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Where will Oscilloscopes and DMM's be in 10yrs ?
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Fungus:
I predict that Fluke will be making the exact same 87V.

(...and that every Fluke meter below it in price will have something important missing so you won't buy them)
balnazzar:
I am very unhappy about cheap (say, <2000$) scopes market.
It's all flawed stuff, and what spites me is that it seems it's intentionally flawed.

What do we have? Let's make a recap starting from 500$ up to 2000.

- the 1104x-e.
Great in terms of price/performance but it's a vacuum cleaner. It can house a fan of just 60mm, so you can't really improve the acoustical performance by installing a better one. Plus, you need to shell out other money to get the bode plots.

- the MSO5k.
The noise will eat you alive.

- the Micsigs
No statistics. I'm not gonna do paper calculations for such trivial stuff after having spent 600$ for the damn scope.

- The SDS2x+
Acoustically noisy all the same, and it starts crossing that line of price which makes you ask yourself if you should buy a western scope. So let's talk about them.

- The RTB2K
You are not going to buy it (4chs) with 2K$ and it has a horrid reflective screen, and it feels plasticky. Difficult to install a matte screen film because the screen is recessed.

- The Picos
Bad price/features ratio and the 4chs will not be available for a while.

- The KS 1204G.
1400 bucks for a 7" scope with many features missing? And the fan is noisy almost as the 1104's. No way.

So you start to think that you will save and buy a Tek 2 series. 4chs, just 70 MHz for 3000 bucks. Ok, I can live with that, after all you get a vesa mount, a big, bright sceen, a lot of features and it has the damn brand name on it, so that you can brag about owning it.
Then you discover it just got 10M memory depth. I'm not gonna spend 3 grands for a 10M scope.

So, there is no viable scope for a student/hobbyst.

switchabl:

--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 24, 2022, 10:54:32 am ---[...]

So, there is no viable scope for a student/hobbyst.

--- End quote ---

I am sorry, but this is getting comical. You do realize that not so long there might not have been a single "viable" scope on the market (silent, low noise FE, large screen, super deep memory, full set of analysis features and what not) at any price-point, right?

I realize you want something without a noisy fan and actually I sympathise. In a lab with a noisy aircon and other stuff running all the time, it might barely be noticable, but after-hours at home I agree that it can be quite annoying. But that is a niche requirement, so if you really cannot live with the fan at all, you'll probably just have to pay more and maybe give up statistics or make do with "only" 10M sample memory or learn to apply a screen protector or something.
pcprogrammer:
There is a bit of a point in the fan noise level being absurd. For just a little more money they could implement fan control and use fans that are less noisy.

It is being done in the computer industry. My PC's are not loud at all, because I invested in a quiet CPU cooler and fan less power supplies.
Fungus:

--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 24, 2022, 10:54:32 am ---- the Micsigs
No statistics. I'm not gonna do paper calculations for such trivial stuff after having spent 600$ for the damn scope.

--- End quote ---

Paper? You don't own a calculator?  :)

Do you know exactly how often you'll need those?
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