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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
237 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
423 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
42 (4.7%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
40 (4.4%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
158 (17.6%)

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Offline Chanc3

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7475 on: December 05, 2015, 01:33:45 am »
Thanks Chanc3

I may be being a bit dim today (or one of my senior moments). But how do I define a Fixed TEMP as the underflow and overflow points?

To me it seems, it will still use the range which is being decided  on by the camera, as opposed to me having fixed the range in the actual palette.

At a guess I don't understand what all the parameters are doing!!

You need to look at it this way:

Range - The minimum to maximum temperatures the camera can detect (in most cases it's -30°C to 160°C)
Level - What the user has set the camera to, e.g. 10-25°C
Span - is the difference, so with the example above, it is 15°C

You won't be able to change the range to anything other than the preset ranges, most cameras have two, some 1, few have 3.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7476 on: December 05, 2015, 01:55:05 am »
Thanks for the clarification. Is it therefore possible to fix the level in the palette?

As mentioned I would like to store a set level in the camera of +25 to +125 for electronics testing but every time I switch the camera off, I need to go back and maually set it again.

Thanks in advance
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7477 on: December 05, 2015, 03:28:32 am »
Thanks for the clarification. Is it therefore possible to fix the level in the palette?

As mentioned I would like to store a set level in the camera of +25 to +125 for electronics testing but every time I switch the camera off, I need to go back and maually set it again.

Thanks in advance

I don't think .PAL files actually contain any temp data or set values like that in them.

The palette is dynamic and will always change depending on what your looking at unless you lock the temperature scale into a manual mode.

Unfortunately FLIR decided to clear manual mode when you suspend or power off Ex cameras. (likely to aid in usability for simpler users - "ahhh I messed something up" - rebooted/fixed)

This seems to me like a coded function so it does not look like there is a way to stop it via config files. (Some one else should check - I didn't look hard)

However there is software that I have seen on this form that looks like it could quickly set the values if you have your E4 connected to a PC. (most things can be controlled via telnet if you do your homework)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7478 on: December 05, 2015, 07:58:43 am »
Hi Orby,

Do you mean that by using telnet I can permanently change the level or just that I can do it manually everytime but a bit quicker. AS the unit is moved round the wor karea, keeping it tied to a PC is a no-go.

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7479 on: December 05, 2015, 08:20:40 am »
Hi Orby,

Do you mean that by using telnet I can permanently change the level or just that I can do it manually everytime but a bit quicker. AS the unit is moved round the wor karea, keeping it tied to a PC is a no-go.

Not perm - just quicker manually.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7480 on: December 06, 2015, 06:58:51 am »
That's a shame. Permanent would have been so much nicer.....  :)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7481 on: December 06, 2015, 07:16:19 am »
Hello
someone managed to unlock firmware 2.8.0?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7482 on: December 06, 2015, 07:27:37 am »
I own a Flir E6 and it would be nice, to also have the 320x240 Resolution. I managed to downgrade to 2.3.0 but now, i dont have the matching conf.cfc Delta-File. I didn't read all the 499 pages. So, did someone had success with an Flir E6?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7483 on: December 06, 2015, 10:04:44 am »
Hi,

I did not like the resolution of my E4->E8 device.
I returned it after reversing it back to the original E4.

Now I got a therm-app. Much nicer!!!! Higher resolution, better germanium lens than an E8 (hacked E4) and that for the price of a E4.

Have a look at https://www.flickr.com/groups/therm-app-users/discuss/
« Last Edit: December 06, 2015, 10:07:29 am by Blue »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7484 on: December 06, 2015, 03:37:12 pm »
I own a Flir E6 and it would be nice, to also have the 320x240 Resolution. I managed to downgrade to 2.3.0 but now, i dont have the matching conf.cfc Delta-File. I didn't read all the 499 pages. So, did someone had success with an Flir E6?
Downgrade? Did the unit have 2.8.0? Yes E6 has been done.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7485 on: December 07, 2015, 01:18:38 am »
Yes, i downgraded it with the official 2.3.0 Firmware files and the included manual. Before, it was 2.8.0. Menu hack is working, But for the res-hack i need the E6 specific diff of the config file.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7486 on: December 07, 2015, 03:44:49 am »
matmoe ? Where you can download the 2.3.0 firmware downgrade E4?
Thank you
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7487 on: December 07, 2015, 05:27:57 am »
The Filename is "flir_ex_pn639_v2.3.0_update_pack.zip" and i think, i downloaded it with the Flir Tools Software. I used it to downgrade my E6, so i dont know if its working with all Ex based cameras (Manaul says: This Notice to customer applies to FLIR Ex series cameras (S/N prefix: 639).).

I've uploaded it. Here is the download link: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00983732806372988148

The manual says:

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1 Manually updating FLIR Ex series cameras

1.1 Applicability
This Notice to customer applies to FLIR Ex series cameras (S/N prefix: 639).

1.2 Introduction
FLIR Ex series cameras can be manually updated by loading a special configuration file (*.fif) using FLIR Tools.

1.3 Procedure
Note Make sure that the battery is fully charged before following this procedure.
Follow this procedure:

1. Install FLIR Tools on your computer. FLIR Tools can be downloaded from http://support.flir.com/tools.
2. Start the camera.
3. Connect the camera to the computer using a USB cable.
4. On the Help menu in FLIR Tools, click Check for updates. This displays a dialog box.
5. Press SHIFT+CTRL+ALTand click anywhere inside the framed area in the screenshot below. This displays a Windows Explorer pane.
6. In the Windows Explorer pane, go to the unzipped folder on Desktop.
7. In the folder, select the *.fif file.
8. In the same folder, select the eFLIRInstall.exe file.
9. Click Update.
10. Disconnect the camera when asked to do so.


This starts the update process. The installation progress is displayed on the camera screen.

If you use it for downgrading, its on your own risk: DONT BLAME ME IF IT BRICKS YOUR CAMERA!
I thought, if its from the manufacturer, it should eather be working or doesn't allow downgrading. And it worked.....
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7488 on: December 07, 2015, 07:54:38 pm »
2.3.0 downgrade comes upload file * .fif using FLIRInstallNet.exe ?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 08:38:53 pm by Sofia »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7489 on: December 07, 2015, 09:59:27 pm »
 >:( >:( >:(

Guys, be careful with downgrade your new 2.8.0 camera with 2.3.0 firmware. I bricked two of my E4 trying to reflash them from 2.8.0 to 2.3.0 ;( One of them - black screen, no reaction to power button, and the other one hangs with FLIR logo.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7490 on: December 07, 2015, 10:25:38 pm »
47MHz - Thanks for the warning. The problem arose when the downgrade, or when applying the hack? Let us know if you corrected it.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7491 on: December 07, 2015, 11:14:05 pm »
Ups ...
Send to flir service
Besides, I think it's a very stupid idea to install the old version of "forced"
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7492 on: December 08, 2015, 12:48:18 am »
47MHz - Thanks for the warning. The problem arose when the downgrade, or when applying the hack? Let us know if you corrected it.

I was trying to downgrade the firmware from 2.8 to 2.3 and this is the result  |O
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7493 on: December 08, 2015, 01:05:09 am »
Hello
someone managed to unlock firmware 2.8.0?

No ones even manged to make a backup of it available so that anyone who is interested would be able to attempt to try.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7494 on: December 08, 2015, 05:49:38 am »
Can someone create or send me the needed "conf.cfc.delta.e6" File?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7495 on: December 08, 2015, 09:29:01 am »
Here's the delta for 2.3.0 E6:

conf.cfc.delta.e6:

[(1068, '\x02\x04'), (1116, '\x03\x06'), (5443, '\x04\x05')]

Unfortunately it has the same size as the e5 config file, so my script can't auto-detect. Easiest is to just take the v0.4 hack, and overwrite conf.cfc.delta.e5 with the e6 delta.

Do it on your own risk!

47MHz, let me know if you can't send the bricked one back to service.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7496 on: December 08, 2015, 05:28:55 pm »
Goddamnit, you mean THE VERY WEEK I decided to finally buy an E4 we get notice that Flir have released a new firmware?!

I'm sure we'll get this one hacked in due time too but the timing makes me sad. Maybe my unit will be older stock with 2.3.0 on it... -crosses fingers-

No ones even manged to make a backup of it available so that anyone who is interested would be able to attempt to try.

What's the process for making a backup? I'm happy to do this when my camera rocks up, if it has 2.8.0.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2015, 05:39:40 pm by neggles »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7497 on: December 08, 2015, 08:42:56 pm »
Does someone know how to dump the kernel (and not just the filesystem)?

My WinCE experience is pretty limited.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7498 on: December 09, 2015, 12:06:13 am »
"Sadly" now i'm on 2.3.0. Maybe its working with telnet an some oldschool file-edit/print/cat/copy commands. Does WinCE have autostart or something like autoexec.bat. It might be helping, copying the files before they will be locked.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7499 on: December 09, 2015, 12:46:33 am »
Does someone know how to dump the kernel (and not just the filesystem)?

Last time I checked (2 years ago...) you could unpack the update and extract the files.
Keyboard error: Press F1 to continue.
 


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