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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
254 (26.9%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
435 (46.1%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
46 (4.9%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
47 (5%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
161 (17.1%)

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4950 on: May 26, 2014, 10:30:39 pm »
In other news, Flir have just announced a $499 Lepton based security camera
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4951 on: May 27, 2014, 12:45:35 am »
Another price breakthrough. BUT I think the images shown in the article are a little deceptive..... they do not look like 80x60 resolution to me.

I like that little Lepton core, it is a very neat piece of integration and miniaturisation. Perfect for all manner of applications.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 12:56:44 am by Aurora »
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4952 on: May 27, 2014, 01:34:08 am »

<edit> But what reason would anyone have for such a downgrade? (except of 2.x.x to 1.x.x)

Well isn't the 1.18 fw has better hack? Also has video right?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4953 on: May 27, 2014, 08:52:17 am »
Another price breakthrough. BUT I think the images shown in the article are a little deceptive..... they do not look like 80x60 resolution to me.

I like that little Lepton core, it is a very neat piece of integration and miniaturisation. Perfect for all manner of applications.
Apparently there is also a UAV in the works with one, and I'd expect people are doing stuff like super-lightweight head-up displays for firefighters, if only they'd just sell them in Digikey..
Currently they'll only talk to you if you can buy a MOQ of 1000 at $250 each. Hopefully that will change in time. In the meantime, I'm sure someone  ;) will reverse- engineer the protocols so you can rip them out of FlirOnes as & when they become available. 
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4954 on: May 27, 2014, 10:46:42 am »
Indeed, and hopefully someone will come up with a clever mechanical jitter concept to crerate higher resolution images via frame layering  ;)
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4955 on: May 27, 2014, 02:24:32 pm »
something related, has anyone bought or try to buy a FLIR recently? has there been stock shortages?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4956 on: May 27, 2014, 04:02:23 pm »
something related, has anyone bought or try to buy a FLIR recently? has there been stock shortages?

I ordered another E4 on the 15th of May
If local store get it the same time as my first E4
I should get it tomorrow or this week
Hope it is still 1.22
Let you guys know when I get it
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4957 on: May 27, 2014, 07:16:33 pm »
something related, has anyone bought or try to buy a FLIR recently? has there been stock shortages?

I bought my first E4 v1.22 ten days ago. I used it in E4 mode, found an arcing breaker at my friend's house (effectively paid for the unit right there right now!) and I procrastinated up until mid last-week to upgrade it.  When I brought it up to E8 status, I was flabbergasted !

I loved it so much, I bought three additional brand new 1.22 (verified at the moment of purchase) units.

I haven't upgraded them yet. 

The sales guy was pissed, because he knew what I was going to do with them...

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4958 on: May 27, 2014, 07:19:07 pm »
Upon upgrading my E4, I noticed that the IR images has vertical lines (density inconsistencies).

Is that an artefact of some calibration matrix not being properly calibrated for 320*240 but only for 80x60, with individual pixel compensation values missing ?  The sample images that I download from FLIR do not seem to display those vertical lines...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4959 on: May 27, 2014, 08:47:52 pm »
As of today the last E4 Grainger had in stock was sold for the states of OH,IN, MI,KY. It was a 1.22.0 -1.1L calibrated April 14th,2014. New inventory for this region will be direct ship from FLIR.    Out the door price of $900.00 via preferred contractors account.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4960 on: May 27, 2014, 11:08:01 pm »
Upon upgrading my E4, I noticed that the IR images has vertical lines (density inconsistencies).

Is that an artefact of some calibration matrix not being properly calibrated for 320*240 but only for 80x60, with individual pixel compensation values missing ?  The sample images that I download from FLIR do not seem to display those vertical lines...

Myself and others don't seem to have that issue. My camera had the 1.19 firmware and the earlier hardware version.
Some details about the previous items, hw, fw versions might help some of the more experienced guys here answer that question. If you didn't do it already Aurora has a thread where that info is also greatly appreciated. On another note, the calibration house my company uses for all of our gear that needs calibration said that the mod to the e4 doesn't have any influence on their end. Good news for those of us who need to have calibrated instruments. The guy i spoke to actually said that they have already calibrated "several upgraded devices" and will happily continue to do so. Im thinkin they have a few of their own ;)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4961 on: May 28, 2014, 02:23:44 am »
Gents... New to this forum but just picked up an E4 with the 1.22 software...

I get as far as using filezilla and get this...

Command:   PORT 192,168,0,12,209,132
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Command:   LIST
Command:   TYPE I
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   NOOP
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   NOOP
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   NOOP
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   PWD
Response:   257 "/" is current directory.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   NOOP
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   NOOP
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   TYPE I
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   TYPE I
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   PWD
Response:   257 "/" is current directory.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   NOOP
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   PWD
Response:   257 "/" is current directory.
Status:   Sending keep-alive command
Command:   TYPE I
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Status:   Retrieving directory listing...
Command:   PORT 192,168,0,12,209,216
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Command:   LIST
Response:   450 Data connection busy.
Error:   Failed to retrieve directory listing

Everytime I can't see the files in the unit.  Any help is appreciated.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4962 on: May 28, 2014, 02:33:03 am »
Gents... New to this forum but just picked up an E4 with the 1.22 software...

I get as far as using filezilla and get this...

Command:   PORT 192,168,0,12,209,132
Response:   200 Ready command OK.
Command:   LIST
Command:   TYPE I
...

Everytime I can't see the files in the unit.  Any help is appreciated.

I'd say check your IP routing and local firewall settings for the IP range in question.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4963 on: May 28, 2014, 07:58:44 am »
Just wanted to share the tripod mount I made out of Polymorph (Polycaprolactone)
A 1/4 to 3/8 adapter in the bottom.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4964 on: May 28, 2014, 10:43:29 am »
For those who have been following it, I have just updated my serial number Vs firmware and calibration date list here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/flir-e4-the-useful-information-thread/msg332428/#msg332428

Sorry for the meandering columns  ;D

My thanks to all who have provided their camera details. I especially wish to thank one member of this forum (he knows who he is) who has provided whole batches of Serial/FW/Cal details for the forums use.

Newbies to this forum may wish to brows the content of my E4 Useful information thread.....it has some useful information within it.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4965 on: May 29, 2014, 04:53:08 am »

 may wish to browse the content of my E4 Useful information thread.....it has some useful information within it.

Aurora
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4966 on: May 29, 2014, 12:24:08 pm »
New use for the MikE8 today - how to tell if the washing on the line is dry!

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4967 on: May 29, 2014, 01:04:12 pm »
The other day my girlfriend asked me to make a porno of her with my thermal camera... this is how I know I'm in love!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4968 on: May 29, 2014, 03:23:02 pm »
The other day my girlfriend asked me to make a porno of her with my thermal camera... this is how I know I'm in love!
I hope you are going to post the link then here  :clap:
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4969 on: May 29, 2014, 04:11:04 pm »
Just a short notice for anybody experiencing similar issues:

My E4+ did show problems with the DCIM folder - could not be listed or read over telnet/samba
diskutil unmount, check, remount did not help - still was unable to list contents - not even with "dir" in telnet! -> just stuck
new images were not saved etc.

Solution: changed to RNDIS+MSD mode - there I could read out the contents and recover the images (then I re-formatted the partition)

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4970 on: May 29, 2014, 04:50:38 pm »
The other day my girlfriend asked me to make a porno of her with my thermal camera... this is how I know I'm in love!

Thermograms or it didn't happen.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4971 on: May 29, 2014, 04:57:57 pm »
I think I have seen that video.........

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4972 on: May 29, 2014, 07:18:27 pm »
Just a short notice for anybody experiencing similar issues:

My E4+ did show problems with the DCIM folder - could not be listed or read over telnet/samba
diskutil unmount, check, remount did not help - still was unable to list contents - not even with "dir" in telnet! -> just stuck
new images were not saved etc.

Solution: changed to RNDIS+MSD mode - there I could read out the contents and recover the images (then I re-formatted the partition)
Have you changed the default store path for the images?
rls .services.volumes.0.directory

I download the Images over ftp and also use ftp to create/delete folders.
Just set the "default store path" is over Telnet.
what do you have done to reach this issue?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4973 on: May 29, 2014, 07:26:14 pm »
Just a short notice for anybody experiencing similar issues:
...
Have you changed the default store path for the images?
rls .services.volumes.0.directory

I download the Images over ftp and also use ftp to create/delete folders.
Just set the "default store path" is over Telnet.
what do you have done to reach this issue?
No, didn't change the path - my guess is that's some strange issue with FAT based filesystems that get a "knock on the head" ;)
Interestingly everything was fine when read as memory device (MSD mode).
My best guess is that it's related to taking snapshots early after boot when not all services have started yet.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4974 on: May 30, 2014, 11:40:43 am »
So, my E4 just arrived. It has the 2.1.0 firmware loaded (S/N: 639285XX)

Did anybody already try changing the 2.1.0 firmware?
 


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