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Offline Bruno28

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First Timer Thermal Camera
« on: December 02, 2016, 11:01:07 am »
So this week we got a new Fire truck for the volunteering I do at RFS in Australia.
There was a box with a dermal camera and there it was my first experience with one of these beauty.
Ive always wanted to see one or have on but at the time the cheapest was a few thousand and you would only see them on Discovery Mythbusters.


So I'm looking to get one for fun and also something I could use in the house, for some of my LED projects (to see how heat is spreading in the heatsink) and outside to spot animals and maybe humans when doing search and rescue.
I do have an android phone (Galaxy S7 Edge) so can use the attachable modules.

I had my eyes on the Flip C2 as it looks compact and sturdy. Also found a brand new one for $520 usd. Is that a good price?

But then after browsing a little bit of this forum i saw that many people have a ThermalExpert Q1. Which i have never head before but the specs seem to be really good, similar to the Therm-app which i would love to own but at $999 its a bit too much for my pocket :( oh the dream.


SO how much are these ThermalExpert Q1? Ive looked online but no place has price!
I wanted too spend under 600usd.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2016, 11:45:41 am »
Prices from a few months ago:

T.E. Q1 -> 499$
T.E. Q1 Plus -> 599$
T.E. Q1 Pro -> 699$
T.E. V1 -> 2999$
 Accessories kit -> $80

Shipping 65$-85$.
 
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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2016, 11:51:24 am »
Thanks for that. And does the T.E. Q1 compare to the Therm-App?  What i really like about the therm-app is the ability to see at really far distances and it has a great quality image.
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2016, 12:13:12 pm »
Sensor has the same resolution and images are really low noise and high in details so I don't see any advantages of Therm-App over TE Q1.
See my photos here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/thermal-imaging-gallery/?all

If you want to see things that are far away then you need lens with long focal length. For therm-app you could get 19mm and 35mm lens.
The "longest" lens for TE Q1 are 13mm FL.
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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2016, 12:15:44 pm »
Sensor has the same resolution and images are really low noise and high detail with TE Q1.
See my photos here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/thermal-imaging-gallery/?all

I don't see any advantages of Therm-App over TE Q1.

If you want to see things that are far away then you need lens with long focal length. For therm-app you could get 19mm and 35mm lens.
The "longest" lens for TE Q1 are 13mm FL.
Cool so that saved me a lot already.
Do you think the TE Q1 can see things 20-30 meters ok?
Is the TE Q1 still a better option than the Flir C2, when I can get a C2 for  $520?

 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2016, 12:24:07 pm »
TE Q1 is a Bugatti Veyron and Flir C2 is a Kia Picanto. ;D
You can't compare images from 384x288 sensor to 80x60 sensor. C2 is just an expensive toy.

With 13mm lens you can easily see stuff at 30m.

This is castle approx 500m away:


And this road is about 1km away:
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2016, 08:19:25 pm »
TE Q1 is a Bugatti Veyron and Flir C2 is a Kia Picanto. ;D
You can't compare images from 384x288 sensor to 80x60 sensor. C2 is just an expensive toy.

With 13mm lens you can easily see stuff at 30m.

This is castle approx 500m away:


And this road is about 1km away:

WOW. That's impressive! I want one bad now.
I assume the 13mm lens is an optional?

What about closer distances and seeing things through wall? Any video review of this product? I've looked on YouTube but there are only a few videos and none review it.

Also how do we order?
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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2016, 01:31:22 am »
Comparing the Seek compact pro vs the TE Q1? They are similar specs and price. The Seek compact pro is also 15hz

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2016, 10:49:45 am »
The thermal expert is definitely ahead in terms of noise performance and actual usable resolution.

While the 15Hz of the Seek is a advantage, depending on what you're using it for more resolution and less noise is probably more important.

Also while I haven't used the ThermalExpert software, judging from mike's review thew Seek Pro's app is really shitty.
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2016, 02:04:22 pm »
You'll only be able to get close to 15fps on top spec'd phone.
But from what I have seen image quality is nowhere near TE Q1.

See here: http://blog.ivytools.com/2016/08/11/seek-compact-pro-ff-image-gallery/

While "Compact Pro" is a lot better than original Seek it's still noisy as hell...

Also how do we order?

You can buy TE Q1 by filing out this form: http://www.i3-thermalexpert.com/buy-now/
I3system will then contact you with instructions for payment with paypal.
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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2016, 02:09:05 pm »
Camparison of Seek Pro vs TE Q1 for pcb inspection:

Seek Compact Pro


TE Q1:
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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2016, 07:44:21 pm »
Thanks for all the replies. The TE Q1 does seem to outperform the  Seek compact pro. The image is so sharp!
Can't wait to order. I hope the price has gone down a bit from  $499 now.

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2016, 09:29:04 am »
Someone recently ordered q.e. q1 plus? The price of $ 1100 it is now?
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2016, 10:01:20 am »
In August it was 600$: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/another-smartphone-thermal-imager-from-i3/msg1001140/#msg1001140

Did you contact them and got 1100$ price?
Do you know what is the price of basic TE Q1 now?
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2016, 10:41:28 am »
In August it was 600$: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/another-smartphone-thermal-imager-from-i3/msg1001140/#msg1001140

Did you contact them and got 1100$ price?
Do you know what is the price of basic TE Q1 now?
Today I received a letter from them.
q1-1000$, plus-1100$, pro-1300$.

Maybe someone will write to them about the prices?
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2016, 02:19:26 pm »
Wow so they added 500$ to old prices...

Now it makes more sense to buy Therm-App because it comes with 19mm f/1.1 lens while basic TE Q1 has 6.8mm f/1.3 lens.
Or just get Flir E4 and hack it to E8+.

SeekThermal guys are probably opening champagnes right now...
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2016, 09:15:57 pm »
I contacted them and got the following prices, shipping is so expensive for a small item.

1. TE-Q1 (384 x 288 array) Price
-       T.E – Q1 with default lens (6.8mm lens) : $499
        * Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 150°C
        * You can use our camera by directly connecting to the smart-phone.

-       T.E – Q1 Plus with 13mm lens (13mm lens, FOV : 28 [H], Sensitivity : 50mK) : $599
        * Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 120°C
        * You can use our camera by directly connecting to the smart-phone.

-       T.E – Q1 Pro camera with default lens (6.8mm lens) : $699
* Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 250°C

-       Accessories kit : $80
        * You can choose the accessories in order to use our camera with the cradle, tripod and cable.

-       Option lens (13mm lens) : $180
        * FOV : 35°, sensitivity : 0.05°C
        * You can choose the optional lens in order to detect the long distance and get the better sensitivity.
        * It is interchangeable lens.
 
2. T.E-V1 Price (640x480 pixels)
-       Thermal Expert camera with default lens (19mm lens, 9Hz) : $2,990
        * Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 120°C
        * OS : Android, Window (We also provide the Windows software[real time] for our camera.)
        * You have to use the recent smart-phone.
        * It includes accessories.

-       Thermal Expert camera with default lens (19mm lens, 30Hz) : $3,490
 
-       Shipping cost : $65
« Last Edit: December 05, 2016, 09:26:33 pm by Bruno28 »
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2016, 07:45:47 am »
Yeah shipping is expensive but at least you got the "old?" prices.
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2016, 03:00:11 pm »
bruno,

Which camera is in the truck ?

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2016, 09:14:19 pm »
bruno,

Which camera is in the truck ?

regards
Bill
Hello Bill,

I don't get your question. In the truck?

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2016, 01:09:12 am »
I think he means in your fire truck...

So this week we got a new Fire truck for the volunteering I do at RFS in Australia.
There was a box with a dermal camera
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2016, 07:43:39 am »
I think he means in your fire truck...

So this week we got a new Fire truck for the volunteering I do at RFS in Australia.
There was a box with a dermal camera
Ohhhhhhhhh. It's this one
Dräger UCF7000


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« Last Edit: December 07, 2016, 12:07:10 pm by Bruno28 »
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2016, 02:07:23 am »

Any way to  connect some of these cams to a screen, DVR, or RCA/BNC?
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2016, 08:13:24 am »
Flir One V2, SeekThermal, i3 ThemalExpert, Them-App can all work on linux so you could connect them to RaspberryPi model B which has RCA video out.
Or just use HDMI out on any RPI.
 

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Re: First Timer Thermal Camera
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2017, 11:04:10 am »
So i got my first camera! I was leaning towards the T.E Q1.

But then i gave up as i thought $499usd plus $60 shipping was too much for something that would be only for entertainment and would need to remove the case on my phone every time i needed to use the thermal camera.

On another note that cost me even more..... I got a Therm-App TH :)
Paid $999 ausd for a brand new unit (about $724usd). Which i think is a bargain (even though its a lot of money for me) And I think that if I get bored and don't end up using it anymore, I can always sell for what I got for it or maybe more as they retail for $1999usd (2700ausd here).
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