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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
238 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
425 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
43 (4.8%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
41 (4.5%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
158 (17.5%)

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Offline kaz911

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8400 on: January 20, 2018, 06:38:04 pm »
Has anyone here actually bricked their Flir?  Was recovery possible?  I'm not finding much.

FWIW, I see Flir has a new Exx series update:  2.27.15  dated Jan 17, 2018
http://80.77.70.144/SwDownload/app/RssSWDownload.aspx?ID=127

Wonder if that one is hack-proof?

The Exx series is not the E4 (which is the Ex series) - The Exx series are the bigger thermal cameras.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8401 on: January 20, 2018, 10:13:29 pm »
The new firmware release for the Exx series is interesting. The update is for the pre 2013 MK1 Exx series camera. FLIR effectively abandoned firmware development for the MK1 Exx cameras when they released the MK2 which uses a different firmware type.

I heard about the update to the firmware recently via another post. The previous 'final release' for the MK1 was 2.23 and that was excellent as it was unencrypted, contained the full service menu, and is open to upgrade. FLIR released a new firmware for the MK1 titled 2.26 in September 2017. Why ? I suspect someone decided it might be time to close the door on the MK1 upgrade route ? Now they have released 2.27 this month. Weird, very weird. Either 2.26 was buggy, or it did not achieve the desired result. I very much doubt FLIR would invest time and money on a new firmware for the MK1 Exx cameras as they are now old and FLIR would wish owners to buy new cameras. This leaves the incentive of blocking the upgrade of the older cameras that would give them a new 'lease of life' for current owners. No need to buy a new, higher resolution camera. All this is total speculation on my part though.

I cannot see a good reason to upgrade from firmware 2.23 to 2.26 or 2.27 as 2.23 is stable, very capable and contains the service menu.

Why am I saying all this on the E4 teardown thread ? Well the Exx series cameras have always shared this thread due to the similarity in the upgrade process and shared firmware. What recent events for the MK1 Exx camera firmware seems to indicate is that FLIR are still diverting resources into potentially making the upgrade of their cameras harder for us.

With regard to bricking a camera....... yes it is definitely possible and whether it is a recoverable situation depends upon what has been done to its file system. No full OS/firmware installation exists outside FLIR so killing critical files that prevent the camera booting normally means a repair fee at FLIR for a full software/firmware rebuild. That rebuild will use the latest firmware version FLIR has available.

Fraser
« Last Edit: January 20, 2018, 10:17:40 pm by Fraser »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8402 on: January 21, 2018, 04:41:30 am »
Well it was their upgrade process that hosed mine, so danged if I'm paying them to make it right.  Just sayin'.

So I do that and it comes back with 2.27: Will I be able to roll it back?

I've never quite understood companies that get all wigged out by people hacking on their products.  It gets people engaged with Flir things, and probably barely cannibalizes new sales or upselling.  Sure, it probably creates a better market and longer lives for their used gear and that probably costs them some new equipment sales.  But then they have a bigger installed base and more Flir aficionados.  That's overall a positive thing methinks.

I know I lucked out and found a great deal on an E30... but I was most certainly not going to go out and buy an E60.  But if a business needs an E60, how often is buying and hacking a lesser device really considered an option?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8403 on: February 19, 2018, 07:37:53 pm »
Hello there,

is there a way to get 640x480 or 800x600 IR final jpg shoot using an (hacked) E4 ?
« Last Edit: February 20, 2018, 03:17:38 am by arrakys »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8404 on: February 19, 2018, 10:58:08 pm »
is there a way to get 650x480 or 800x600 IR final jpg shoot using an (hacked) E4 ?

No.
The sensor is 320x240 and the firmware does not allow upscaling.
The best you can do is to set the JPEG quality to 100%.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8405 on: February 21, 2018, 06:24:10 am »
:/

thanks for quick answer.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8406 on: February 21, 2018, 10:29:50 pm »
I think these Flir E4 factory calibration pictures has not been posted before.
There was more but I lost them.
 
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8407 on: February 21, 2018, 11:19:02 pm »
Very interesting to see these. Thank you for sharing.
I have not previously seen the multi spot and high Delta T tests  :-+

Fraser
« Last Edit: February 23, 2018, 06:00:08 am by Fraser »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8408 on: February 23, 2018, 05:09:23 am »
many thanks !

to those who could be interested, get a look here or here !
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8409 on: March 01, 2018, 10:54:15 pm »
Hi,

I have purchased modified E4 and it is great, so much better than my seek thermal xr or standard version. It would be perfect if it does not reset every few power ups with message that device has unsupported software for personal learning.  Is there any way to make this stop appearing? It take longer to boot when it happen and reset all the settings too. 
Cheers
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8410 on: March 02, 2018, 01:57:40 am »
You had a nerve to buy a camera that clearly said was not for resell?

Longer boot and settings reset have nothing to do with the modification. It seems you describing the normal camera behaviour when it goes to Sleep vs Power Off. Short press on the power button puts camera to Sleep, and it wakes up fast (this is wake up, not boot). If the camera stays in Sleep for several hours it will power itself down, and next press of the power button will cause it to boot. Also long press on the power button (~6sec) will power the camera off (not Sleep). Some settings like camera mode may reset during boot but not all as you say. If hou have settings like time/date or C/F reset you may have a problem with your camera ( modification has nothing to do with that)
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8411 on: March 02, 2018, 02:25:48 am »
Thanks Bud,

I wasn't aware of that and it does explain a lot cheers.
It is the best toy I ever had :) next one will be E60 or E95 wish :)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8412 on: March 11, 2018, 07:27:34 am »
Hi peeps. I aquired a second hand E4 with 2.11.0 firmware and of course one reason to get that exact model, was to hack it.

I looked around, and saw that first post by mike refers me to this post regarding how to go about it:
 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg921880/#msg921880

I downloaded the FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack.zip from 2lps and followed the guide on fubar.gr

I tried doing the hack on an old laptop with a clean install of Windows XP SP3 (32 Bit)

Enabling RNDIS went perfect, and I did a full backup of it's filesystem with Filezilla afterwards.

Trying to apply the FLIRreshack fails, though  :-\

Code: [Select]
= CONNECT TO FTP
 = CREATING BACKUP DIR backup-20180310203728
 = RETR /FlashBFS/system/common_dll.dll
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "apply.py", line 90, in <module>
    assert found, "UNKNOWN %s: digest/len is %s" % (name, h)
AssertionError: UNKNOWN common_dll.dll: digest/len is a852f8b2c161b925545204b18f
8622c446ff0a024ed4fd76ef2953283a38a99b


As the camera is second hand i don't know about it's "upgrade-history". It did came with Calibration certificate stating March 10, 2014, so it's quite an old model i have.

Anyone here that can kick me in the right direction on how to approach this?

Thanks in advance!

// Per.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8413 on: March 11, 2018, 07:52:30 am »
If you can provide the hardware version details from the camera information page, it will help us determine which firmware your camera shipped with. Someone may have installed 2.11 as part of a failed hack attempt. We have seen this before and such can cause issues with applying an automated upgrade.

Fraser
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8414 on: March 16, 2018, 07:40:37 pm »
Hi Fraser. Thank you for responding  ;D

The camera information on my device says this:

Model E4 1.1L
Serial number 63918071
Part number 63901-0101
Software 1.22.0

Let me know if you need any other information to help me out.

Thanks!

// Per.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8415 on: March 22, 2018, 01:35:38 am »
Hello. I have a flir e6 upgraded camera and I lost the original file and I would like to make firmware 3.9 to apply the bud upgrade (medical pallets, time lapse, etc.) The installed  FW is 1.22.0. Can anyone help with the original backup?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8416 on: March 22, 2018, 02:57:54 am »
Zapro,

I have checked on your camera.

It was calibrated on 11 March 2014 and contained Firmware 1.22 at the time of calibration. Your camera should be upgradable using the standard firmware 1.22 process.

Kind Regards

Fraser
« Last Edit: March 22, 2018, 02:59:32 am by Fraser »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8417 on: March 22, 2018, 03:47:57 am »
Thanks for replying. The camera is already upgraded (2014 using TIConfig) but I want to install Bud upgrade.I read that I should install the original software (which I do not have), upgrade to 3.12, downgrade to 3.9 and I just upgrade Bud. If I upgrade Bud's  to the already upgraded camera, are not I likely to block it?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8418 on: March 22, 2018, 05:11:58 am »
Misu,

Sorry I was replying to a previous question in this thread from Zapro regarding difficulty in upgrading a camera.

With your camera I am sadly unable to comment as upgrading it to firmware 3.9 is not something I am familiar with.

Fraser
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8419 on: March 22, 2018, 05:24:48 am »
Sorry i insist. can i officially upgrade using flir tools without locking the camera?
or what method do you recommend to return to the official firmware (in future I want to send the metrological verification room).
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8420 on: March 23, 2018, 07:33:48 am »
Zapro,
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Your camera should be upgradable using the standard firmware 1.22 process.

Hi again.

I installed a fresh version of Windows 7 32bit on a laptop today- trying windows 7 this time, because maybe there was something awry with that XP ...

I followed the guide over at Fubar.gr and used the FLIR_E4_2.11.0_hack.7z pack here from EEVBLOG, and everything goes to plan (Enabling RNDIS, Backing up all data with Filezilla)
But, progress fails at "Flirreshack" once again.
Code: [Select]
= CONNECT TO FTP
 = CREATING BACKUP DIR backup-20180322212511
 = RETR /FlashBFS/system/common_dll.dll
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "apply.py", line 90, in <module>
    assert found, "UNKNOWN %s: digest/len is %s" % (name, h)
AssertionError: UNKNOWN common_dll.dll: digest/len is a852f8b2c161b925545204b18f
8622c446ff0a024ed4fd76ef2953283a38a99b

Byte-for-byte, it's the exact same error as i got on the XP-machine.
As i'm no expert on Python, nor ever coded any of it, i have no idea of where to go look.

Now what? Anything simple i may have overlooked?

Thanks,
Per.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8421 on: March 25, 2018, 04:20:46 am »
Hi,

I have applied the resolution and menu hack from Fubar:s guide about a year ago and as I connected the camera to my pc after a long time I noticed Flir Tools was suggesting an update which I didn't make but was wondering if there is a newer hacked version after the 26 Dec 2016 update that Mike has posted on the first page.

Thanks Oscar
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8422 on: March 25, 2018, 07:27:56 am »
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8423 on: March 27, 2018, 10:30:25 pm »
Hello. I got a camera E4. Can I hack it or did I get an inappropriate version?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2018, 04:18:40 am by benifer »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8424 on: March 28, 2018, 01:16:55 am »
Yes it can be hacked. Look at the first post in this long thread for the required links. Firmware 2.1 has issues so I recommend that you upgrade it to firmware 2.3, but no higher version, then hack it as a FW2.3 camera. Someone on here can hopefully provide the version 2.3 firmware file, as FLIR no longer offer it.

Fraser
« Last Edit: March 28, 2018, 04:55:04 am by Fraser »
 


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