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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
237 (26.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
423 (47%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
42 (4.7%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
40 (4.4%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
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Offline Solare

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7600 on: December 24, 2015, 07:15:54 am »
2 Vincent,

please give the details... which OS you are running (including SPs)?

What is exact FLIR Tools version you used?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7601 on: December 24, 2015, 07:44:55 am »
2 Vincent,

please give the details... which OS you are running (including SPs)?

What is exact FLIR Tools version you used?

Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 on Dell Latitude D420 laptop
FLIR Tools Version 4.1.14066.1001
FileZilla 3.14.1 and Python 2.7
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7602 on: December 25, 2015, 03:48:11 am »
I bought my E4 today and sucsesfully downgraded to 2.3.0 from factory installed 2.8.0. Then I followed http://fubar.gr/hacking-the-flir-e4/ instructions and semibricked my E4 meaning it never showed in ipconfig and now its not showing in any program. I think I killed its USB interface. E4 works fine but I can't get USB connection establish. I think its stuck on Set_RNDIS_permament.fif.
It only shows up in Device manager (see pic.)

Can someone help?  :-BROKE :-\

EDIT/UPDATE:

Everything is fine now, I just forget to install driver pack... Now I have E4 fully updated to E8 specs and resolution!
Thank You guys for your hard work!  :-+

where did you download the 2.3.0 firmware from and how did you get the unit to downgrade from 2.8.0?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7603 on: December 25, 2015, 05:28:40 am »
where did you download the 2.3.0 firmware from and how did you get the unit to downgrade from 2.8.0?
Just start reading from page ~500
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7604 on: December 25, 2015, 01:02:41 pm »
Hi guys, I must be missing something on the downgrade process from 2.8.0 to 2.3.0.  I've read all the pages from 500 to current, as well as the various guides.  I'm following the PDF that matmoe uploaded with instructions on how to downgrade the firmware.  However, in Flir Tools 4.1.14066.1001 when I try and go to Help and then Update, it simply tries to update Flir Tools to 5.3.1XX, not my camera.  I can't get around that.  I've tried disabling my network connection as well, but then I just get an error.  How do I simply downgrade the camera firmware and not Flir Tools itself?

FYI, using Windows 7 32-bit and a Flir E4 1.2L with Serial 639XXXXX.  My camera is currently in standard USB mode, not RNDIS.

Thanks!

edit: I went through the upgrade to 5.3.1XX and then was able to perform the firmware downgrade to 2.3.0 successfully.  I didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet.  I'm completing the remaining steps as we speak.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2015, 01:25:49 pm by facesnorth »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7605 on: December 25, 2015, 01:37:26 pm »
My camera is at 2.3.0 and I'm back in RNDIS mode.  Tried the python apply.py apply 192.168.0.2 and am getting this error:


edit: I deleted the folders and re-unzipped them and started the process over and it worked!

edit2: Aaaaand it's done!  Resolution plus menus.  Thanks in particular to Mike for the original find, FUBAR for the helpful guide, and matmoe for the 2.3.0 firmware.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2015, 02:25:22 pm by facesnorth »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7606 on: December 26, 2015, 12:47:56 am »
where did you download the 2.3.0 firmware from and how did you get the unit to downgrade from 2.8.0?
Just start reading from page ~500

Thanks - after I posted, I found everything I needed in the thread.  Fortunately, my unit was delivered with 2.3.0 firmware so I did not have to downgrade after all.  Followed the directions using a Windows 7 32-bit VMWare virtual machine.  Took about a half hour after installing all the required apps.  Had a little issue with the VMWare network setup in the virtual machine but that was resolved pretty quickly.  The instructions were incredibly detailed and easy to follow. 
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7607 on: December 28, 2015, 06:16:00 am »
Is anybody aware of the hardware differences between an E30 (P/N 490xx F/W 2.23.14) without MSX feature and a newer E40 (P/N 645xx/646xx F/W 4.10.0) with MSX?

• 49001-1601 FLIR E30 without cam (discontinued beginning of 2012)
• 49001-1701 FLIR E30bx without cam (discontinued beginning of 2012)
• 49001-1801 FLIR E30 Mod.2012 with cam (discontinued end of 2013)
• 49001-1901 FLIR E30bx Mod.2012 with cam (discontinued end of 2013)

• 64501-0101 FLIR E40 (incl. Wi-Fi)
• 64501-0501 FLIR E40bx
• 64502-1001 FLIR E40
• 64601-0101 FLIR E40 (9 Hz incl. Wi-Fi)

Unpacking the CE firmwares both seem to be sharing the same hardware platform (SLCO Liston E2). The newer firmware runs Qt user interface.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2015, 06:18:07 am by megafix »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7608 on: December 29, 2015, 06:52:12 am »
I have an old Exx without MSX and invested a year ago some times, to find the differences between the firmwares / hardwares.
I think, it's a part of the FPGA firmware  :-\ and I haven't make some hot firmware experiments to avoid a bricked camera.

Good luck!

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7609 on: December 29, 2015, 07:36:52 am »
I have an old Exx without MSX and invested a year ago some times, to find the differences between the firmwares / hardwares.

The E30 and E30bx never made it to MSX support. But comparing the firmware of the E30 Mod.2012 (with 2MP camera) and an E40 with MSX I see a lot of similarity. Unfortunately I never saw the hardware itself.

They are running a Windows CE Kernel for ARM (Thumb Enabled).

Both seem to be based on a NXP (Freescale) i.MX27 multimedia applications processor ARM926EJ-S™ with ARM9™. Bluetooth and WiFi is a Marvell SDIO8688. Power Management is a MC13892 PMIC (Power Management Integrated Circuit).
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7610 on: December 30, 2015, 04:01:15 am »
Hi
I tried flirs tools + for 30 days trial. 30 days left. Now when start flir tools it start as + version and need to enter licence key or close the program. I want us program in standard free version, not + version. Tried uninstall and install again, but still can't run free version.
How to fix it?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7611 on: December 30, 2015, 07:31:57 am »
Hi
I tried flirs tools + for 30 days trial. 30 days left. Now when start flir tools it start as + version and need to enter licence key or close the program. I want us program in standard free version, not + version. Tried uninstall and install again, but still can't run free version.
How to fix it?

I did a quick installation of FLIR Tools(+) 5.3.15320.1002.

To reset FLIR Tools export the registry key "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\FLIR Systems" to a .reg File (just in case you want it back). Afterwards delete this key assuming you are running a 64 bit version of Windows. Next time you restart FLIR Tools it will recreate the registry key.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7612 on: December 30, 2015, 08:04:01 am »
I have an old Exx without MSX and invested a year ago some times, to find the differences between the firmwares / hardwares.
I think, it's a part of the FPGA firmware  :-\ and I haven't make some hot firmware experiments to avoid a bricked camera.

Looks like the device can still be started from TFTP boot in case something goes wrong :-)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7613 on: January 03, 2016, 01:01:49 am »
1. Did someone try telnet app for android to run command
Code: [Select]
--- Code: ---# turn off auto-nuc
rset .tcomp.services.autoNuc.active false
 # turn on auto-nuc
rset .tcomp.services.autoNuc.active true
to disabe nuc popup while video recording on smartphone?

2. How many frames per second can you record on android device? I can only 10; was expecting 15 (as can get in flir ir camera player or virtualdub on pc).
Only this work on my xperia https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.serenegiant.usbwebcamera
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7614 on: January 04, 2016, 07:39:51 am »
1. Did someone try telnet app for android to run command
Code: [Select]
--- Code: ---# turn off auto-nuc
rset .tcomp.services.autoNuc.active false
 # turn on auto-nuc
rset .tcomp.services.autoNuc.active true
to disabe nuc popup while video recording on smartphone?

2. How many frames per second can you record on android device? I can only 10; was expecting 15 (as can get in flir ir camera player or virtualdub on pc).
Only this work on my xperia https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.serenegiant.usbwebcamera

1. Yes it works but I never tried it on smartphone - I use a HP Stream 7 tablet with win 10 on it.

2. The unit only puts out 9-10 real FPS. When your record at 15 you are getting duplicate frames so this really does not matter.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7615 on: January 07, 2016, 08:15:04 pm »
Hello Everyone
Have we all come to the agreement that the file matmoe provided will successfully downgrade to 2.3?
Im getting my new flir e4 in tomorrow and Im hoping I can downgrade if I have 2.8.

Thank you All and a special thanks to matmoe
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7616 on: January 08, 2016, 12:50:09 pm »
Hello Everyone
Have we all come to the agreement that the file matmoe provided will successfully downgrade to 2.3?
Im getting my new flir e4 in tomorrow and Im hoping I can downgrade if I have 2.8.

Thank you All and a special thanks to matmoe

To answer my own question: Received flir e4 today and it came with 2.8. Tried file and Success! The downgrade file worked. Time to apply hack. Will post updates
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7617 on: January 08, 2016, 01:27:19 pm »
2. The unit only puts out 9-10 real FPS. When your record at 15 you are getting duplicate frames so this really does not matter.

I recall stepping through frames of a video made on Windows using Virtual Dub, it was 15 frames but out of 15 were 3 duplicates and 3 frames blended. So only 9 unique frames.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7618 on: January 10, 2016, 02:02:39 pm »
So the Hack will not work with Windows 64 Bit Ultimate edition?  It seems the only thing that I am having trouble with is (Shift+Ctrl+ Alt)  does noting but highlight the Camera in FLIRTOOLS.  It does not open an explorer window to allow me to select the appropriate 2.3.0 upgrade file.

I loaded the Filezilla and Python without a problem.  I am able to FTP with Camera   Am I missing something?

Thanks    8)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7619 on: January 10, 2016, 11:41:30 pm »
Can the changes made in version 2.8? If you can make do with version 2.8 downgrade is 2.3. If it does not work back to 2.8? Where to buy version 2.3? Sorry for the language.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7620 on: January 11, 2016, 02:44:53 am »
I haven't been following this thread recently - can someone PM me with the definitive info for 2.8 so I can add it to the resources at the start of the thread.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7621 on: January 11, 2016, 05:19:11 am »
I haven't been following this thread recently - can someone PM me with the definitive info for 2.8 so I can add it to the resources at the start of the thread.

Hello Mike
The file needed to downgrade was posted by MATMOE
Here is the file http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00983732806372988148

All thats needed is to manually select this file in the firmware area within flir tools. I successfully downgraded mine using this file and then ran the 2.3 hacks in order to unlock all the options
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7622 on: January 11, 2016, 05:50:51 am »
So every e4 can be changed from version 2.8 to version 2.3?

What are the symptoms after an unsuccessful downgrade from version 2.8 to version 2.3.
Is the camera stops working? The rest of the equipment is working properly?
How to repair such damage? Is it enough to upload a version 2.8 to work properly? Where to download version 2.8?
« Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 08:14:46 am by aniol »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7623 on: January 11, 2016, 09:31:02 am »
@aniol:
The only difference i noticed is that, on firmware 2.3.0 the camera does more often recalibrating. Has anyone observed this behavior?
There is no 2.8.0 firmware to download. Also, there is no way back.
Before i did the downgrade, i downloaded all files over ftp 2.8.0. But i don't know, if this would help if i brick my device.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7624 on: January 11, 2016, 10:38:53 am »
Hello Everyone.  I just successfully Modified my  E4 that was 2.8.0 using the Hacks in this forum.   I am Using Windows Ultimate 64 Bit SP 1.
The Flying Windows + R  cmd did not work for me.   I just ran the cmd prompt as administrator and everything worked just fine.  No problems using the current FLIR Tools 5.3.15320.1002.

I also used the Current FLIR Device Drivers as well as The 2.3.0 Upgrade zip package downloaded from the FLIR website.
I am pleased to confirm that the members that worked diligently to unleash the power of the E4 have done a most excellent job!
Hip, Hip, Hurray    You Guys Rock!! :-+ :-+
 


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