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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
238 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
425 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
43 (4.8%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
41 (4.5%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
158 (17.5%)

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Offline janekivi

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6675 on: February 13, 2015, 09:35:43 am »
Yes, camera is slower now while resource tree is much longer now. And I have seen lag in
archive too. Everywhere is more information now and booting take longer time. After all is
readed, camera seems to run fine.
Second thing I saw here is some feel like noise is back and picture is not sharp. This is because
of new look. You can see more now and palettes bring out more contrast. I see lines like here:

http://www.flir.com/thermography/americas/us/view/?id=65982
Uncooled Thermal Camera Image of Handprint on Wall - Initial Image

But real noise you can see here
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg588471/#msg588471
and here
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg589550/#msg589550
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6676 on: February 13, 2015, 10:17:12 am »
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Second thing I saw here is some feel like noise is back and picture is not sharp

Its depends on what you are imaging, a object with high contrast looks sharper, the image of the lace curtain is 100% 320x240 IR image, no MSX or other tricks, it looks really sharp, the focus was adjusted for close-up (25 cm) the background is cold and thus black.
The other image is my PC desk, monitor, keyboard, mouse... the focus was adjusted for this distance, still the image looks not sharp, just poor.

Garrett
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6677 on: February 13, 2015, 10:39:59 am »
Since I have a interest in having a TIC from Flir I get numerous Google ads from FLUKE thermal imaging devices on almost all other websites I visit...
When will this stop Mr FLUKE?

Garrett
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6678 on: February 13, 2015, 02:56:51 pm »
If anyone else is having issues with getting strange IP addresses (instead of 192.168.0.2) and not being able to communicate with the camera anymore when connecting to a PC... Uninstalling and re-installing the FLIR device driver has solved the issue for me
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6679 on: February 14, 2015, 02:18:13 am »
Another successful 2.3.0 upgrade.

Started on a Win8 64-bit. Could only set the RNDIS to permanent, after hours of trying and still no connection I almost gave up.
Tried on another Win8 32-bit, with totally different hardware to no avail. The RNDIS interface never connected with the FLIR correctly.

Had to use an 'old' win7 32bit laptop. That really went smooth. Installed drivers and python, connected the camera and got a new network.
Local IP: 192.168.1.1
Flir IP: 192.168.1.2.

Backup everything with Filezila, run the resolution patch and done.
The IP's are slightly different from the 192.168.0.1 range. Reason is the thing is smart enough to recognize that range was already in use.



 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6680 on: February 14, 2015, 08:47:02 am »
Hi all,

After spending several hours studying in this forum, getting excited and after an order at Amazon, I'm a proud owner of a FLIR E4. It's running the latest FW V2.3.0 and the V0.4 Resolution Update worked perfectly. Absolutely stunning!

However, I'm having troubles with the 2.3.0 Menu 2014 update. The enhanced menu does not work properly (no PIP, ZOOM and improved measurement) and most importantly I keep getting the following error when I run the python script:

Applying 5178 bytes of delta at 000004d8
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "menu_conf.py", line 12, in <module>
    assert len(d) == len(delta)
AssertionError

I tried to factory reset the E4 and start from scratch again with the resolution hack and then menu hack. I'm using the conf.cfc file from AFTER the resolution hack as instructed.

Any ideas what goes wrong?

Thanks in advance!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6681 on: February 14, 2015, 10:04:09 am »
Anyone knows how to remove the battery from the bottom battery and cap housing??

I am thinking of modding it to either upgrade to a higher cap battery or allowing a simple drop-in battery compartment

I've tried removing according to the youtube video but it looks easier than it is

Anyone???
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6682 on: February 14, 2015, 02:06:12 pm »
  File "menu_conf.py", line 12, in <module>
    assert len(d) == len(delta)
AssertionError
Right conf is in \FlashFS\system\appcore.d\config.d and lenght is 6608
What you have in C:\python27 directory?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6683 on: February 14, 2015, 02:47:39 pm »
Anyone knows how to remove the battery from the bottom battery and cap housing??

I am thinking of modding it to either upgrade to a higher cap battery or allowing a simple drop-in battery compartment

I've tried removing according to the youtube video but it looks easier than it is

Anyone???

Puling straight up didn't work but pushing on the rounded side near the top to rotate the battery made it come right off.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6684 on: February 14, 2015, 06:32:23 pm »
Funny, there is a torrent.d folder on the flir  :o
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6685 on: February 14, 2015, 09:22:25 pm »
@Mike
@Taucher
@DaveWB
@Aurora
@compet17
@gemrough
@janekivi
and because I certainly forgot someone important
@all those that have contributed and still continue to support us

THANK YOU :-+  :clap: 

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6686 on: February 15, 2015, 02:36:34 am »
  File "menu_conf.py", line 12, in <module>
    assert len(d) == len(delta)
AssertionError
Right conf is in \FlashFS\system\appcore.d\config.d and lenght is 6608
What you have in C:\python27 directory?

... of course I was using the a conf from the wrong directory  :palm: All is good now.

Many thanks, janekivi !!!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6687 on: February 15, 2015, 04:52:17 am »

Puling straight up didn't work but pushing on the rounded side near the top to rotate the battery made it come right off.

thanks man, I struggled with it and managed to get it off.

though it decided to pry a section of my fingernail off along with it.


I found this hourglass shaped rubber grommet that fell out, is that needed?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6688 on: February 15, 2015, 09:44:52 am »
Now I have 360x280 resolution @ infinity  ;D
(no grammatical errors this time?)

Grammatical I don't think so. On the other hand you have achieved E9 resolution  ;)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6689 on: February 15, 2015, 09:12:40 pm »
and yet another 2.3 upgraded :)

Had similar issues as Swake. Started the upgrade on a Win7 Pro (64) (1 of 2). After running permanent.fif, ipconfig only showed 169.254.x.x, 255.255.0.0.

Second machine tried was Win 8.1 (64) ipconfig gave same results after again releasing and renewing, also went as far as killing ipv6 on both the 1st and 2nd machine.

Beginning to think it was bricked at this point.

Three hours later achieved success on the third machine Win7 Pro (64)(2 of 2). I did not kill ipv6. I did not install Flir Tools, I only installed 32bit Flir drivers on this 3rd (64bit) machine. Ran ipconfig, after driver install, with 192.168.0.2 showing went right to Filezilla for immediate backup.


The res hack its..its....sooo pretty.

Many thanks to all participants of the discussion and EEVBlog.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6690 on: February 16, 2015, 08:23:12 am »
If you are interested in BFIC, here is new version.

You can correct wrong MSX alignment, you can put measure points on image. There will be areas with min/max/avg and batch export to csv soon. Also I do plan to make it work with Flir tools.




What are next news ???

- You can load any plain JPG and treat it as a regular thermal image
- You can open ISI images (Snapshot 525)
- Working on Fluke IS2, BMT and new FLIR BMP images - will be soon

I am also about to get rid of convert utility, which is causing problems on 32 bit systems.

Any inputs are appreciated. This tool is not dead at all :) I am just too busy with other projects.

DOWNLOAD ----> http://test.daves.cz/wrapper/wrapper.zip (about 12MB - it contains utils)
Batch Thermal Images Editor (JPG, BMT, SNP, IRI, ISI, IS2, PGM, TIF, IMG, BMP):  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg350556/#msg350556
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6691 on: February 16, 2015, 10:00:09 am »
Any inputs are appreciated.

OK, since you asked...
 :)

The temperature picker in Editor causing the app to crash when moved to the left top corner. Tested several times, the error seems reproducable. Win7 x64/Intel here with 32Gb Nvidia graphics.

And by the way, would be nice the picker label to change from above  to below the probe line as it approaches top and right corners of the picture so it does not go outside of the picture frame boundaries where it is not possible to read it.
Thank you for your efforts!
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6692 on: February 16, 2015, 10:10:26 am »
A new discovery here.

I put RNDIS mode command in the config file:

.system entry
.system.usbmode text "RNDIS"

With that the camera now boots every time to RNDIS mode, even with zrndis.rsc file removed.
The only way to switch it to USB was to remove the above two lines from the conf file.

Not sure how useful that is but anyway, interesting to know.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6693 on: February 16, 2015, 11:05:00 am »
@daves,

You have my sincere thanks for your work.

I have a Snapshot 525 camera but could not lay my hands on any software to read the files that it produced. Do you have a Snapshot 525? Did you get the original software? If so I would love to obtain a copy (its freeware but now unavailable).

Keep up the good work and thank you again.

Aurora
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6694 on: February 16, 2015, 01:36:56 pm »
I managed to dismantle the battery but not to sure if it's possible to replace the batt with a higher capacity 18650

Am i right to say the PCB at the top of the battery is the charging PCB?

Also, there are 3 pins, pos, neg and TH. What's the TH for?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6695 on: February 16, 2015, 02:25:04 pm »
Suggest you take a look at my 'E4 useful information' thread on this forum.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/flir-e4-the-useful-information-thread/msg374200/#msg374200

TH is the thermistor connection (10K NTC)

PCB on top of cell is the protection circuit and not a charger.

Somewhere in this teardown thread you will find details of upgrading the standard cell to a higher capacity.

Aurora
« Last Edit: February 16, 2015, 02:50:28 pm by Aurora »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6696 on: February 17, 2015, 12:12:39 pm »
Do you have a Snapshot 525?
No, I just had a request to read ISI images and user sent me sample photos.
Batch Thermal Images Editor (JPG, BMT, SNP, IRI, ISI, IS2, PGM, TIF, IMG, BMP):  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg350556/#msg350556
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6697 on: February 17, 2015, 12:53:57 pm »
@daves,

Ah OK, No worries. Thank you very much for providing the ISI file read capability  :-+

Aurora
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6698 on: February 17, 2015, 08:56:32 pm »
OK almost there. ran janeviki's python menu script and get a new .cfc file named "conf_reso_only.cfc" Do i need to change the name of the file to conf.cfc before replacing the .cfc file in the camera.
Thanks
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6699 on: February 17, 2015, 09:53:50 pm »
OK almost there. ran janeviki's python menu script and get a new .cfc file named "conf_reso_only.cfc" Do i need to change the name of the file to conf.cfc before replacing the .cfc file in the camera.
Thanks

No, the conf_reso_only.cfc is your backup-file.. You have to load the new made conf.cfc into the camera. :P
 


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