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Offline Mikesus

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1925 on: November 28, 2013, 04:02:44 pm »
Also, what is the name of the drive?  I noticed that it says untitled and pretty sure that it didn't before...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1926 on: November 28, 2013, 04:34:23 pm »
interesting... Version.rsc has serial and a CRC...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1927 on: November 28, 2013, 04:35:43 pm »
so here the E60 files I used for my E30, pw funzt666

but remember do it by your own risk, I had some bad starts with my new E60, but together we will win! :-DD
So if you need more please ask!

E30 has same components inside, WLAN and bluetooth is on board!!!
So it regognize my WLAN android hotspot, but FLIR mobile doesnt see my cam :-//
Im not ready with it, ...

but good news: it works as good as the orig E60 I have rent :-+
 
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1928 on: November 28, 2013, 04:37:57 pm »
Also, what is the name of the drive?  I noticed that it says untitled and pretty sure that it didn't before...
The user drive is \FlashIFS, though I have occasionally seen it get mounted as FlashIFS2 - I think this was when service mode was active.
If you're not seeing this from FTP this would explain why saving isn't working
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1929 on: November 28, 2013, 04:39:25 pm »
Interesting... When I first started FlashIFS was there... Now its not... Trying to recreate it now...
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1930 on: November 28, 2013, 04:45:20 pm »
so here the E60 files I used for my E30, pw funzt666

but remember do it by your own risk, I had some bad starts with my new E60, but together we will win! :-DD
So if you need more please ask!

E30 has same components inside, WLAN and bluetooth is on board!!!
So it regognize my WLAN android hotspot, but FLIR mobile doesnt see my cam :-//
Im not ready with it, ...

but good news: it works as good as the orig E60 I have rent :-+

Any chance you'll open the cam an make some pics and note the part#? :)

@flirtools: I think they detect compatible cameras by type/name

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1931 on: November 28, 2013, 04:46:20 pm »
Interesting... When I first started FlashIFS was there... Now its not... Trying to recreate it now...
Could be some corruption - might be worth renaming FlashIFS and creating a new one - renaming may be safer if contents are corrupt.

Remember FlashIFS will disappear when you connect with MSD, and will take a few secs to re-mount when USB is unplugged or USB mode changed
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1932 on: November 28, 2013, 04:47:29 pm »
Mike - I think you are onto something... FlashIFS is not there and when I created the directory, it got deleted...


When I look now its not there at all in Filezilla...

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1933 on: November 28, 2013, 04:49:19 pm »
E60+ WLAN works now :-+
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1934 on: November 28, 2013, 05:00:03 pm »
Interesting... When I first started FlashIFS was there... Now its not... Trying to recreate it now...
Could be some corruption - might be worth renaming FlashIFS and creating a new one - renaming may be safer if contents are corrupt.

Remember FlashIFS will disappear when you connect with MSD, and will take a few secs to re-mount when USB is unplugged or USB mode changed

Got it recreated, no joy... Wondering what the contents of flashIFS are vs what you see when you MSD...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1935 on: November 28, 2013, 05:12:31 pm »
Interesting... When I first started FlashIFS was there... Now its not... Trying to recreate it now...
Could be some corruption - might be worth renaming FlashIFS and creating a new one - renaming may be safer if contents are corrupt.

Remember FlashIFS will disappear when you connect with MSD, and will take a few secs to re-mount when USB is unplugged or USB mode changed

Got it recreated, no joy... Wondering what the contents of flashIFS are vs what you see when you MSD...
FlashIFS should be the same as what you see via MSD, which is also what you see via the virtual drive that Flir's toolbar util sets up when the unit is in RNDIS mode.
Actually I wonder if this could be an issue - if this util is running may be worth trying stopping it, though AFAIK it's just an FTP link so shouldn't stop normal FTP via RNDIS working.
There is a utility in wither Windows of FlashBFS\system that will show some info about the flash filesystem - don't recall the name but it is fairly obvious - may be worth trying this (via telnet console)
Console may also be a more reliable place to look at directories, attributes etc.
 
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1936 on: November 28, 2013, 05:21:02 pm »
Interesting... When I first started FlashIFS was there... Now its not... Trying to recreate it now...
Could be some corruption - might be worth renaming FlashIFS and creating a new one - renaming may be safer if contents are corrupt.

Remember FlashIFS will disappear when you connect with MSD, and will take a few secs to re-mount when USB is unplugged or USB mode changed

Got it recreated, no joy... Wondering what the contents of flashIFS are vs what you see when you MSD...
FlashIFS should be the same as what you see via MSD, which is also what you see via the virtual drive that Flir's toolbar util sets up when the unit is in RNDIS mode.
Actually I wonder if this could be an issue - if this util is running may be worth trying stopping it, though AFAIK it's just an FTP link so shouldn't stop normal FTP via RNDIS working.
There is a utility in wither Windows of FlashBFS\system that will show some info about the flash filesystem - don't recall the name but it is fairly obvious - may be worth trying this (via telnet console)
Console may also be a more reliable place to look at directories, attributes etc.

Ok, that seems to be the issue.  What I see via MSD is not the same.

AND any attempt to recreate FlashIFS is not sticking...
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1937 on: November 28, 2013, 05:50:36 pm »
I wonder if any distributors will have Black Friday discounts tomorrow.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1938 on: November 28, 2013, 06:05:38 pm »
Wondering if it had a hardware prob to start...


Now its stuck on the flir startup screen and won't do anything... ARGH...
« Last Edit: November 28, 2013, 06:25:46 pm by Mikesus »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1939 on: November 28, 2013, 06:15:55 pm »
A bit more info about the defective camera.. I let it sit overnight and this morning noticed that when it first starts up, there isn't as much of a temperature gradient problem.  I took a snap when it started up and once a minute for the first 5 minutes.  You can see that the gradient forms when its internal electronics begin heating up.  This time, the inner aperture moved a bit and the gradient is now top to bottom.
These are all with the cover closed and the unit sitting still.
I'm curious to see what someone else's model does in the first 5 minutes of startup after sitting several hours to cool off.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2013, 06:21:36 pm by cuisinart »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1940 on: November 28, 2013, 06:26:05 pm »
I got a message today: New FLIR Tools Version
Should we be worried?

In the "read more..." link: <li>Camera update (applies to FLIR Ex, Kxx, Exx and T6xx series only).
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1941 on: November 28, 2013, 06:31:56 pm »
Just seen the same. Would they dare implement an auto firmware update ???
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1942 on: November 28, 2013, 07:10:03 pm »
I got a message today: New FLIR Tools Version
Should we be worried?
Well, try out and tell us  >:D >:D
... just kidding ... why risk something? Old Flir tools are working fine.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2013, 07:15:38 pm by PeterK13 »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1943 on: November 28, 2013, 07:44:57 pm »
A bit more info about the defective camera.. I let it sit overnight and this morning noticed that when it first starts up, there isn't as much of a temperature gradient problem.  I took a snap when it started up and once a minute for the first 5 minutes.  You can see that the gradient forms when its internal electronics begin heating up.  This time, the inner aperture moved a bit and the gradient is now top to bottom.
These are all with the cover closed and the unit sitting still.
I'm curious to see what someone else's model does in the first 5 minutes of startup after sitting several hours to cool off.

That camera is defective.

There is no temperature gradient on my E4 and the display stays a nice even orange colour when the camera is in auto mode. When looking for temperature drift it is best to use a very small span such as 2 or 4 degrees Celsius. $ 4 degrees can be achieved on an E4 with upgraded menus offering manual span. I find Auto mode sticks to large spans of 8 Degrees or more. If yo are seeing gradient drift at wider spans, it will be truly awful at 4 degrees span.

As I previously stated, I recommend you exchange your unit ASAP.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1944 on: November 28, 2013, 07:46:02 pm »
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I got a message today: New FLIR Tools Version
Should we be worried?

This is one of those times where you should actually read (I know) the EULA. If the new version is going to automatically update firmware files on your camera, you'll have to agree to it somewhere for legal purposes
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1945 on: November 28, 2013, 07:52:02 pm »
I am not going to update anything with this camera.  No sense in chancing it.
Camera works just fine the way it is as an E4/8
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1946 on: November 28, 2013, 07:52:32 pm »
I got a message today: New FLIR Tools Version
Should we be worried?
Well, try out and tell us  >:D >:D
... just kidding ... why risk something? Old Flir tools are working fine.
True :) It would be way out of my league to mess with software on this level. I didn't save the complete ZIP of the last version but the new one's got a "terminatetrueupdate.exe" and it scares the crap out of an amateur like me.
 

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AW: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1947 on: November 28, 2013, 08:01:52 pm »
I'm very interested to get time-lapse working. I have some strings seen in the firmware. Has the E60 this feature?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1948 on: November 28, 2013, 08:18:14 pm »
For those of you who imported a camera to your country via a third party (friend/shipping agent etc.) - have you registered your purchase with Flir?

I haven't done so yet but I'm wondering if there will be any 'complications'.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1949 on: November 28, 2013, 08:32:23 pm »
Hoping that they don't ding me too bad on the repair for mine... :(  Dunno if the dog yanking the cord was the issue or not, but can't just straight up claim warranty...

Lesson learned.. No picture transfers near the pooch...  (he is a tad rambunctious and got tangled in the usb when he jumped up on the couch  |O
« Last Edit: November 28, 2013, 08:38:40 pm by Mikesus »
 


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