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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
238 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
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Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
43 (4.8%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
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Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
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Author Topic: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown  (Read 2632514 times)

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8201 on: April 13, 2017, 03:58:45 am »
Sounds exactly the same, although i also have line(s) appear and dissapear(after camera self calibrates).

Can be seen on an image here: https://goo.gl/photos/TL43oRGJaUtYBjx98

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8202 on: April 13, 2017, 04:00:58 am »
I bought the camera used without hacks. I think the best thing to do now is take it to Flir repair (before applying any hacks). I think it should have some warranty still left. At least it was not registered and after registering it said that the warranty was extended for 1year.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8203 on: April 13, 2017, 04:14:02 am »
Very good idea. hopefully you will get hardware 1.2L back not 2.0.


 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8204 on: April 13, 2017, 04:20:06 am »
Hope so! I take it that the hacks won't work with 2.0?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8205 on: April 13, 2017, 04:23:11 am »
They haven't been able to crack it yet. It's unlikely that it will be 2.0 as that is for the Wi-Fi model.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8206 on: April 13, 2017, 04:58:09 am »
@ollihd,

Please be aware that the FLIR warranty applies to the original purchaser and requires the original purchase receipt from an approved FLIR agent.

FLIR may repair it for you as a goodwill gesture, but please do not be surprised if they ask for a receipt and wish to charge you the repair cost if you do not have such.

Vertical lines are very bad news as that can be microbolometer  column failure. The microbolometer is supported by a 10 year warranty. This may work in your favour as there can be no doubt that the part is still less than 10 years old.

I suggest you carefully craft an email to FLIR customer services and ensure you mention that the microbolometer appears to have a fault.

Good luck  :-+

Best Wishes

Fraser
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8207 on: April 13, 2017, 05:09:32 am »
@Fraser

Thanks for the tips! I will for sure do it like this. I have contacted my local Flir authorized repair company. I will try to get this fixed with them. The product is registered to me, but I don't have the original receipt, although I have all the original calibration documents, etc. If this fails I will contact Flir in Sweden directly and try to sort it out with them. I have also asked the seller to provide me with the original receipt if possible.

This was a total bummer for me. I drove 6 hours to get the unit and was so exited to use it... then this happened... Hope all this ends well.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8208 on: April 13, 2017, 05:32:25 am »
One thing to note about the horizontal line is that they only appear after a cycle power off, power on. This is how I get them 100% of the time:

- Remove battery
- Insert battery
- Power on
- Wait for loading to finish
- Press power for 2 sec (power off/sleep)
- Press power for 2 sec (power on/wake up)
- Voila, horizontal line(s)
- Camera auto calibrates, lines disappear for a moment, and then...:
- Voila, horizontal line(s) again

So if I just remove battery, boot = no horizontal lines...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8209 on: April 13, 2017, 05:58:42 am »
My mistake. I missed that the lines are horizontal. That is not column failure. That is Row failure and the way you describe the fault it may be the image processing stages that are at fault and not the microbolometer. I suggest you still suggest that you suspect a microbolometer fault in your letter to FLIR though.

Sadly there is the potential for previous owner meddling in the camera software. A failed upgrade attempt ? It is not unusual for owners who cause issues with their camera during an upgrade, to revert it back to standard spec and sell it. If FLIR find the failed upgrade attempt to be the cause of the issues with the camera, expect a bill from them. The bill is normally around 400 Euros.

I think I saw this camera for sale on ebay and thought at the time that it was 'one to avoid'. A circle of cr*p showing on the standard 80x60 display is a very bad sign. It suggests someone has meddled with it as such a fault is not common in standard spec E4 cameras.

I am sorry that you now have it and its potentially expensive liability.

Fraser
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8210 on: April 13, 2017, 06:06:10 am »
Thanks for the reply. I made a quick video on how I can replicate the problem:
https://goo.gl/photos/Fn7DwcaZEBNkuoPR7

I bought this from a local seller in Finland. It was bought from a finnish Flir authorized company (the one I actually contacted).

The guy I bought it from didn't seem like the "hacking type", but who knows!  :-//

I'll let you know how it goes. I think I will try to re-flash the 2.11 once again to see if it would help (probably it won't).
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8211 on: April 13, 2017, 08:20:24 am »
To me that looks like a microbolometer ROIC fault. The FFC event tries to compensate but the issue returns. No idea why different start up types have different effect on the fault. I suggest you pursue the fault repair as a microbolometer failure that has a 10 year warranty period.

If FLI decide to provide warranty cover I suspect you will be provided with a new/reconditioned camera. It will be loaded with the latest firmware version but whether it is the latest platform is impossible to know.

Good luck with getting it repaired.

Fraser
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8212 on: April 13, 2017, 04:45:27 pm »
here you go:

2.11 upgrade files:

https://mega.nz/#!gFklHBzA!bgyRLzUBntGM6ytyK4i2OZKqBO3ikjvBALVHuUhpb8c


2.11 hack files:

https://mega.nz/#!NZdEkR6L!AkHtYi8MP7W7Px460a2Z9radSYQT9BrL9vJzF1KGKgQ






Are there any further instructions on how to use this ? I'm feeling very wary as I'm not familiar with all the python stuff and how to access the camera "as a drive"
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8213 on: April 13, 2017, 04:47:35 pm »
Have you checked the step-by-step (link in the first post of this thread)? As far as I can tell the procedure is the same for 2.11 as it is for the 2.3 for example. Best practice: always backup! (when you connect to the camera via. ftp the first time). By back up I mean: take all the files that you can from the camera (all will not transfer). I even backed up my legit 2.8 (no hacks) before upgrading to 2.11 (no hacks).
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8214 on: April 13, 2017, 04:48:59 pm »
ok, err when you have a thread over 300 pages ling you don't assume that the first page still remaltes to the last :)
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8215 on: April 13, 2017, 04:49:58 pm »
First page has always been updated to reflect the current status of the hack. Mike seems to keep on top of it all

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8216 on: April 13, 2017, 04:50:26 pm »
here:

http://fubar.gr/hacking-the-flir-e4/


or google it. Firmware update to 2.11 will also work with the official Flir Tools. Make sure that the Battery is fully charged.


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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8217 on: April 13, 2017, 04:56:04 pm »
again given how long this has been going sometimes I worry I'm looking at out of date info and worry about dmaging the camera. What do you mean about it woring with official flir tools ? can I load the hack as an update ?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8218 on: April 13, 2017, 09:32:26 pm »
Ok, good news!

I took the E4 to the authorized Flir dealer here in Helsinki (Vantaa). The only thing I needed to provide was the calibration certificate (to show that the unit is under 2 years old). The technician said that he suspects that the fault is in the "detector matrix" and that is what is causing the "lazy pixel rows" in the screen. He said that this kind of a fault needs to be fixed at Flir Estonia or Flir Sweden factory.

Everything went under warranty and I will get the unit back in 1-2 weeks.  :phew:
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8219 on: April 13, 2017, 10:11:07 pm »
hopefully the old hardware rev. 1.2L . Flir do not produce the old hardware anymore. Now you will only get Hardware 2.0 with or without Wifi.


 

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« Reply #8220 on: April 13, 2017, 10:15:28 pm »
Hope so...  I'm hoping for component change vs. whole board. Is the 2.0 impossible to hack or is there some chance still?

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8221 on: April 14, 2017, 03:07:44 am »
amazon UK has a few 2016 units in stock. But not many... I think the market is empty.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8222 on: April 15, 2017, 02:03:06 am »
hi everyone. I just bought E4 with no wifi. But the info in camera says it's a 3.5.0 firmware. If i searching a firmware in the Flir site, i have info the 2.11.0 is the newest. If i try to use a flirtools, it say, you have newest firmware.
Anyone know how to make  E4+ from it? :-) Does i just need to downgrade to 2.11, at first ?
 

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« Reply #8223 on: April 15, 2017, 04:02:15 am »
I can't get my camera into RNDIS mode, it's stuck on "UVC and MSD"
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8224 on: April 15, 2017, 05:56:33 am »
@mario.ti


it is not possible to upgrade this model. It only works on hardware 1.2L


 


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