I recommend choosing a combo oscilloscope

[ogden]

If space is a problem get a compact Rigol and for that sort of budget area look for RF gear like spectrum analyzers on the used market.

Did he say he wanted RF frequencies?  Not so many people work in RF.

Naming FFT function of 7bit ENOB scope as spectrum analyzer is blasphemy. Thus confusion between those who know what real spectrum analyzer is and those who don't. We better ask OP - does FFT function of low end scopes is good enough or he wants device like Tek 3 series MDO for 500$

[Electro Fan]

fwiw, I have one sitting here and I use a conventional scope and generator and another LA 99.9% of the time - but I've learned my criteria don't represent everyone's criteria.  Different horses for different courses and different riders.

Yep, but that's because you own a conventional 'scope and signal generator as well.

The AD2 isn't as good as a "real" oscilloscope. The UI can be cumbersome, eg. a drop-down list to set the vertical range? Ew! (I've written to them about that one...). You have to be much more methodical when you use it, it's no wonder you reach for the conventional 'scope for quick jobs.

OTOH it can do a lot and if you're sat there coding on an Arduino or whatever then the vertical range might only change a couple of times a day so the drop-down isn't as important.

FWIW: The absolute best oscilloscope UI is on the Micsig.

I don’t have any experience with Micsig so I defer to your judgement on that, and I agree with your comments on conventional scopes and the AD2.  Your descriptions of conventional scopes vs AD2 are very consistent with my experience.  No doubt, the AD2 can do a lot - it just feels like you have to sort of tease it out vs just tap this and twist that - but maybe with enough time on the AD2 the process becomes second nature.  In any event, fwiw, I always enjoy your posts.   

[gnuarm]

Do they have a cover for the speaker to mute those annoying touch sounds?  I guess a long sharp object will do.  What is the name of the tool they use for lobotomies?  If it doesn't work on the scope I can fix the problem by using it on myself.

It's an Android tablet, it has a volume control.

I get that response about apps on my phone and PC too.  But that means EVERY app is affected similarly because of one irritating app.  This program needs to be lobotomized.

[Fungus]

I get that response about apps on my phone and PC too.  But that means EVERY app is affected similarly because of one irritating app.  This program needs to be lobotomized.

It only really has one app, soooo... 

(Well, ok, you can use it to browse the web, watch youtube and play media files off a USB stick. That would be annoying. Maybe you can find/delete the media files. :-) )

[gnuarm]

I get that response about apps on my phone and PC too.  But that means EVERY app is affected similarly because of one irritating app.  This program needs to be lobotomized.

It only really has one app, soooo... 

(Well, ok, you can use it to browse the web, watch youtube and play media files off a USB stick. That would be annoying. Maybe you can find/delete the media files. :-) )

Actually it's not a tablet.  It's like a tablet, but this is a custom designed device with knobs and scope ports, etc.  So saying the tablet has a volume control is a bit silly.  The device has a volume control.  It needs alternative sounds.  A simple tic would suffice to verify pressing virtual buttons.  That's what we are supplying on a real button ventilator. 

Someone in marketing for this scope product was being cute.

I would prefer that it was a separate device attached to a tablet or a PC.  I'd like something like this I can put in my computer bag and carry with me.  Except I don't go anywhere much these days with the virus on the rampage. 

[Fungus]

Actually it's not a tablet.  It's like a tablet, but this is a custom designed device with knobs and scope ports, etc.

Looks like a tablet to me:


The OS is Android and there's a version without knobs, too. It's a tablet by any other name.

I'd like something like this I can put in my computer bag and carry with me.  Except I don't go anywhere much these days with the virus on the rampage.

The official Micsig carry bag is quite small and very reasonably priced compared to most other manufacturers (34 Euros). It was a no-brainer to add one when I bought my Micsig.

[nctnico]

I get that response about apps on my phone and PC too.  But that means EVERY app is affected similarly because of one irritating app.  This program needs to be lobotomized.

It only really has one app, soooo... 

(Well, ok, you can use it to browse the web, watch youtube and play media files off a USB stick. That would be annoying. Maybe you can find/delete the media files. :-) )

Actually it's not a tablet.  It's like a tablet, but this is a custom designed device with knobs and scope ports, etc.  So saying the tablet has a volume control is a bit silly.  The device has a volume control.  It needs alternative sounds.  A simple tic would suffice to verify pressing virtual buttons.  That's what we are supplying on a real button ventilator. 

Someone in marketing for this scope product was being cute.

I chalk it up to being an 'Asian thing' where every device has to make lots of noise. Then again the sounds in the Micsig scopes aren't that annoying. I have a TO1104 myself and store it in a Telesin gopro case (biggest size).

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/micsig-tablet-oscilloscope-tbook-mini-to1000/msg1209307/#msg1209307

[Fungus]

I chalk it up to being an 'Asian thing' where every device has to make lots of noise.

How do you explain all-American Keysight multimeters?

Then again the sounds in the Micsig scopes aren't that annoying.

The famous video with the sound effects has the microphone volume turned waaaaay up so you can hear them.



(Listen to how loud the button clicks are in the video. In reality the button clicks are very quiet).

The thing to take note of is how (eg.) all the Serial parameters are on a single page, not with every item in a separate sub-menu that has to be individually opened and closed. You can go down the screen and select UART->CH1->9600->OK in 4 finger presses. How many clicks and knob twists does it take on a Rigol/Siglent? Anybody...?

[ogden]

I chalk it up to being an 'Asian thing' where every device has to make lots of noise.

How do you explain all-American Keysight multimeters?

Some may "quiet down" their lab equipment with scotch tape or chewing gum, but continuity beep of pro multimeter for all around use must be LOUD.

[arivel]

between the two rigol and siglent oscilloscopes which of the two is the most intuitive and easy to use?

[tautech]

between the two rigol and siglent oscilloscopes which of the two is the most intuitive and easy to use?

Exactly which models ?

[arivel]

Siglent SDS1102CML+
RIGOL DS1102Z-E
RIGOL DS1102E

[Fungus]

between the two rigol and siglent oscilloscopes which of the two is the most intuitive and easy to use?

Rigol does some things better, Siglent does other things better. Overall it's about the same.

You want really, really intuitive and fast/easy to use? Get a Micsig.

[arivel]

then let's do this .
if you were to buy an oscilloscope for a person who knows nothing about electronics and has never used this instrument, which one would you choose?

[Fungus]

then let's do this .
if you were to buy an oscilloscope for a person who knows nothing about electronics and has never used this instrument, which one would you choose?

Micsig.

But it depends on the budget and what they'll be using it for.

[arivel]

I asked a question about siglent and rigol but you insist on micsig, are you a seller maybe?

[tautech]

then let's do this .
if you were to buy an oscilloscope for a person who knows nothing about electronics and has never used this instrument, which one would you choose?

If you believe they will be in for the long haul get something they can grow into.

Had a chap a couple weeks ago and everything we put in front of him was too dear....we investigated one then another and in the end he bit the bullet and went for the dearer and better featured scope.
Don't always work that way as in the end the customer makes the decision based on what we have in stock which is no longer one of the models you had on your list as there are much better scopes for a little more $.

[nctnico]

I asked a question about siglent and rigol but you insist on micsig, are you a seller maybe?

No he isn't and neither am I. It is just that there is more out there than just Rigol and Siglent. The Rigol model you listed is quite outdated for example. Another model to consider in this price class is the GW Instek GDS-1054B. Gets you 4 channels with individual controls and a snappy user interface. But it also depends on what is available to you if you don't want to buy from another country.

[Fungus]

I asked a question about siglent and rigol but you insist on micsig, are you a seller maybe?

No, I'm somebody who used to own a Rigol and now owns a Micsig.

The only reason I mentioned it is because you asked for "most intuitive and easy to use". Micsig is a huge step up from Rigols and Siglents in user interface (touch screen, excellent design).

But... Micsig is more expensive and (as I also said) it depends on the budget.

What will it be used for? One thing that's important to get right is number of channels. 4 channels is very important in the days of microcontrollers and digital electronics.