New Flir products

[mikeselectricstuff]

Hard to compare side by side but F1 quality looks better, certainly less noise.
And of course MSX helps a lot, though teh extra processing may be contributing to the slowness - if so it would be handy to be able to turn it off.
 

[TheSteve]

If they do only work well with newer phones maybe the price will fall so those of us with faster phones can have thermal imaging on the cheap!

[Fraser]

Nah, FLIR will likely take the view that if you can afford a flash new high powered phone, you can easily afford their RRP on the camera 

Aurora

[cynfab]

I would bet that the issue is related to having the processing done by java code vs. Android Native Libs . Java is certainly easier and probably the first implementation. Followed by a recoding in C/C++ in a Native lib. I believe that Seek transitioned from java to Native Lib several rev's of their app ago.
There is also an issue with Native Lib support in Android Studio at the present time.
 
Sooo, maybe there is hope for the Flir One app to improve in the near future, once there is a groundswell of complaints bi the early adopters. (hint... hint... hint...)

   ...ken...

[Fraser]

I am still left wondering what the cause of the delay was for the Android version release.
If it was the Android APP, then why are we still seeing the original version on the PLAY store ?

If it was a camera related issue then why was the iOS camera OK for release ? Surely they would be very similar in terms of hardware and firmware ? If anything the iOS version would have been more likely to suffer delays due to Apple approvals etc.

I suppose there could have been a shortage of a particular hardware part and the iOS cameras were given priority on the production line ?

All a bit odd really.

Aurora

[Fraser]

Just checked my email. My FLIR ONE G2 has been despatched and is en route to me 

Delivery due on Sunday

Aurora

[cynfab]

Just remembered that the .apk file I sent to mile was the first one I installed on my S4 Mini. It has been updated since. It reports version 1.1 in the about screen.
The one that was updated this am, reports 1.2. A new file has been sent to mike.

  sorry for the confusion.

   ...ken...

[encryptededdy]

I am still left wondering what the cause of the delay was for the Android version release.
If it was the Android APP, then why are we still seeing the original version on the PLAY store ?

If it was a camera related issue then why was the iOS camera OK for release ? Surely they would be very similar in terms of hardware and firmware ? If anything the iOS version would have been more likely to suffer delays due to Apple approvals etc.

I suppose there could have been a shortage of a particular hardware part and the iOS cameras were given priority on the production line ?

All a bit odd really.

Aurora

The android app has been updated a few times since it was first added to the play store. At least twice.

[encryptededdy]

I uploaded v1.1 (updated a few weeks ago) and v1.2 (updated a few hours ago) to Google Drive for those who need it.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bwv5-z7GgzRsSFZWOGpXVzZRMzA&usp=sharing

[encryptededdy]

I would bet that the issue is related to having the processing done by java code vs. Android Native Libs . Java is certainly easier and probably the first implementation. Followed by a recoding in C/C++ in a Native lib. I believe that Seek transitioned from java to Native Lib several rev's of their app ago.
There is also an issue with Native Lib support in Android Studio at the present time.
 
Sooo, maybe there is hope for the Flir One app to improve in the near future, once there is a groundswell of complaints bi the early adopters. (hint... hint... hint...)

   ...ken...

Yep, under Software licenses we see OpenCV and JavaCV (Java interface for OpenCV). Both the use of OpenCV and the use of it inside Java probably lead to the low performance.



Also, they have a Android Wear app... I'm really not sure what the use is... I guess you could monitor the temperature of remote processes from your watch?



Maybe that time could've been better spent porting the OpenCV image processing to Android native libs

[mikeselectricstuff]

V1.2 gives no improvement in speed on Moto G or crashiness on tablet

[marshallh]

Heard some horror stories from a guy that reversed the V1, things like no buffer length/management on the endpoints, sending text JSON files over the image transfer port, no error handling... It seems like the entire thing up to the module itself was done  by web monkeys.

[Fraser]

Well my FLIR ONE G2 Android has arrived 

Sadly no time to play as I am going out for the evening 

Interestingly, the seals on the box have been broken prior to delivery 

Maybe a firmware update was issued before shipping ? Odd though. New seals should have been fitted.

Were your seals still intact Mike ?

Pictures attached

Aurora

[SeanB]

Probably something done by the customs guys, checking there is the right non ITAR unit in the box.

[Fraser]

@SeanB,

Maybe, but unusual in my experience. The UK officers usually check the shipment manifest that contains any licencing details.

I am wondering if the unit came with a non UK charger ? I recall something about a 1A charger being in the box but there is no such charger in mine. My recollection may be wrong however. Anyone outside the UK receive a charger in the box ?

Aurora

[Fraser]

Spec on FLIR site mentions a 1A charger for the unit and not the phone. So that read as a charger was included but it may mean that a charger of at least 1A capacity is needed ?

http://flir.com/flirone/content/?id=69420#specs

Aurora

[Fraser]

I also read about supplied spacers for phones that are not in a protective shroud. The spacer ensures a stable fit.
No such spacers in my box 

Aurora

[mikeselectricstuff]

There was one spacer in my (sealed) box - leaflet said theer should have been 2 different. Possible I may have mislaid one.
No charger or space for it in the box, just a USBa-micro B lead.
Charge current is 0.5A

[TopLoser]

Spec on FLIR site mentions a 1A charger for the unit and not the phone. So that read as a charger was included but it may mean that a charger of at least 1A capacity is needed ?

http://flir.com/flirone/content/?id=69420#specs

Aurora

Doesn't state charger is included, just the cable:

"Included accessory: charging cable (micro-USB)"

[Redshift1340]

Spec on FLIR site mentions a 1A charger for the unit and not the phone. So that read as a charger was included but it may mean that a charger of at least 1A capacity is needed ?

http://flir.com/flirone/content/?id=69420#specs

Aurora

Doesn't state charger is included, just the cable:

"Included accessory: charging cable (micro-USB)"

Yeah my iOS version only came with a charging cable, no charger or spacers for that matter

[Fraser]

@Mike,

No spacers and no leaflet in my unsealed box, just the camera, case, strap and USB cable.

Something shonky going on here.

I will contact FLIR and complain.

Not a great start to my FLIR ONE G2 ownership 

Aurora

[encryptededdy]

This is slightly unrelated but here are some cheap (relatively speaking) phones with high end SoCs that would allow for use with the Seek and FLIR One G2.

• Motorola / Google Nexus 6. Price recently dropped to $350USD, Snapdragon 805. USB Port faces the wrong way
• LG G3, another Snapdragon 805 device. You can pick one up new on ebay for ~£170.00. USB Port faces the correct orientation
• OnePlus Two, Snapdragon 810 $329 USD. USB Type C port and stupid ass invite system (hard to buy)
• OnePlus One, Snapdragon 801, can be had for ~$300USD on ebay new. USB Port faces the wrong way

There are some misc. chinese phones with high end Snapdragon chipsets that are avaliable for good prices, however I've always had terrible luck with getting OTG working on those. It's probably worth it to spend more to get a more "popular" phone. (they also tend to not have Google Play store etc., so it's a PITA to use)

As for tablets;

• Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 or 10.1, Make sure you get the snapdragon 800 version, not the exynos. Can be found on eBay for ~£180. USB faces the right way.

There aren't really that many affordable-ish tablets with high end SoCs. Most have Snapdragon 400.

[mikeselectricstuff]

I will contact FLIR and complain.

You may find this leaflet that was in my box useful....

[Fraser]

@Mike,

Thank you 

Tried my camera this morning...... In the words of Star Trek's Bones..... It's dead Jim !

Charges but otherwise unresponsive and not seen by my Moto G or my friends so say compatible Samsung.

I thought this delivery was Shonky.... Now I know it is.

Email to FLIR to get this sorted me thinks 

This isn't up to FLIR's usual high standard of service. Kinda takes the shine off of the new purchase.

Aurora

[mikeselectricstuff]

In case anyone's interested - here is what comes out of the onboard serial port at startup :

Start AT91Bootstrap version svn-r5344 ...
Init HALF drive strength DDR... BOARD_ConfigureDdram()
DDRSDRC->DDRSDRC_LPR: 0x12101
Done!
Downloading image...
Trying to load uboot...
nandflash_hw_init()
reset_nandflash()
AT91F_NandReadID()
ManufacturerID: 0x2c DeviceID: 0xa1
chip id: 0x2ca1
Copy 0x50000 bytes from 0x40000 to 0x23f00000
nandflash_cfg_8bits_dbw_init()
switch(sNandInfo.uDataNbBytes) 2048:
read_nandflash: while (1)
read_nandflash: while (1)
read_nandflash: while (1)
read_nandflash(): return 0;
Done!
Returning jump to 0x0x23f00000


U-Boot 2010.06-svn5344 (Jun 11 2015 - 13:47:32)

DRAM:  64 MiB
NAND:  nand->ecc.bytes 28
nand->ecc.steps 1
nand->ecc.layout = pmecc_oobinfo_2048
host->mm 13
host->nn 8191
host->tt 4
host->sector_size 512
host->sector_number 4
host->ecc_bytes_per_sector 7
host->alpha_to 0x10C000
host->index_of 0x108000
128 MiB
*** Warning - bad CRC or NAND, using default environment

In:    serial
Out:   serial
Err:   serial
Net:   macb0, macb1
eth_enable not set, skipping macb init.
eth_enable not set, skipping macb init.
Watchdog enabled.
Hit CTRL-C to stop autoboot:  0
Data (writethrough) Cache is ON
boot operational

Loading from nand0, offset 0xe00000
   Image Name:   Linux-2.6.39+
   Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
   Data Size:    3357900 Bytes = 3.2 MiB
   Load Address: 20008000
   Entry Point:  20008000
Automatic boot of image at addr 0x22000000 ...
## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 22000000 ...
   Image Name:   Linux-2.6.39+
   Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
   Data Size:    3357900 Bytes = 3.2 MiB
   Load Address: 20008000
   Entry Point:  20008000
   Verifying Checksum ... OK
   Loading Kernel Image ... OK
OK

Starting kernel ...

Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[    0.025000] AT91: CM rev B and higher
[    0.037000] AT91: EK rev B and higher
Starting watchdog...done
mounting jffs2 READ-ONLY...done
start battery charge control
Starting battery_charge: OK
done
Formatting /tmp/versions: OK
[    1.663000] lepton_init
[    1.671000] lepton_probe: using 16-bit SPI width

Welcome to Rosebud (Operational)
(none) login: <7>[   42.592000] lepton status = 0 xfer 5 [4294709888]