unless customers call and complain; but then the call goes to some poor underpaid person in a call center in India or the Philippines.
My easy (for me) option was to send a request to the seller to either send or refund and I know they won’t send what I ordered for the price I (already) paid. If I don’t hear back, I’ll call and try to waste some of Bezos’ money.
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Well, the package/tracking #they gave me was delivered today--to Florence, MA; about 1300 miles North of here. I still do not understand what their scam was, but it WAS some sort of scam...
The only possible scam I can see here is if for some reason Amazon/Ebay/AliExpress type services are transferring the money to the "seller" and then refund money comes from Amazon/Ebay/AliExpress to the purchaser with zero monetary or other consequences to the "seller". Doesn't seem that likely to me, but all are big enough operations that I could kinda see something dumb slipping thru like this. Problem is with all these $0 transactions after coupons and the same "sellers" trying to convince "purchasers" to cancel the orders. tv84 previously mentioned possible gain for the seller in that some buyers may not request a refund at all. The only problem is that they seem to initiate contact with the buyer to cancel/refund except in cases where they actually end up forwarding the item that was ordered. Such cases that someone neglects to request a refund would appear to be a simple buyer error on top of a previous seller error. Maybe I'm missing something.
I'm trying to reach out to the sellers that I dealt with, one of whom has not been mentioned yet in this thread and may very well be a scam. I'm more interested in how all of this works than actually receiving stuff that I didn't really pay for. Figure they've already violated various Amazon policies in their messages, so why not ask them straight the hell up how it works. Probably still more likely that I'll get something sent to me rather than a truthful explanation, but I'll try to keep everybody updated however it plays out.
For anybody that ordered more than one item from the same seller, do you have the option to leave seller feedback for each individual item even if you used the cart for checkout? Did you receive a single message from the seller for all items ordered or multiple identical messages for each purchase?
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Found another seller on amazon with crazy cheap oscilloscope (10$). So first I decided to look at the other offering he had on amazon. And like the others it was bunch of misc stuff. Price were a bit weird but not completely off. For example, everything was not at 10$ :)
Now I bought 2 scopes at 10$ each and I'm still waiting for them to be shipped.
- Just after my purchase, nothing happens really. It was still possible to buy the same product.
- Couple of hours later, the price went way up. Exceeding the real price.
- Again later. All oscilloscope from that seller were removed from amazon. Seller was still listing bunch of misc stuff.
- A day later, 1 oscilloscope listing came back but this time with a normal price (not 10$ anymore). Also, the prices of all the other items seem pretty well balanced now.
So right now, there is probably a poor little seller in china trying to source an 500$ oscilloscope for 10$. Can't wait until he realizes that it's not doable and I wonder what he will actually do.
So, like I said before, I think the whole thing is pricing errors. Those seller list so many different products that it's probably impossible to do that by hands. So, my guess is they are all using the same script / software to automate the process on amazon. And obviously there is some bugs in their application or configuration problems. This time the seller quickly realised the problem and quickly removed the listing and readjusted the price of everything else he was offering.
The question is now, will he send me a fake tracking number ? ^-^
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My shipment, per the tracking # they gave me, was delivered yesterday--to Florence, MA; some 1300 miles North of here...
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Found another seller on amazon with crazy cheap oscilloscope (10$). So first I decided to look at the other offering he had on amazon. And like the others it was bunch of misc stuff. Price were a bit weird but not completely off. For example, everything was not at 10$ :)
Now I bought 2 scopes at 10$ each and I'm still waiting for them to be shipped.
- Just after my purchase, nothing happens really. It was still possible to buy the same product.
- Couple of hours later, the price went way up. Exceeding the real price.
- Again later. All oscilloscope from that seller were removed from amazon. Seller was still listing bunch of misc stuff.
- A day later, 1 oscilloscope listing came back but this time with a normal price (not 10$ anymore). Also, the prices of all the other items seem pretty well balanced now.
So right now, there is probably a poor little seller in china trying to source an 500$ oscilloscope for 10$. Can't wait until he realizes that it's not doable and I wonder what he will actually do.
So, like I said before, I think the whole thing is pricing errors. Those seller list so many different products that it's probably impossible to do that by hands. So, my guess is they are all using the same script / software to automate the process on amazon. And obviously there is some bugs in their application or configuration problems. This time the seller quickly realised the problem and quickly removed the listing and readjusted the price of everything else he was offering.
The question is now, will he send me a fake tracking number ? ^-^
Received a message from the seller they want to cancel the order ^-^ Which is the right thing to do.
Dear buyer,
Thank you for your purchase from us.
Unfortunately, I have to inform you that we do not have the right logistics provider to send you.
We would like to offer you a refund.
What is your opinion?
Could you please send us an email with the topic Order Cancellation Request?
Please leave us a message. Otherwise, your order will be canceled in about 24 hours for technical reasons and of course you will get your original purchase value refunded.
I ask for your feedback and for further questions I am at your disposal.
Best Regards
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I just received a couple watches in the mail today :-DD Return address was to a "Jon" in Auburn, Alabama. Address is a gas station. USPS tracking number shows it was shipped by Newgistics. Still waiting on a refund from 1 other seller. Pretty damn funny to me that Rosvola was the only one that actually sent me something in the end. They appear to actually care about their reputation as a seller. Of the various sellers I ordered from, they were the only one that my total was $0 after the coupons were applied. Might call the gas station and inquire about "Jon" and how often they get packages returned >:D
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Wow, I wonder if that was at the booth next to where these mystery scopes were selling. I think the complexity of the movement of this fine timepiece exceeds the complexity of the scope design.
Rich