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Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« on: April 24, 2024, 02:28:41 am »
Hi,

I'm currently looking for a first oscilloscope. I found the Vevor SDS1104.

4 Channels, 100MHz 1GS/s at about $320, this seems like a decent deal? Obviously it seems to be a no-name brand, but spec wise, looks ok. I found this unboxing on YouTube (), and it looks ok at first glance.

There doesn't seem to be many proper reviews of this so wanted to know what you guys thought. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Purchase page: https://www.vevor.com.au/oscilloscopes-c_12405/vevor-digital-oscilloscope-1gs-s-sampling-rate-100mhz-bandwidth-portable-oscilloscope-with-4-channels-color-screen-30-automatic-measurement-functions-for-electronic-circuit-testing-diy-p_010228231720
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com.au/VEVOR-Oscilloscope-Bandwidth-Measurement-Electronic/dp/B0CP7Z1V56


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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2024, 05:27:31 am »
It looks exactly like the Owon SDS1104.
Max Record Length: 20K is a bit low these days.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2024, 05:44:42 am »
well, if you need 4CH:  go for the Siglent SDS1104 -- best bang for the buck   :-DD
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2024, 06:39:37 am »
well, if you need 4CH:  go for the Siglent SDS1104 -- best bang for the buck   :-DD
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 08:43:18 am »
It looks exactly like the Owon SDS1104.
Max Record Length: 20K is a bit low these days.

It does look exactly like the Owon model, probably rebadged.

How problematic is the max record length? I do plan on maybe using this to work on communication protocols like I2C, do you think this might be an issue?

I wasn't able to find many other competitive models in the 300-400 AUD price range. The other sigilent models being recommended here seem to be almost double the price of this.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2024, 09:05:30 am »
if you want i2c mainly, then a small logic analyzer around $20-30, with sigrok free software, will give you better interface, more memory.
no need for a scope to mainly look at i2c. and you need memory to store all i2c sequences before analysing.


this vevor user interface seems so old ... pretty sure you can only see one i2c sequence on the screen...
the last rigol or siglent 12 bits scopes may be a little more expensive, but you can do so much more with them...
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2024, 09:18:19 am »
It looks exactly like the Owon SDS1104.
Max Record Length: 20K is a bit low these days.

How problematic is the max record length?

It is stay away from it problematic.
It is horrible deal.
For the specs that scope should cost 100-150 USD.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2024, 09:28:46 am »
You get what you pay for and the 800X HD offers one hell of a lot, so much so it will take some time to outgrow it.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2024, 09:51:11 am »
well, if you need 4CH:  go for the Siglent SDS1104 -- best bang for the buck   :-DD
Was....Now SDS804X HD is.
I would normally agree but also anticipate some of the current Siglent SDS1104XE owners upgrading to the newer SDS800 series which should inturn increase the number of earlier scopes available in the second hand market.

If the price is right then a used SDS1104XE in good condition would still be worth serious consideration particularly for somebody on a budget. If the OP is not in a desperate rush for a scope then this would be my recommendation, cheaper than new and far superior to what they are currently considering.
 
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2024, 10:11:23 am »
Max Record Length: 20K is a bit low these days.
How problematic is the max record length?
I don't know if it's "problematic", some time ago even "good" brands had 2.5k, but there are better options today for little money.

Since I'm currently experimenting with something like this, I'll show you with my $130 Hantek.

In the first picture there is a 20KHz sine wave at 10us/div, with a 50ns pulse every second (1Hz).
If you trigger on the pulse, a thin line appears in the middle. But there is nothing else to say about how the pulse looks. (1st picture).

If you stop it there and zoom in it to 50ns by turning s/div, you will see a very rudimentary pulse with 4k (2nd image). It doesn't tell you much about the shape of the pulse.
But if you stop it with 8M (record length), you can see much better in the magnification what is going on with the pulse (3rd image).
The more record length, the more accurate the magnification. Just like the resolution of a digital photo.

That is one difference. The experts here can probably explain this better, as I am a beginner too.

Btw. This is for illustration purposes only and is not intended to be a recommendation for the Hantek. It does not have 4 channels.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2024, 11:33:22 am »
It looks exactly like the Owon SDS1104.
Max Record Length: 20K is a bit low these days.

How problematic is the max record length?

It is stay away from it problematic.
It is horrible deal.
For the specs that scope should cost 100-150 USD.

I keep seeing that for this price (~200 USD), you can get better scopes? Where can I find these? I'm in Australia, if that helps, and this is the best value scope I've been able to find so far with 4 channels?
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2024, 01:02:43 pm »
I do plan on maybe using this to work on communication protocols like I2C, do you think this might be an issue?

This Vevor doesn't do protocol decoding, right?

Why do you even think you need four channels?
With a tight budget, there aren't many options.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2024, 02:36:58 pm »
So my reason for wanting to work with I2C is for a single project, I don't need a protocol analyser on the scope, just want to be able to see the waveforms.

I'm well aware that logic analysers exist (and are much cheaper), but I'm looking for a scope because I want to buy a scope, not just for I2C, that's just a single project that I'm doing right now which is just my incentive for finally investing in a scope.

I would like 4 channels because I don't want to be in a situation where I want to probe more than 2 waveforms at once. I don't immediately need 4 channels for anything specific I have in mind, just think it would be good to have.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2024, 03:06:46 pm »
I would normally agree but also anticipate some of the current Siglent SDS1104XE owners upgrading to the newer SDS800 series which should inturn increase the number of earlier scopes available in the second hand market.

If the price is right then a used SDS1104XE in good condition would still be worth serious consideration particularly for somebody on a budget. If the OP is not in a desperate rush for a scope then this would be my recommendation, cheaper than new and far superior to what they are currently considering.

I don't know what the market looks like in Australia, but I have been watching various sites here in the US in hopes of finding a deal on a used Siglent SDS1104XE or Rigol1054DZ. So far, the only things I'm finding are people offering them, used, for prices HIGHER than what I can get them brand new from Amazon. :(
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2024, 03:10:54 pm »
If I´d buy my first personal scope today I´d also either take one of the current 12-Bit-models for little over €500 or e.g. an used Rigol 1054 instead of the Vevor.

The Rigol 1054 is anything but new nowadays, but anyhow it´s quite a solid instrument with *lots* of tutorials and experiences available in the internet. It has its flaws but for 99% of hobby scope applications its just good.

I do not know the Vevor personally, but so far all instruments I have seen of this price class had some serious drawbacks like low update rate, only few waveforms/s, no High-Res- or Peak2peak-mode, no good measurement implementation etc. Please correct me if my knowledge is outdated, but so far I didn't find these features for < €350 new. And from my point of view it´s one main reason to personally own a scope to learn using these features.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2024, 03:17:58 pm »
I keep seeing that for this price (~200 USD), you can get better scopes?

Well, in a nutshell, afaics for max. $200 there is really only the Vevor/Owon/Hanmatek and the Hantek DSO2C10 (benchtop scopes).
If you absolutely want 4 channels, the Vevor etc. is the only one.
The Hantek is better in most other specs and features. Not flawless, but better.

Personally, I see 4 channels as a luxury and wouldn't place much value on it on a small budget.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2024, 04:19:26 pm »
looking at SPI signals needs 4 channels... (in fact more than 2)
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2024, 05:28:14 pm »
I have the Hanmatek label 2 & 4 channel versions.  The best way to describe them is Tek 465 with some extra features such as stored waveform.  The FFT is great, but the labels are wrong.

The PCB shows it's an Owon SDS1104.  I plan to power mine with a LiPo pack.

They are no BS 140 MHz BW scopes which is an amazing.  The limited memory makes them a bit dubious for digital work, but for analog applications they're quite good.

I'm old enough to remember when all the computer techs carried 465s.  There were always 2 or 3 in the hall at the window where I dropped off punch card decks.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2024, 12:40:45 am »
It looked like a rebadged owon or hantek and from other reviews those do gives full advertised bandwidth. , It does have usb scpi and record capturing to the computer for analysis with labview. It does not have some of the nicer features ON the scope itself. I assume program some other functions and triggers via scpi I believe it is only an 8-bit adc so that might be more of a limit, then anything.

It is one sale for 150 bucks right now which is what a poster above said it was worth. but it is the only one in that price-range with bandwidth =and= sampling rates.  I think I am going to order one as my first scope. I have heard too many Weller vs Hakko soldering station debates, and fluke vs everyone else, and if  you are doing professional level work, I would recommend a higher end scope, soldering iron, etc.  but for a hobbyist, you can probably make this work for most things, and if you get to the level where it doesn't work, you are probably no longer a hobbyist and the budget will be slightly larger. :)

The hooks to external software are what is the most intriguing to me. I didn't look for SPI but labview will capture CANbus messaging so I assume it will capture SPI and i2c messages as well and it may require some elbow grease to get it to work right that is software built into other scopes.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2024, 04:14:07 am »
If the price is right then a used SDS1104XE in good condition would still be worth serious consideration particularly for somebody on a budget. If the OP is not in a desperate rush for a scope then this would be my recommendation, cheaper than new and far superior to what they are currently considering.

I just saw someone buy a second hand SDS1104XE for 540 bucks+postage on aus ebay, so prices are not going down that much. New one is still close to 700 on AppVision. I think the scope market is just too slow in Australia and some people don't know about 800X series. We are still yet to see 800Xs here. Everybody else has them for sale but not Australia (and our friends across the ditch). Perhaps wait until the end of financial year to get better deals.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2024, 04:23:27 am »
If the price is right then a used SDS1104XE in good condition would still be worth serious consideration particularly for somebody on a budget. If the OP is not in a desperate rush for a scope then this would be my recommendation, cheaper than new and far superior to what they are currently considering.

I just saw someone buy a second hand SDS1104XE for 540 bucks+postage on aus ebay, so prices are not going down that much. New one is still close to 700 on AppVision. I think the scope market is just too slow in Australia and some people don't know about 800X series. We are still yet to see 800Xs here. Everybody else has them for sale but not Australia (and our friends across the ditch). Perhaps wait until the end of financial year to get better deals.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2024, 04:31:39 am »
I don't know what the market looks like in Australia, but I have been watching various sites here in the US in hopes of finding a deal on a used Siglent SDS1104XE or Rigol1054DZ. So far, the only things I'm finding are people offering them, used, for prices HIGHER than what I can get them brand new from Amazon. :(

Very similar here in Aus. People ask ~90% price of a new device. I don't know who would buy a 5-10 year old scope with no warranty for that kind of money, not me.
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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2024, 01:44:40 pm »
I would normally agree but also anticipate some of the current Siglent SDS1104XE owners upgrading to the newer SDS800 series which should inturn increase the number of earlier scopes available in the second hand market.

If the price is right then a used SDS1104XE in good condition would still be worth serious consideration particularly for somebody on a budget. If the OP is not in a desperate rush for a scope then this would be my recommendation, cheaper than new and far superior to what they are currently considering.

I don't know what the market looks like in Australia, but I have been watching various sites here in the US in hopes of finding a deal on a used Siglent SDS1104XE or Rigol1054DZ. So far, the only things I'm finding are people offering them, used, for prices HIGHER than what I can get them brand new from Amazon. :(

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a late model lower end used DSO for sale that wasn't within $100 of a new one, not worth it IMO, especially on a common "beginner" model that's potentially seen who knows what ignorance induced abuse. And that's when you find them.
 

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Re: Vevor SDS1104 for first oscilloscope?
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2024, 05:29:11 pm »
Some Vevor items are well made , are an extremely very good value and perform very well . Other items are crudely made and  have multiple defects . Fortunately I used PayPal when ordering directly from their USA distributor recently . Even after I submitted a claim for an obviously  defective and unusable tool they made every possible effort to avoid a refund .

Purchasing it from Amazon with their excellent return policy is advised
 


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