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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
238 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
425 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
43 (4.8%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
41 (4.5%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
158 (17.5%)

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Author Topic: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown  (Read 2633879 times)

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Offline Solare

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7525 on: December 15, 2015, 10:55:25 pm »
> 2 anonyman,

I bet you will have 2.3.0 :) you are one of the luckiest man to take these few cameras in very last moment before they disappeared.
When you have it in your hands, please tell us if it is so.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7526 on: December 15, 2015, 11:32:44 pm »
Actually i'm pretty sure it will be the new firmware, because when i ordered, there was one in stock and then the next day I got an email saying that it has been delayed and then they ran out of stock.

I'm thinking the 2 weeks delay was because they have been manually updating the firmware's on each and every one of the new cameras they send out.

Anyways, will know tomorrow.

My main purpose of the camera is to find insulation and air leaks, as we are remodeling my house and there is one room which is colder then the rest of the house and I can't seem to find out where the cold is coming from, or there are so many cold spots, don't know where to start plugging them.

But if there has been a hardware change, I will just buy one off Ebay and send this one back. The new firmware I can live with as there will probably be a hack for it sooner or later.

Will post with the details tommorrow.

thanks all
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7527 on: December 15, 2015, 11:45:01 pm »
Sofia,
I should be able to do that, if I find a way to save the files from the device.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7528 on: December 16, 2015, 04:02:04 pm »
Can anyone tell me where to buy an E4 from that will be suitable for upgrade to E8. I'm in the UK.

I think Santa wants me to have one.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7529 on: December 16, 2015, 10:22:07 pm »
Which OS you are running?

What is exact version number of FLIR Tools you used for the update?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7530 on: December 16, 2015, 10:52:03 pm »
And what is your camera hardware version?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7531 on: December 16, 2015, 10:52:50 pm »
I received my E4 camera today. Software V 2.8.0.

Model E63900 T198547

Here is the thing, it has pixels, like around 8 at the very bottom and 4 at the top. They are only visible when the camera is in 'Device Settings' and only when you scroll up and down.  Does anyone else have these or should I ask for a replacement.

Thanks
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7532 on: December 17, 2015, 01:27:22 am »
So the hardware version has not changed.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7533 on: December 17, 2015, 08:41:03 am »
@ anonyman:
Which color do these pixels have? I have the first version of the E4 with a pretty old firmware but I sometimes see "stuck pixels" too. But they aren't stuck, it's just a software error. On closer look you can see that these pixels are just "transparent" which means you can see just one or more pixels of the thermal image, even if you have settings opened. It sometimes happens also if you look at saved images on the device. Move the camera a bit around (from hot to cold, so the thermal image changes color) and see if the color of the pixel changes, then it's most certainly one of these transparent pixels in the menu overlay. Try rebooting your camera or remove the battery for a few seconds and try again.

Hope this helps  :)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7534 on: December 17, 2015, 10:05:11 am »
I received my E4 camera today. Software V 2.8.0.

Model E63900 T198547

Here is the thing, it has pixels, like around 8 at the very bottom and 4 at the top. They are only visible when the camera is in 'Device Settings' and only when you scroll up and down.  Does anyone else have these or should I ask for a replacement.

Thanks

It is normal. They do it all the cameras.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7535 on: December 17, 2015, 10:16:16 am »
I think that might be a problem with the system downgrade to win 7 or higher.
I'm in win7 unstable connection to the camera. Win XP without problems.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7536 on: December 17, 2015, 10:40:56 am »
>didn't use flir tools used the guides above and followed the directions exactly. Computer was old windows xp.

But in the guides above it is exactly about how to use FlirTools for updating! Or you mean some other 'guides above', pls. specify.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7537 on: December 17, 2015, 12:44:06 pm »
>didn't use flir tools used the guides above and followed the directions exactly. Computer was old windows xp.

But in the guides above it is exactly about how to use FlirTools for updating! Or you mean some other 'guides above', pls. specify.

Also, I'm not clear what he meant. Use instructions "txt" which is enclosed in the package at
"2.3.0 update." ???
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7538 on: December 17, 2015, 01:11:35 pm »
@ anonyman:
Which color do these pixels have? I have the first version of the E4 with a pretty old firmware but I sometimes see "stuck pixels" too. But they aren't stuck, it's just a software error. On closer look you can see that these pixels are just "transparent" which means you can see just one or more pixels of the thermal image, even if you have settings opened. It sometimes happens also if you look at saved images on the device. Move the camera a bit around (from hot to cold, so the thermal image changes color) and see if the color of the pixel changes, then it's most certainly one of these transparent pixels in the menu overlay. Try rebooting your camera or remove the battery for a few seconds and try again.

Hope this helps  :)

Thanks Stefbeer,

The pixels are whitish, like stuck pixels. Are more visible in the medium intensity, also they change saturation when I open and close the camera shutter. Only visible in 'Device Settings' because the background & foreground color is just right. They are not visible in any image.

I will take the battery out for a few minutes today and see what that does.

And if no luck, I  will try to upload a pic tomorrow, that is if my digital camera will even catch the pixels.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7539 on: December 17, 2015, 01:39:16 pm »
:-+ I just unboxed a new e4 that was bought as a Christmas present when I looked & realized that a 2.8.0 firmware was afoot. Panic set in and then I went back and read backwards from the end of this topic (as I have followed since the beginning) so that I could see where I had missed the new firmware since ordering the camera. I used the download link from for the downgrade to 2.3.0 from
Here is the link to his download: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00983732806372988148

I used the guide from
http://fubar.gr/hacking-the-flir-e4/

I downloaded everything the web page described and performed the procedures in the exact sequence and manner described and in less than 1/2 hour (most of which was spent swearing at old laptop while trying to remember DOS commands and finally Googling them in frustration) & it all worked like a charm!

The camera hardware version 1.2L, Camera software version 2.8.0,  My computer was dell laptop using windows xp service pack 3, Flir Tools version 4.0.1 but when i read the txt file (included in the download from Matmoe that looks to be from Flir) it describes how to manually choose the firmware file to install so I don't think it really matters.

I really have spent more time trying to iron out questions than i did enhancing the camera. If you follow the links/guides from the original authors quoted above it is really simple.  Best of luck to you all. ;D

I went back in and edited the post hopefully this answers questions
« Last Edit: December 17, 2015, 01:51:53 pm by Navynuke »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7540 on: December 17, 2015, 02:34:39 pm »
@ anonyman:
Which color do these pixels have? I have the first version of the E4 with a pretty old firmware but I sometimes see "stuck pixels" too. But they aren't stuck, it's just a software error. On closer look you can see that these pixels are just "transparent" which means you can see just one or more pixels of the thermal image, even if you have settings opened. It sometimes happens also if you look at saved images on the device. Move the camera a bit around (from hot to cold, so the thermal image changes color) and see if the color of the pixel changes, then it's most certainly one of these transparent pixels in the menu overlay. Try rebooting your camera or remove the battery for a few seconds and try again.

Hope this helps  :)

Seems to be a small bug in all firmware versions, no real consequences just a little silly looking.

Thanks Stefbeer,

The pixels are whitish, like stuck pixels. Are more visible in the medium intensity, also they change saturation when I open and close the camera shutter. Only visible in 'Device Settings' because the background & foreground color is just right. They are not visible in any image.

I will take the battery out for a few minutes today and see what that does.

And if no luck, I  will try to upload a pic tomorrow, that is if my digital camera will even catch the pixels.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7541 on: December 17, 2015, 02:53:12 pm »
2 Navynuke:

So, after you updated your post, it is not that confusing, just to summarize:

- you used FlirTools old version (which exactly?) on Windows XP (which exactly SP?)
- you proceeded as described in the *.pdf found in the upgrade archive folder attached (2.3.0) step by step
- when succeed, you applied standard Fubar procedure to unlock your camera and it worked

This means, you effectively used FlirTools, but in some other way than 'upgrade camera' usual way.

Please confirm every line of this list above and provide the detailed info because people here might follow and get their cameras bricked (2 "bricked" reports so far against 2 "success" reports makes 50% chances for success!)

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7542 on: December 18, 2015, 07:31:23 am »
Currently it is not possible to downgrade the firmware 2.8.0 to 2.3.0.
Just because someone writes that he did - I was writing nonsense (cheating?)
If someone on success which will showcase images.
But so you see number serial with the revised firmware.
! I do not advise to experiment !
It will end certainly damage the software and the camera itself.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7543 on: December 18, 2015, 11:58:46 am »
Currently it is not possible to downgrade the firmware 2.8.0 to 2.3.0.
Just because someone writes that he did - I was writing nonsense (cheating?)
If someone on success which will showcase images.
But so you see number serial with the revised firmware.
! I do not advise to experiment !
It will end certainly damage the software and the camera itself.

How do you know that it is not possible to downgrade ??? You're perhaps trying ??? How did you come?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7544 on: December 18, 2015, 12:08:25 pm »

Take your camera firmware 2.8.0 and try, or upgrade FV to 2.8.0 firmware itself ...
And there is no evidence that this is possible (and it is not possible!)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7545 on: December 18, 2015, 04:20:18 pm »
Not that I am doubting anything anyone has written here but so far not a single person that claims to have 2.8.0 downgraded or otherwise has show a screen shot, uploaded a backup, or put any video of it on youtube or the like. But many have requested hacks or help with their units - how is that going to be possible if no one wants to provide the tools needed to even begin to look into it?

I know I am not going to go out and buy a new unit just to get 2.8.0 firmware - I have a working 2.3.0 unit.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7546 on: December 18, 2015, 04:56:42 pm »
Been there done that!

I quoted the original post by matmoe

Use flir tools pick manual firmware package (link from his post) and let it do the rest. Takes very little time and loads 2.3.0 quite effortlessly.

The tools to do this are already on the forum. READ the posts before naysaying.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2015, 04:59:38 pm by Navynuke »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7547 on: December 18, 2015, 05:15:59 pm »
So, again, I repeat.
Upgrading from version 2.8.0 is not possible to version 2.3.0 and certainly using the update tool from FLIR.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7548 on: December 18, 2015, 06:00:54 pm »
 :wtf: ;D

"one of us is crying, one of us is lying..."

Who is who that is the question! Consider well before applying any upgrades: if you are mistaken, you either miss an opportunity, or loose the device!

(shit shit shit)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7549 on: December 18, 2015, 06:06:29 pm »
The downgrade from 2.8.0. to 2.3.0 worked! I have a Flir E6 wich was delivered with 2.8.0, and now i've got the version 2.3.0 with resolution and menu hack running. The only evidence i can bring, are those images of my FlirStuff Folder. I did the downgrade like it was described in the dokcument "Manuel ipdating FLIR Ex series cameras" shown in the attachments .

BUT as i already said. Its up to you! Maybe its working and maybe you will brick your device. I don't know why it maybe doesn't work on some devices....
 


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