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| bd139:
Just a datapoint. My Keysight leads say they were made by Pomona on the bag. |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on June 18, 2022, 09:36:36 am --- --- Quote from: 2N3055 on June 18, 2022, 09:23:21 am --- --- Quote from: AVGresponding on June 18, 2022, 07:42:24 am --- As to whether Pomona make Brymen leads, I thought I had read that somewhere, but can't remember where. Certainly I could easily be mistaken on this, and if anyone has firm knowledge on the subject I will be happy to stand corrected. However, claiming that Pomona and Fluke leads have no differences is disingenuous. That's like claiming all Skodas and Audis are the same because there are some common parts, and they are part of the same corporation. Or Volkswagens and Seats, pick any two from the VAG corp.[/color][/size][/b] --- End quote --- So after all this talk about data, rumors from the internet are also a data point.. You were prepared to believe that Pomona makes probes for Brymen because of your cognitive bias that only brand name companies make good products, and that others only make cheap shit. So if Brymen makes something good it is because somebody else makes good probes for them and somebody else designed meters for them or they stole the design.... I have, during the years, tried all kinds of meter cables. Worst ones were very expensive Fuke modular set (150€ set, tips and accesories were fine but cables were absolute crap, breaking all the time. Replaced cables many years ago with UNI-T made ones and they are working perefectly since). And I was VERY gentle with the cables, because they were very expensive, lab use only... Another ones that are crap are tiny Pomona needle types.. They have occasional bad contact, and wires are annoyingly thin, if you work over the device or inside, they keep getting tangled and keep getting hooked to stuff all the time.. OTOH Probemaster needle tip pogo types are fantastic.. And Pomona and Fluke probes are literally SAME. There is one factory (Pomona ) that makes probes for both brands (and Pomona sells to others too, like Keysight). There is no separate Fuke DMM leads facility. Pomona factory is that. There are some probes that are only Fluke branded, with visual design that goes with it. Welcome to the corporate efficiency optimization... And you are exactly wrong about Skoda, WV, Audi and Seat. On the most of the range ( if you discount high end special cars that are only sold under premium brands part of the group) commonality of parts is pretty much more than 80%. They are (except visually, outside and in the cabin) pretty much same cars, for the most important parts (whole motor group with transmision, chassis platform with suspension, security platform, etc). And funny enough, components being mostly the same, the care and pride to assemble them makes a difference.. Our Czech friends take great pride in their legacy, and in the whole VW group, Skodas are most reliable. More than Audi.. Corporate assholes know very well how people are blind when you slap on a big brand. They will happily sell you same product quality as common products, and will charge you 10x more... Because big brand is worth it. Or is it? --- End quote --- No, you're ascribing motivations that simply don't exist. I said I thought I had read it was the case, but couldn't remember where, and might simply be mistaken (or misremembering), and was happy to be corrected by someone with firm facts. Just one Pomona factory makes all Fluke, Pomona, and some Keysight leads? Do you have any firm knowledge of this or are you guessing? I am curious as to how they produce two types of TL71 (good ones and bad ones) in the same factory without getting confused. As for the VAG point, you are telling me I am wrong because I am right? This is very confusing... --- End quote --- There is no more Fluke or Pomona company. There are only brand names with certain conglomerate resources allocated to them. Those resources are dynamic and change at the whim of their investor/owner structure overlords.. Whatever is best for the pie charts for their next shareholders meeting.. Corporate might be outsourcing probes production or simply buying others products elsewhere too... Look at this: https://www.pomonaelectronics.com/products/dmm-test-leads-and-probes/smd-test-probe-w-sharp-spring-mounted-tip-2mm I'm buying these from TME under brand ELECTRO-PJP: https://www.tme.eu/hr/en/details/pj464iec-r/probes-test-plugs/electro-pjp/464-iec-rt/ So even Pomona and Fluke are selling you somebody else's inexpensive products at premium prices because of the name. And these Electro PJP are very good quality needle tip probes. Tips are spring loaded, they are not replaceable but price is very good.. As for cars tangent, I said exactly the opposite from you. So confusion indeed. On which part, I'm not so sure anymore... Best, |
| AVGresponding:
So, there is more than one factory. No surprise there, and no surprise that they are outsourcing (to the lowest bidder no doubt) some of their production. The bean counters are going to damage the brand image in the long term with this strategy, but since these days short term results are all that seem to count, nothing will be done until it's too late, quite likely. The point I was making (perhaps attempting to make is more appropriate since if it is not understood as I meant it, is it really made..?) with the VAG example is that you can get quite different results in terms of both quality and style with broadly the same components. You make a good point about the pride of the workforce; in my experience this is a major factor, though a well designed production system should work to even it out (though perhaps at the expense of skill level and motivation level of the workers, but then VAG and others like this as it enables them to exert downwards pressure on wages). Personally I believe the last real Skoda was rear-engined, but then I'm a petrolhead as well... |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on June 18, 2022, 01:41:36 pm ---So, there is more than one factory. No surprise there, and no surprise that they are outsourcing (to the lowest bidder no doubt) some of their production. The bean counters are going to damage the brand image in the long term with this strategy, but since these days short term results are all that seem to count, nothing will be done until it's too late, quite likely. The point I was making (perhaps attempting to make is more appropriate since if it is not understood as I meant it, is it really made..?) with the VAG example is that you can get quite different results in terms of both quality and style with broadly the same components. You make a good point about the pride of the workforce; in my experience this is a major factor, though a well designed production system should work to even it out (though perhaps at the expense of skill level and motivation level of the workers, but then VAG and others like this as it enables them to exert downwards pressure on wages). Personally I believe the last real Skoda was rear-engined, but then I'm a petrolhead as well... --- End quote --- 130RS ^-^ |
| BeBuLamar:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on June 17, 2022, 03:10:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Fungus on June 17, 2022, 02:55:55 pm --- --- Quote from: AVGresponding on June 17, 2022, 02:31:29 pm ---The differences in probabilities here is significant, I do not buy your analogy. --- End quote --- And I do not buy your assertion that everybody always needs to shop at Luis Vuitton to make sure they're getting quality that can be handed down to the next generation. If I was going to "spend a bit more on leads" I'd go for Brymens. They have decent leads for 11 Euros. https://brymen.eu/shop/silicone-test-leads-bl21s2-t4sc-brymen/ For a set of really, really sharp pointy leads though, those Aliexpress leads are awesome. (if you want to argue that they're too sharp and pointy for general use then I might buy that argument - they're scary sharp, they're the only leads I put the safety caps on when I store them) --- End quote --- Luis Vuitton? Seriously? :palm: --- End quote --- My leads are not exotic just Fluke TL175 and I do replace them 3 times a year. I keep breaking the tips. |
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