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Offline Fraser

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Re: Electronics repair where thermal cam did help.
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2016, 11:23:31 pm »
For PCB inspection there is little doubt that a camera that is capable of manual very close focus is more capable than a fixed focus camera plus auxiliary lens. Both do work however. The fixed focus camera + close-up lens has a very small depth of field and the camera has to be moved back and forth to find correct focus. With a manual close focus lens the user is able to set the focus without moving the camera. Sharper images are also achievable with a manual focus lens as the optical block may be optimised for image focus rather than a compromise fixed focus design.

What do I use ? My 'go-to' thermal camera for quick PCB checks is the E4 (320x240+menus) with a 100mm FL close up lens  ;D It is just so convenient !

I have a 160 x 120 Testo 880 camera that I should use more as it has manual focus BUT, many manual focus thermal cameras will only close focus to 30cm. This is too far from the DUT for me so I would still need a close-up lens !  The Testo has a large diameter lens, so a large diameter 100mm FL close-up lens would be needed. Such are not cheap but I do have a couple  ;D

For really high quality images and in depth PCB thermal profiling I would use one of my FLIR PM series or NEC AVIO cameras as they were designed for such detailed work and have greater capabilities for thermal analysis.

Given the choice, I would always buy a camera with manual focus in preference to one with a fixed focus lens block. I have many cameras so can see the difference in imaging performance in practical usage. The trouble is, decent manual focus 'all in one' thermal cameras tens to be the more expensive models in a range. There are manual focus mobile phone add-on thermal cameras now though. Not all are born equal though so care is needed in selecting which to buy.

Finally...... Auto focus.... yes, some thermal cameras have an auto focus capability  :) My FLIR PM695 has both manual and auto-focus modes  ;D
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Re: Electronics repair where thermal cam did help.
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2016, 09:13:39 am »
Can anyone suggest a place which is the best place to buy that E4? (I mean a good price.)
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What do I use ? My 'go-to' thermal camera for quick PCB checks is the E4 (320x240+menus) with a 100mm FL close up lens
Must 100mm FL close up lens  be bought  separately? If so ,what is a common price?
 

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Re: Electronics repair where thermal cam did help.
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2016, 11:02:04 am »
Bondguy,

Close up lenses are a DIY build for the E4. Details of parts are given a couple of posts  back.

The lens is around $22 and available from several Chinese suppliers. Different focal lengths are available. I use 100mm and 63mm FL lenses but a 50mm is also available.

The lens holder 3D designs are available in several versions on Thingiverse. You can also make your own lens holder using modelling plasticard or even cardboard !

Please read my 'E4 useful information' thread for more E4 related istuff.

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Re: Electronics repair where thermal cam did help.
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2016, 05:25:28 pm »
I can buy E4 at EUR750( seems OK price or not? Your comments, please). That  camera is to be a  brand new camera made last month. Will there a hack be possible too?
 

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Re: Electronics repair where thermal cam did help.
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2016, 05:36:07 pm »
I can buy E4 at EUR750( seems OK price or not? Your comments, please). That  camera is to be a  brand new camera made last month. Will there a hack be possible too?

The price is ok in US you can get $900 new
But if read correctly new camera has 2.8.0 FW which has encrypted content and cannot be hacked directly,
Downgrade to 2.3.0 is needed. I did not try it personally.
 

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Re: Electronics repair where thermal cam did help.
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2016, 08:00:20 pm »
I use my E4->8 with a ZnSe lens and 3D printed holder. Works extremely well for macro/electronics work.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:187166

... only takes a few seconds to clip it on/off.
Cant order holder, i dont have 3D printer. Can someone who has 3D printer give me a quote for printing it for me please?
 


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