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Offline superamperevoltTopic starter

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Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« on: January 23, 2024, 05:23:06 pm »
Hi there,

I just got a P2 Pro with a Macro Lens and YouTube decided to show me the T2S Plus  |O I was wondering.

Should I return the P2 Pro and get the T2S Plus instead?

The only reasons why I didn't do it so far are because I'm not sure if it's worse than the P2 Pro.

Apparently the P2 Pro has autofocus (I heard it in one review, but couldn't really find anything about it. My P2 Pro "calibrates" every few seconds with an audible click, so maybe that's it?

Whereas the T2S Plus doesn't, but instead of that it has that pretty handy manual focus lens.

Another thing that the T2S Plus has is the apparently smaller FOV (44,9° x 33,4° 20% smaller  compared to the P2 Pro's 56° x 42,2°) and the lower temperature range. (450°C instead of 550°C),  and it has more noise compared to the P2 Pro (NETD ≤60mK @25 ℃ vs ≤50mK @25 ℃).

I'm not sure if they both share the same sensor and chip though.

It does have the same 25hz though and the same resolution, and includes a gimbal like thing.

Am I overthinking this, should I just keep the P2 Pro? I did use the p2 pro for PCB work and immediately did find a small shorted resistor, but switching to the macro lens feels a bit tedious.

I only want to use the thermal camera for fault detection on boards, and maybe look at insulation of houses.

The t2s only thing that makes it kinda enticing to me is the manual focus and ability to get closer to the board, I wish they would sell something like that for the P2 Pro (which only has a fixed focus macro lens.)


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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2024, 02:41:48 pm »
Did you keep the P2 Pro? and what is your take on it. I am after one TC but from the reviews I have seen, it seems the T2S plus is a better one. There may be others which are better in the range of $250.
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2024, 08:22:17 pm »
I bought the T2S+ after months of research , against the P2 Pro. FIY P2-Pro has no autofocus , it has a fixed focus ! So the distance to see things sharply with the P2Pro macro lens is preset. With the T2S+ you have much greater flexibility when it comes to various distances.  You just turn the lens manually to focus and it is sharp at any workable length.

Myrecommendation: T2S+ for PCB inspection or any close rang work from ~3cm to 1m. Depends on your particular needs what you need to see. It works for greater distances. I have inspected our house for heat leaks around the windows , pipes and stuff like that. The manual focus helps tremendously.

P2 Pro has a wider FOV but has simpler use case which envelopes a greater range of customers. Just plug in and see things around at greater range. Yes macro lens is a nice touch , but the macro lens has also a fixed focal length so instead of turning the lens to focus (T2S+) you have to move the camera anyway and way too close to the board. A PCB full of caps,heatsinks and what not , many times it is not possible to move the camera so close. P2Pro macro lens is good for phone boards and such....

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2024, 08:08:27 am »
Sorry for the late reply.

I tried out both, and returned the P2 Pro. While it does have a few better features it's absolutely not worth it compared to the T2S+.

The FOV is only a little bit smaller, but the freedom you get with the focus lens is amazing. With the P2 Pro everything looks a bit blurry if it's too close, with the macro lens you have to get extremly close, so mounting the cam to a stand and pointing it to a PCB from like 30cm is kind of bad. You see the general location that heats up but not what. With the T2S+ it doesn't matter everything is sharp and if it isn't, you can just turn the focus dial until it is, small parts are easily visible from a quite a distance, you can even get a lot closer compared to the macro lens of the P2 Pro.

Oh yeah, switch between macro and not macro on the P2 Pro is also annoying. Like getting a rough overview of what heats up and then putting the macro lens on is really finicky.


As for what the P2 Pro does better, its app is slightly better, I was even able to use an older version of the TC01 app and do an overlay with the phone camera. The range is slightly higher 600°C instead of 450°C, also when you select the wide range mode it went from 0°C-600°C with the T2S+ you only get -25°C~125°C and then a separate mode for 100°C~450°C which is weird.

The T2S+ has a lot of revisions, sadly mine is the A2 revision which does a bit of the processing on the phone instead of the camera, so when you plug it in to a computer you just get a green image and the software has to do some corrections. The P2 Pro (as far as I'm aware) is only available with the on-camera processing, so plugging it in a computer gives you a nice grayscale image.

I did send back the P2 Pro, it was more expensive for me and only came with the macro lens. The T2S+ was 20$ cheaper and came in with a holder mounting system, extension cables, and two extremely nice hard shells for the camera itself and the holder.

I wouldn't get the TC one, it's like the P2 Pro but bigger. In general, I think fixed focus ones are only really good for like rough inspections of buildings, especially with the slightly bigger FOV. But even here the variable focus of the T2S+ is really useful, I was able to see some details that were just blurry with the P2 Pro.
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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2024, 12:59:26 am »
Thank you both for your kind reply. Before I saw both of your post I actually pulled the trigger on the T2S plus on Alpress as there was anniversary discount.

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"The T2S+ has a lot of revisions, sadly mine is the A2 revision which does a bit of the processing on the phone instead of the camera"

This is useful, as I did not know this and I wonder which version I will receive. It seems from reviews I have seen and the detailed info from both of you I made the correct one. I hope I will find it useful mainly for board repairs. I bought the one with the adjustable new stand.
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2024, 02:24:00 am »
Even with the issue of revision, it's still the better choice imo. The revisions can widely vary though a friend of mine saw the thing and bought himself one too, from the same shop just a week later, and he got a T2S+ A revision not A2. The A revision acts like the A2 one though, I think only the original release variant of the T2S+ differs a lot and doesn't need on-phone postprocessing.

There is a 90$ expensive app in the Windows Store that supports it, https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9N0X5C7DWHFF . Other than that just using an old android tablet will also suffice https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.infiRay.Xtherm&hl=en_US your tablet/phone needs USB-OTG support though, otherwise it won't be able to connect to it.

There is also a free Desktop Application called XTherm from the chinese manufacturer that works on Windows, but they only offer the old version 2.0.3 which doesn't support the new A2 revisions.
I did find a new version of the App on an Discord group it's 2.0.7/2.0.8 and apparently supports the camera on Windows, but I didn't install it because the website looked sketchy ( http://xinfiray.online/windows_en_index.php download and install it on your own risk! I haven't tested it out).

I will try it out in a Virtual Machine when I have more time, though.


Again, in my opinion the T2S+ is the way to go, just the flexibility of having a permanently attached variable focus is worth the few downsides it has. And yeah it's especially useful if you have an adjustable stand, I tried PCB repair with the P2 Pro but the switching of the lens and keeping focus is extremely annoying. I had to hold the P2 Pro it with my hand to better adjust the focus, which made things a lot worse, especially when attaching the macro lens.
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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2024, 01:04:17 pm »
Thank you for your very useful info. The expensive software I have seen mentioned here on this forum. Very good from the reviews and a lot of options. Yes I can understand why expensive as can be used with many other models and developer hard work. I just want something that is easy to use but something to consider in the future.
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2024, 10:09:06 am »
I received the thermal camera T2s plus. Downloaded the latest Apk xthrem from Google play yesterday. I inserted in my Huawei mate 20 X 5G, on EMUI 12.0, I had no picture from app and was not happy. I note camera is recognised when plugged in. I opened app no picture. After   trying to reinstall app so many times and try different version of the app with no success. I eventually discovered it will only work if I connect the camera then turn my phone off and back on, then open app it will work. Is this some sort of EMUI 12.0 bugs? This is very annoying. Do you guys know a solution or a fix?
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2024, 08:50:50 pm »
I purchased the T2 Pro because of its long distance vision.
The Android app "InfiRay" doesn't always work for me on the Xiaomi 9T and occasionally has to be started several times. It's similar on an Android tablet.
Unfortunately, I haven't found any common free Windows programs yet. The Xtherm 2.0.8 doesn't seem finished and doesn't allow you to select cameras.
An older version from the manufacturer's website https://www.xinfrared.com/pages/download-app shows the selection, but does not work with the new hardware version.
The focus of the T2 Pro can be adjusted up to a close of 18 cm, so an area of approx. 33x44 mm is sharply imaged. That's not enough for me and I experimented with an additional lens (from my Flir E4, focal length 50mm). This additional lens enables sufficient magnification for working with SMD components.
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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2024, 11:59:37 pm »
Thank you for your reply. The pc software xtherm 2.0.7 works in my case.
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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2024, 12:17:11 pm »
Can you please give me a link to the installation file?
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2024, 04:56:45 pm »
This is the link I downloaded for the PC software Xtherm viewer 2.0.7, 2.0.8 did not work for me and hope this help:
https://xinfraredx.com/pages/download-center
 
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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2024, 04:01:44 pm »
The new lens arrived today, with a diameter of 20 mm and a focal length of 76.2 mm.
Link to the lens: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32241074105.html
Using some shrink tubing and an O-ring as a spacer, I made the macro attachment for the T2 Pro. The result is functional and allows a focus range of 50 to 80 mm with adjustment of the T2 Pro. I leave the focus setting at around 10 m for animal observation and place the lens in front of the camera for macros.
The temperature values increase with the lens by a little more than one degree.
Because this type of macro lens might be interesting for other users, I am attaching some explanatory photos.

According to support, Windows software for T2Pro_V2 is currently not available.
"Currently T2pro can only work with smartphone, can't work with computer, sorry for the inconvenience."
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2024, 03:05:16 pm »
Good job with the Macro Lens and thank you for sharing. Shame no PC software  and may be in the future?
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2024, 02:52:29 pm »
Anyone here uses this camera for electronics reparing?
Experience?
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2024, 09:38:12 am »
For most electronics repair applications, the T2 Pro should be sufficient even without a macro lens. The image below shows the resolution with the focus ring fully turned out.
The T2S+ is similar, it can be used very universally.
Unfortunately, there is currently no Windows program available.
Many people also use the P2 Pro with the macro lens; the distance to the object is not so variable.
 

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Re: Infiray T2S Plus or Infiray P2 Pro with Macro lens
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2024, 09:29:01 am »
This was discussed quite a bit in the other P2 Pro thread I think.

I'm just a hobbyist but I'd say the P2 Pro + Macro lens is pretty good. Without the macro lens you can look at the entire board and see which general area is hot, then with the macro you can easily identify the smallest SMD components in that area.



The downside is that you might need to put the lens on and off frequently to get a close/wider view. An adjustable focus would be less annoying, but I'm not sure what magnification T2S Plus offers. I think if I was using it frequently all day in a repair shop, I'd probably want a stand-alone camera to avoid messing with the phone. You have to get it out of the case, attach to the phone, remove lens cap, hope the app launches and doesn't get stuck (happens sometimes) etc.

There are a few other repair technicians using/testing the P2. Interestingly, Sorin complains about having to adjust the focus all the time :)


 


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