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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
237 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
423 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
42 (4.7%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
40 (4.4%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
158 (17.6%)

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Author Topic: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown  (Read 2616409 times)

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Offline jmaja

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8175 on: March 06, 2017, 06:01:26 pm »
Effort Vs Reward ;)

Yes! For E4 -> E8 the change was really big in performance and price. Also E4 was not that expensive. Hard to see so many trying to hack E75 to E95.

What is the consensus about hacked E4 vs. a real E8? Are they equal or do E8 have selected better quality sensors?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8176 on: March 06, 2017, 08:14:00 pm »
E8 is not a superior sensor. Configuration differences only.

E4 is upgraded to a configuration more capable than the E8 ! More menu options and noise generator switched off. Official E8 still has the artificial noise generator running.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8177 on: March 07, 2017, 09:20:27 pm »
I have 1.22 origin camera updated to 2.3. Hardware version 1.1
Did res hack by using 1.22 conf.cfc but menu hack did not.
i found that issue is in facet.rcc, design_ui, toolbar-config and presets files.
camera hangs when i try to use menu update files from 1.22 or 2.3 menu hack.
may i need a combination of these files?
can anybody help me pls?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8178 on: March 08, 2017, 01:02:51 am »
The update package from user janekivi included all necessary stuff for 2.3.0, though i do not know if it works for cameras upgraded from lower firmware versions.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8179 on: March 08, 2017, 05:26:58 pm »
I have an E4 Wifi on order, it is expected to ship 3/30. Does anyone have more information on the 2.5 firmware previously mentioned? When I receive the camera would anyone be interested in taking a look at the files though a program like teamviewer? Or I could upload them if you let me know which files to upload.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8180 on: March 15, 2017, 11:41:35 am »
Just received my new flir E4 with software 2.11. Without downgrading I followed the fubar procedure here http://fubar.gr/hacking-the-flir-e4/  substituting the script pack files FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack from 2lps here https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg921880/#msg921880

It worked great and I have full resolution and thermal noise removed and lots more menu options and features. I have not detected any issues. All menu features seem to be there and working. I especially like the 3 spots measurement feature.

Thank you very much to fubar and 2lps and to everyone else involved in setting up the scripts and files needed and working out the various improvements.

Changes were done on windows 7 64bit virtual machine on Virtualbox running on macosx hardware. Drivers were fine on windows 7 64bit. Only trick was trying to get Virtualbox to own the flir USB devices as macosx kept trying to mount the USB volume.

Notes for people running a similar virtualbox set up:

– connect the flir to the computer so Virtualbox can see that it exists, then go into the virtual machine settings to tell the virtual machine to own the device. This does not work instantly – you are just configuring it. Then try and unmount the drive in macosx and unplug the flir.
– I think I shut down windows at this point and quit Virtualbox. Might not be needed.
– Start Virtualbox and boot the windows virtual machine
– plug in the flir and windows should see it and install drivers
– once you go through the procedure to change to RNDIS mode, it is a different USB device so you will have to go through a similar procedure (adding the new device to the virtual machine config) to get Virtualbox and the windows virtual machine to own it. Less difficult this time because macosx is not trying to mount a USB drive.

Cheers,
Anthony

I received an E4 (obviously non wifi) with firmware 2.11 over the weekend and had a similar experience as Anthony here. Only difference is I used an old computer running Windows XP (non virtualized) to do the install. The only minor issue I had was after first switching the E4 to RNDIS mode, when I first turned it on it got hung trying to pick up an IP address. The XP command line interface completely locked up to where I couldn't even force quit out of it (this has happened on other occasions, don't think it was specifically because of the Flir). After around 10 minutes I finally decided to turn the E4 off and unplug the USB cable from it, and as soon as I did networking and the CLI became responsive again. After plugging the E4 back in I was able to continue on with the guide. All in all it only took about 30 minutes (even with the wasted 10 minutes of being hung up) and I have not had any issues with the Flir since (I did get 1 error on the Flir around an hour after completing the upgrade, but have seen others mention receiving the same error, and have not had it since).

Thanks to all who figured all this out.

Edit: Wanted to add that the message from this thread where the FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack file is supposed to be located (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg921880/#msg921880) seems to have been deleted. Sorry, I don't remember where exactly I got the FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack file from, but its definitely out there somewhere.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2017, 11:45:02 am by CustomEngineerer »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8181 on: March 15, 2017, 12:08:59 pm »
I have an E4 Wifi on order, it is expected to ship 3/30. Does anyone have more information on the 2.5 firmware previously mentioned? When I receive the camera would anyone be interested in taking a look at the files though a program like teamviewer? Or I could upload them if you let me know which files to upload.
I think a new thread would be appropriate for a significant new model variant.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8182 on: March 16, 2017, 03:45:31 pm »
I hacked my Flir E4 long time ago the resolution was upgraded so were the new menus the only thing is that the camera firmware stills said it is an E4 and not E8. Can that be fixed?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8183 on: March 16, 2017, 09:57:06 pm »
It is possible to change the ID from E4 to E8 but most owners do not bother. The camera still has E4 on its faceplate anyway.

The camera model ID is held is an eeprom chip that would need to be edited. IIRC the details are buried somewhere early in this thread when we were looking for possible ways to release the cameras full potential. It was a thought that the ID in the eeprom might set the capabilities but this is not the case as we now know.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8184 on: March 20, 2017, 01:31:31 pm »
I I have been trying to upgrade first gen i3 to an i7 per the pdf but it wont take . I am missing in the original config file some lines that it seems like other have. Example ".caps.config.image.settings.fpgaResolution.resIR int32 "
I have attached below the original file. any help would be great..

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 # ZCam Radiometric - Measurement active + 1 spot + no isotherm + no mbox
 # + radiometric store, compatible radiometric format
 #
.caps entry
.caps.config entry
.caps.config.name text "i3"
.caps.config.revision text "3.4"
.caps.config.image entry
.caps.config.image.sysimg entry
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs entry
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.mbox entry
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.mbox.enabled bool false
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.mbox.maxCount int32 0
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.spot entry
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.spot.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.spot.maxCount int32 1
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.isotherm entry
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.isotherm.enabled bool false
.caps.config.image.sysimg.measureFuncs.isotherm.maxCount int32 0
.caps.config.image.services entry
.caps.config.image.services.store entry
.caps.config.image.services.store.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.services.store.radiometric entry
.caps.config.image.services.store.radiometric.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.services.store.incompatible entry
.caps.config.image.services.store.incompatible.enabled bool false
.caps.config.image.services.store.incompatible.level int32 0
.caps.config.image.settings entry
.caps.config.image.settings.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.settings.resIR int32 60
.caps.config.hw entry
.caps.config.hw.sdcard entry
.caps.config.hw.sdcard.enabled bool true
 # ID xxxxxxxxxx
 # CRC01 xxxxxxxxx

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8185 on: April 01, 2017, 05:22:29 pm »
Hello guys.
I'm thinking about getting E4, and trying to figure out, how to determine which units are hackable and which not. One seller told me, that new cameras comes with 2.11. But are all of them hackable? Or maybe not hackable?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8186 on: April 01, 2017, 09:17:11 pm »
E4 up to 2016 model (no Wi-Fi). .......... yes
E4 2017 model with Wi-Fi ........ not known
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8187 on: April 04, 2017, 04:30:55 pm »
Please see thread: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e4-wifi-resolution-and-menu-hack-thread/ for information regarding FLIR E4 Wifi upgrade status.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8188 on: April 09, 2017, 07:25:28 am »
I'm pretty sure you don't actually need to decrypt the conf file on 1.22 - maybe that's why?

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8189 on: April 11, 2017, 11:21:00 pm »
I'm in the process of hacking my E4 from 2.8 to 2.3 and then hacking. I'm guessing from all the reading that this is the right route? Does anyone have a link to the 2.3 downgrade package? The link in the first page is not working anymore. After this I'm going to do the step-by-step 2.3 hack. This is also current stuff I believe?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8190 on: April 12, 2017, 12:03:57 am »
Update to my previous post. I'm referring to this post (link is not working anymore):

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg839561/#msg839561
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8191 on: April 12, 2017, 04:39:19 am »
Would there be any point in updating the 2.8 to 2.11 via. Flir Tools and then applying the 2.11 hack? Or should I just wait for someone to send the 2.8 to 2.3 downgrade file?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8193 on: April 13, 2017, 03:29:42 am »
Thanks a lot Xavier!

Is the 2.11 upgrade the same that Flir Tools offers as an update? If you want to manually update the firmware, how can it be done? I see no place to manually insert a firmware file?

Thanks again!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8194 on: April 13, 2017, 03:33:03 am »
yes, original Flir files.

You can also do it with Flir tools or manual with FLIRInstallNet.exe which is part of your Flir tools installation. Just search in the programm folder.

Switch to RNDIS mode before manually updating, otherwise it will take hours to complete!

Flir tools upgrade will switch automatically to temporary RNDIS mode.

Enjoy!
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8195 on: April 13, 2017, 03:38:25 am »
Thanks alot Xavier! You saved my day!

The only thing wrong with my E4 is that it seems to have some calibration problem? Sometimes vertical lines appear on the screen and when the unit self calibrates, the lines disappear. I have no idea why this is. Also before the capture-function (trigger) works I have to wait for like 5 mins (otherwise it says it can't find the memory card).

Some pictures of the issue: https://goo.gl/photos/TL43oRGJaUtYBjx98
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8196 on: April 13, 2017, 03:39:30 am »
Did you do a hard reset after upgrading?

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8197 on: April 13, 2017, 03:40:51 am »
Did a software factory reset, and removed battery waited for 2 min and put it back in (if this is hard reset?). Same problem was with 2.8 and now also with the 2.11
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8198 on: April 13, 2017, 03:42:18 am »
The camera reboots automatically after upgrade. KEEP it connected - FlirNetinstall.exe will finish the upgrade after reboot !

For the calibration issue, search in the forum. I might think I have read it before but never saw it on my camera.


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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8199 on: April 13, 2017, 03:43:03 am »
Ok, I will, thanks!
 


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