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Where will Oscilloscopes and DMM's be in 10yrs ?

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balnazzar:

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--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 25, 2022, 10:18:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on October 25, 2022, 07:51:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on October 25, 2022, 07:45:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 25, 2022, 05:43:01 pm ---1. One possibility is indeed having your scope attached to a vesa arm. Tek 2 or MXO4, as said, or just drill the holes by yourself.

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If only there were VESA-like arms with little shelves on them.

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Go on Amazon or Aliexpress. You'll find dozens.

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Indeed. But it's not the same thing.
A scope directly screwed to a vesa arm will be stable. On a shelf attached to a vesa arm, it won't.
That's probably why that RTB2000 user drilled his scope enclosure.

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No it's not but on a VESA arm with a shelf and zip tied down it ain't going anywhere.
Sure we can add the perfect fastening solution but the cost goes up when a simple fix will be perfectly adequate. Why make things harder than they need be ?  :-//

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Yes and no.

If you use zip ties you have to use quite a few of them to secure the scope, or it will wobble and recoil every time you press a button. It'll be ugly, but not only that. Since the zip ties will be plastic and the scope chassis plastic all the same, you got very low friction, and consequently you have to tighten the ties a lot. Not sure they'll not gnaw dents into the chassis as time passes. Then you have to bring the scope around every now and then. So, untie and tie back down. With the vesa holes, it's just 4 screws to unscrew.
 

nctnico:

--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 25, 2022, 10:27:27 pm ---But you got the point nonetheless: I have a very clear idea about what I'd like to see implemented, and no scope within typical hobbyst/student pocket's range truly delivers all the package.

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You are wrong here. There is no oscilloscope out there that is simply perfect. You'd need to spend tens of millions of $US dollars to have the perfect oscilloscope developed. Mere mortals end up buying several oscilloscopes; each suitable for a range of tasks. If you dig deeper you'll see that there is a surprising gap between the abilities of oscilloscopes. Like every manufacturer has it's own idea about what is really important.

balnazzar:

--- Quote from: nctnico on October 26, 2022, 12:14:35 am ---
--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 25, 2022, 10:27:27 pm ---But you got the point nonetheless: I have a very clear idea about what I'd like to see implemented, and no scope within typical hobbyst/student pocket's range truly delivers all the package.

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You are wrong here. There is no oscilloscope out there that is simply perfect. You'd need to spend tens of millions of $US dollars to have the perfect oscilloscope developed. Mere mortals end up buying several oscilloscopes; each suitable for a range of tasks. If you dig deeper you'll see that there is a surprising gap between the abilities of oscilloscopes. Like every manufacturer has it's own idea about what is really important.

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That's exactly what leaves me surprised. They could easily manufacture not the perfect oscilloscope, but almost, for each price range. Of course I cannot demand to buy a 10 GHz oscilloscope with my money. But.. I mean, a noisy fan maybe doesn't bother all the potential customers, but surely bothers some, while a silent fan will make everyone happy. Same for a matte screen. For a vesa mount. And those are all things that cost near to nothing.

Other stuff might be costly, you'd argue. For example, a clean, non-noisy front end. But as we have shown before, the Owon 1022i was able to see quite clearly a 2 mVpp signal that for the MSO5000 was just random noise, or close to.
And that's a scope going by 119 eur vat included. It requires, I don't know, 20$ to manufacture it?

My whole point here is that the end users seem to have that philosophy of being happy with what falls from the sky, no matter how flawed it is. "Falls" here is a figure of speech, since these products are not cheap.
If users were a bit more demanding, the manufacturers would adjust, as our friend from R&S honestly told us. More to the point, he told us that when a certain number of customers make the manufacturer aware of design flaws, they put some real effort into adressing them.

BillyO:

--- Quote from: Fungus on October 25, 2022, 07:45:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 25, 2022, 05:43:01 pm ---1. One possibility is indeed having your scope attached to a vesa arm. Tek 2 or MXO4, as said, or just drill the holes by yourself.

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If only there were VESA-like arms with little shelves on them.

Maybe somebody could invent one to save us from having to drill holes in our equipment.



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Mesa tink dat arm cos more dan mesa scope!  Mesa oberly sad. :-[

Fungus:

--- Quote from: BillyO on October 26, 2022, 03:16:59 am ---Mesa tink dat arm cos more dan mesa scope!  Mesa oberly sad. :-[

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The forum members advised me that it was a good investment. People should always buy the best arm possible, just in case they might need it one day.

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