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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
238 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
425 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
43 (4.8%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
41 (4.5%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
158 (17.5%)

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Offline Mr. Scram

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8500 on: December 08, 2018, 11:49:33 pm »
Apologies if I'm asking for things that have been discussed too many times before, but I've scanned the last dozen or so pages of the thread and couldn't find the answers. Can the E4 now be unlocked from any firmware to full E8 specifications without any remaining limitations? And is the framerate always 9 Hz, or is that increased with the unlocking too?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8501 on: December 09, 2018, 07:57:14 pm »
Frame rate did not change, you may have to read a bit more than a dozen pages to know that.  As to firmware version you will have a better chance for an answer if ask about a particular version number.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8502 on: December 10, 2018, 08:20:03 pm »
Hy. Sorry for stupid question but i need answer. I have flir e4. So if i want inspect mobile phone pcb, I need macro lens, or i can use only focus tool( without macro lens). 
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8503 on: December 20, 2018, 09:22:17 am »
Hello to the lovers of Flir E4 thermal cam.

I just bought one :
E4 2.0L
with Software Version 3.13.0 NICE  |O
What are my possibility about hacking ?

I can access to the USB Mode choice, it is on UVC and MSD and i cannot change it to RNDIS nor anything else !

Could you help me about that ?
Can i downgrade to 2.3 ?
I have hardware to put the bios out  and a eeprom programmer, could i install a lower firmware like that ?

Thank you
« Last Edit: December 20, 2018, 10:00:43 am by WeKeys »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8504 on: December 20, 2018, 01:58:19 pm »
Frame rate did not change, you may have to read a bit more than a dozen pages to know that.  As to firmware version you will have a better chance for an answer if ask about a particular version number.
By now I read the frame rate discussion elsewhere, so I won't restart that one. It's a bit of silly limitation when equipment without the limitation is available freely from elsewhere, but it's what we'll have to deal with. Not agreeing with it doesn't change how things are.

I wasn't looking for a specific firmware version, I'm mostly just trying to figure out which versions are viable to buy and upgrade. I thought the issue with not being able to upgrade from some was fixed, but apparently it's not. That makes looking for a nice used unit slightly more complicated.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8505 on: December 20, 2018, 02:24:34 pm »
It is simply unrealistic that one person would know about upgradeabiliy status of every single firmware version.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8506 on: December 20, 2018, 02:33:06 pm »
It is simply unrealistic that one person would know about upgradeabiliy status of every single firmware version.
Not if all now happened to be upgradable, which they are apparently not. :) The firmware versions generally not being mentioned during sales further complicates things a bit, but at least I know not all versions might fly.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8507 on: December 20, 2018, 02:35:09 pm »
I just bought one :
E4 2.0L
with Software Version 3.13.0 NICE
You need to read the E4 WiFi thread for information on 3.13
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8508 on: December 21, 2018, 04:05:34 am »
I can't seem to find anyone in my situation on the forums,
I purchased a E4 secondhand (HW 1.1L SW 3.12), do I have any options for liberating it?
If so, what is my best route of action;
Downgrading it to SW 1.22 and applying the hack, or modifying it with 3.12 as seen with the 2.0L's?

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8509 on: December 21, 2018, 04:16:05 am »
Guess noone  knows, you will have to try it.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8510 on: December 21, 2018, 10:06:41 pm »
Similar situation here. I have an E5 1.2L (non-wifi) with 3.12.0. I want to try downgrading to 2.3.0 but unsure if this will brick the unit. Anyone tried this before?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8511 on: December 24, 2018, 12:05:13 am »
Need some help!   Bought a hacked E4 1.2L.  Didn't know anything about this stuff so thought I would update to 3. something via FLir tools.  My camera then looked like crap (stock). I think already at that point I was unable to take regular images (only thermal).  I noticed two files in the camera - the new 3.whatever and an old 2.3 so I used the manual update method to install the 2.3 via Flir tools and I think that's where I lost my center spot (but I never really paid attention) and ability to take any pictures at all.  I applied the resolution hack and resolution is great again (Let's make the E4 great again!) but I can't save any pictures.  Get an appcore.exe error every time I "pull the trigger"  Everything else seems okay.
Anyone in Ontario, Canada I can just send this to?  $$   or please help me other kind people. 
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8512 on: December 24, 2018, 02:55:15 am »
Since you have nothing to lose at this point, you can try updating back to the v3 that you did before, then perform a liberation  as per instructions in E4 WiFi thread for the v3.x you installed. I do not know if that will work or not, your decision.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8513 on: December 31, 2018, 11:42:06 pm »
Thank you, Chanc3.

If anyone else has a Bxxx/Txxx camera and want some help, just pm me

Hello, I have a Flir T630 camera to which I wanted to update the firmware but while updating it turned itself off and no longer rebooting, so I turned it on again and only appears thermal image on the screen with the start progress bar that seems fill up but it does not happen there. Any solution you can give me other than send it to the Flir service center?
I thank you in advance for the attention.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8514 on: December 31, 2018, 11:51:58 pm »
Thank you, Chanc3.

If anyone else has a Bxxx/Txxx camera and want some help, just pm me

Hello, I have a Flir T630 camera to which I wanted to update the firmware but while updating it turned itself off and no longer rebooting, so I turned it on again and only appears thermal image on the screen with the start progress bar that seems fill up but it does not happen there. Any solution you can give me other than send it to the Flir service center?
I thank you in advance for the attention.
Do you have a back up?

Can you still connect to the camera via ftp or Web interface?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8515 on: January 03, 2019, 03:20:37 pm »
Thanks Bud.  I've got as far as reverting the resolution hack (from the Fubar directions), updated to latest firmware with Flir Tools.  I still have no center point but I can now take thermal image pictures but not regular camera pictures.  I've started with the liberation and I'll continue that (maybe later today) but am I wasting my time if don't have the center point or camera pictures?  Or may the liberation fix that?   I do not have a backup from pre-flir tools update so as you said.....nothing to lose.   
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8516 on: January 03, 2019, 04:00:53 pm »
I do not know, try and see what you can get...
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8517 on: January 03, 2019, 07:28:13 pm »
I do not know, try and see what you can get...

Well, I have a usable camera.  I might try and tackle the resolution hack again later.  I believe I did the conf.cfc process correctly but when I uploaded, only had thermal (no measurements, center point and limited menu).  I uploaded the backed up conf.cfc and I have all my original hacked menu options back but without high res (at least I don't think I have the high res).  I didn't do anything from step 16 and I have the menu so the conf.cfc obviously kept setting from the previous hack.
Thanks for the help, I think that's all for now.  Dual pictures are working again so I can at least use it for work.  More tinkering will be done down the road.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8518 on: January 03, 2019, 07:42:04 pm »
 Make sure you uploaded the proper common_dll, check its time stamp on the camera. Do not keep the old common_dll, delete it from the camera after taking a backup copy. Make sure you only have one single cfc file in config folder, delete other cfc files from same folder, this is a common mistake.
Make sure you use the proper common_dll for your firmware version.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2019, 07:44:34 pm by Bud »
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8519 on: January 05, 2019, 03:17:01 am »
Make sure you uploaded the proper common_dll, check its time stamp on the camera. Do not keep the old common_dll, delete it from the camera after taking a backup copy. Make sure you only have one single cfc file in config folder, delete other cfc files from same folder, this is a common mistake.
Make sure you use the proper common_dll for your firmware version.
I think when I saved my serial number in the cfg file, I saved it by accident to a different folder.  Deleted the renamed dll file, corrected the cfc file and I'm back in business.    Thank You!!!!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8520 on: January 05, 2019, 03:47:01 am »
 :-+
So what firmware version are you running?
And did you use the Basic or Advanced liberation package?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8521 on: January 05, 2019, 03:57:47 am »
:-+
So what firmware version are you running?
And did you use the Basic or Advanced liberation package?
Specs: E4 1.2L  Firmware 3.12.0  Ran basic but didn't do anything other than res hack (didn't do step 16).  My basic menu hack was there (from when it was previously hacked?) once I ran it.
I don't really understand all this stuff in detail to explain exactly what I did (or didn't) do but I can follow directions well and it seemed to have worked out for me.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8522 on: January 06, 2019, 03:23:34 am »
Hello all,
A great post...
I've given a try with my E6 that I would like to "upgrade".
E6 has 2.11.0 firmware
Using windows 10
I ran Set_RNDIS_permament.fif, but when rebooting I got a serial COM3 port and not an IP network interface..
If I run again FLIRInstallNet.exe I do not see the camera anymore.

When I look to the FLIRInstallNet.exe  log file, I could see this

...
Installation file is C:\temp\FLIR_Hack\FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack\FLIRfif\Set_RNDIS_permament.fif
START file list
camera.cmd
Flashfs/system/appcore.d/factory.d/zrndis.rsc
...

Any idea to solve this ?
Thanks

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8523 on: January 06, 2019, 04:42:11 am »
Did you install Flir drivers?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8524 on: January 06, 2019, 05:03:42 am »
I used win7 with virtual machine, installed the driver and I could get into the camera by FTP. What a relief.
Updated my E6 camera v2.11 firmware, went OK ->

 = CONNECT TO FTP
 = CREATING BACKUP DIR backup-20190106053238
 = RETR /FlashBFS/system/common_dll.dll
 = RETR /FlashFS/system/appcore.d/config.d/conf.cfc
Applying 1 bytes of delta at 000053df
Applying 1 bytes of delta at 000af32f
Applying 1 bytes of delta at 0000042c
Applying 4331 bytes of delta at 0000045c
 * stopping application...
 *  uploading common_dll.dll to /FlashBFS/system/
 * failed (error_perm('550 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access).'
)).
 * attempt 2
 * failed (error_perm('550 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access).'
)).
 * attempt 3
 * failed (error_perm('550 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access).'
)).
 * attempt 4
 *  uploading conf.cfc to /FlashFS/system/appcore.d/config.d/
 * PLEASE HARD-REBOOT DEVICE.


But after reboot the camera IR image was stretched/scrambled.
I restored the backup files, the image is now Ok (to what it used to be)
Is it possible to update an E6 camera with  FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack.zip ?
I think to switch from 160x120 to 320x240 is worth.
Does the menu needs to be updated too ?

Rgds,

Edit : I seek for files regarding resolution improvement and I could not find anything for E6 ... this is bad. :-(
Edit 2 : Menu improvement works, taken files from e5, and renamed all.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2019, 05:22:25 pm by alphonse777 »
 


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