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Offline efahrenholz

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2016, 08:42:36 am »
It's a neat device but I'd definitely have to pass. I highly doubt they will sell many of these. Lots of contractors already have a phone. They have rugged cases like an otterbox. The market is already flooded with the Seek and Flir One. You could buy two imagers for the price of one of these phones. It's a good sign of things to come and I'd love it if Flir would partner with the likes of Samsung or LG to produce a real phone, not some construction savvy tool.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2016, 10:42:58 am »
The new modular bay of the LG G5 seems perfectly suited for a FLIR Lepton addon...
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2016, 11:05:24 am »
I totally agree.
The only problem that I see with LG "Friends" is that current modules might not be compatible with future LG phones.
(Because the width and thickness perfectly matches the G5 body.)

 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2016, 11:32:12 am »
I don't foresee FLIR selling Lepton to  LG G5, unless they are forced to.  Lepton is meant to be disposable for the public, and so the phone must not have removeable battery.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2016, 11:59:28 am »
From the Flir's perspective I don't see any difference between selling Lepton3 in Flir One V2 (as an attachement to the smartphone) as opposed to LG G5 "Friend" attachment.
It would be the same thing just different connector. Similar to the first Flir One which was just for iPhone 5.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2016, 12:45:31 pm »
I wish FLIR prove me wrong.  I have been waiting to get another FLIR but is frustrated with all the cripplings FLIR done to its product line so to protect the huge turf they are having.  F1G2, to me, was being forced upon them because of Seek.  Having an add-on adapter is not the same as an integrated unit which is more robust and rugged.  It cannot be a real tool.  They need to protect the C2 market.  I would have bought the C2 if it can have the latest sensor.   Then again C2 cannot be made too good to protect another ...and another..
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2016, 01:54:29 pm »
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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2016, 06:05:01 am »
i can see good things with this phone, would love to have a play with one.
come in handy for field work on transmission sites/ remote deployment
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2016, 02:04:16 pm »
I may have missed it , but are these available ?
I really did not want to bother with a new phone , but this could be an option to get a FLIR unit , especially if buying like other cell phones on a 2 yr. contract and minimal up front cost , at this time I could not afford to buy one of the other options .
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2016, 02:06:56 pm »
It is just such a pity that they used the LEPTON 2 in it, rather than the LEPTON 3.
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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2016, 02:09:10 pm »
Although a cool gadget. It will not provide the quality of the Thrrm-App. I find the fact that it’s a phone a disadvantage as you can’t pass it to other people and limited to a bulky phone.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2016, 01:09:38 am »
I'm probably still going to buy one even though it doesn't have the lepton 3. The rugged phone + the convenience of always having a thermal camera on hand will be nice.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2016, 07:49:52 am »
Does anyone know the hackability of the Cat phones?
So can they be easily rooted, is the bootloader locked or not?
If the bootloader is unlocked, how is the spply in custom roms?
Also is cat providing updates to the original rom when needed?
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2016, 05:44:14 pm »
Will the MSX be permanently enabled on this like it is with the official FLIR One app? Is this phone's thermal imaging hardware going to be based on the FLIR One, in such a way that a person can write their own FLIR One app using the SDK and have it actually work with the embedded thermal imaging camera in this smartphone?

As for resolution, I've got a hunch that they are going to be 80x60, not 160x120. The reason for that is simple. Even though it implements a FLIR camera (as indicated by the FLIR logo on it), it is not itself a FLIR product. It is a Caterpillar product, and FLIR has not yet sold 160x120 Lepton chips to 3rd parties for integration in their products. FLIR has only been selling 80x60 Lepton chips to 3rd parties for integration in their products. Even FLIR itself has never used the 160x120 Lepton chip for anything other than the FLIR One. All other Lepton based products from FLIR have been using the 80x60 Lepton chip.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2016, 08:01:24 pm »
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Even FLIR itself has never used the 160x120 Lepton chip for anything other than the FLIR One
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Wrong, it is in the K2 'basic' fire camera.  Yours for £1000.
Quite how useful MSX will be in a fire is another question, but then again 160x120 done nicely is perfectly adequate anyway.

The full specification shows it up as a bit lightweight though, and 'Designed to meet NFPA 1801' is simply a lie if it won't last 5 minutes at 260°C.  Designed to fail more like.

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2016, 08:47:48 pm »
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Even FLIR itself has never used the 160x120 Lepton chip for anything other than the FLIR One
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Wrong, it is in the K2 'basic' fire camera.  Yours for £1000.
Quite how useful MSX will be in a fire is another question, but then again 160x120 done nicely is perfectly adequate anyway.

The full specification shows it up as a bit lightweight though, and 'Designed to meet NFPA 1801' is simply a lie if it won't last 5 minutes at 260°C.  Designed to fail more like.

Bill

Is the K2 forced to use MSX like the FLIR One? Or can you turn off the MSX on the K2?
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2016, 10:36:16 am »
The German electronics store Conrad has a datasheet for the CAT S60 on its website.
http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/1400000-1499999/001424877-da-01-en-CAT_S60_OUTDOOR_SMARTPHONE_SW.pdf
There the resolution of the thermal camera is specified as 80x60 so its the low resolution Lepton :(
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2016, 10:44:05 am »
Yes, Flir probably didn't want to jeopardise the sales of Flir One.
And this way there is also room for better specs in future Cat S70...
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2016, 07:31:49 am »
The Cat S60 is now up for preorder for £530. http://store.catphones.com/uk/p_cat_store_product.aspx?i=291100
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2016, 06:30:45 pm »
What I am mostly interested is is if you will be able to root the device and if it comes with a open boot loader.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2016, 04:05:17 am »
What I am mostly interested is is if you will be able to root the device and if it comes with a open boot loader.
I doubt it. I believe the CAT S50 had a locked bootloader so this probably will too. The only you could root the S50 seems to have been via. a exploit
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2016, 09:31:19 am »
Did anyone on the forum bought it yet? If so than what are your opinion?
I saw a lot of review that say it is good, but than also one where the review unit got busted (water damage).
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2016, 12:52:52 pm »
I bought mine last week and i am happy with it.
The Thermal camera seems to do very well for what it is, the phone feels kinda big in your pocket and hands but the impressing battery life and ruggedness makes up for it IMO.
Haven't given it a bath yet but with the IP rating and the in phone software options specific to submersing and the "too deep" warning it is supposed to give you when you go under 5m... I trust it will withstand most submersings you can throw at it.
Maybe some previous abuse compromised that review unit's waterproofing?

What worried more was if i could root it and im still not sure about it but in the developer options i found interesting settings related to bootloader unlocking.
 

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Re: Caterpillar S60 - smartphone with integrated thermal camera
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2016, 02:29:00 pm »
I also have one and for a test i put mine in the kitchen sink and everything worked as expected.
The review unit that got damaged under water was more a problem of the reviewer not closing the back cover properly.

Feature wise i have two sim cards and a 256GB microSD in the phone, with little use the battery can last for 3 days.
The thermal camera i mostly use at work to find faults in PCB's if the big flir camera is somewhere in the field.
The combination with the visible camera works but is not optimal due to the close distance so the thermal and normal image do not lineup properly.
 


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