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Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« on: April 30, 2014, 12:23:23 pm »
Flir's FlirOne seems to be running late, but don't think this is much of a threat at $4K
http://therm-app.com/
http://therm-app.com/product/therm-app-imaging-device-19mm-lens/
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2014, 02:57:15 pm »
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At $4K up front, there better not be.
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2014, 03:17:21 pm »
Flir's FlirOne seems to be running late, but don't think this is much of a threat at $4K
http://therm-app.com/
http://therm-app.com/product/therm-app-imaging-device-19mm-lens/


Wow, for such kind of money one could easily buy thermal camera with LCD and batteries. Is it really $4k - maybe they will drop prices later? I don't see how it could be competitive with FlirOne or other thermal cameras at this value/price ratio.
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2014, 03:58:04 pm »
Flir's FlirOne seems to be running late, but don't think this is much of a threat at $4K
http://therm-app.com/
http://therm-app.com/product/therm-app-imaging-device-19mm-lens/


Wow, for such kind of money one could easily buy thermal camera with LCD and batteries. Is it really $4k - maybe they will drop prices later? I don't see how it could be competitive with FlirOne or other thermal cameras at this value/price ratio.
They're not trying to compete (other than bragging rights on being first to ship).
FlirOne is a consumer toy, therm-app is a proper thermal imaging camera that happens to use  a phone for display.
 
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2014, 06:45:54 pm »
It is expensive. I will stick with the Mu optics one.  :P :P :P

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2014, 06:57:06 pm »
FlirOne delays are probably 'cos they're trying to make damned sure that Mike doesn't suss out how to "upgrade" them :)
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2014, 08:41:10 pm »
Flir's FlirOne seems to be running late, but don't think this is much of a threat at $4K
http://therm-app.com/
http://therm-app.com/product/therm-app-imaging-device-19mm-lens/


Wow, for such kind of money one could easily buy thermal camera with LCD and batteries. Is it really $4k - maybe they will drop prices later? I don't see how it could be competitive with FlirOne or other thermal cameras at this value/price ratio.
They're not trying to compete (other than bragging rights on being first to ship).
FlirOne is a consumer toy, therm-app is a proper thermal imaging camera that happens to use  a phone for display.
I agree on that specs of Thermal-App are more serious than FlirOne and it is for different market (much better lens, not integrated into iPhone case). I'm still not sure whether Thermal app is more suited for cellphones or for integration(as a part) into other devices (like cars, video/surveillance cameras, hunting devices). Former option adds more bragging rights though.

It is expensive. I will stick with the Mu optics one.  :P :P :P

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Well, human face is orders of magnitude better in terms of thermal IR sensitivity than Mu Optics (human face is sensitive to candles/bonfire/hot electric stove etc for 0.5-1.5m. Mu Optics is not sensitive to anything at this point)
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2014, 10:51:28 pm »
Apparently FlirOne is now due end of June.

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 10:19:01 pm »
This use-your-phone-to-xpto trend seems like you're saving on displays, but once you have the photo camera, thermal camera, multimeter, datalogger, your bike, your fridge, your domotics system, your etc etc wanting to use your phone as a display, it's going to be fun to watch.
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2014, 11:39:13 pm »
Well even if Flir have this buttoned right up now, it appears there's now another option for a decent res (384x288) TIC at an E4 price :
http://therm-app.com/product/therm-app-device/
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 01:42:43 am »
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a decent res (384x288) TIC

But severely limited range (5C - 90C).
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2014, 07:21:17 am »
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a decent res (384x288) TIC

But severely limited range (5C - 90C).
I wonder if that's just the range it's calibrated over
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2014, 10:38:23 am »
If I were flogging it, I'd imply a larger range and then say (in small print) it's calibrated over this smaller one if that were the case. But I might be biased: I was an original backer of Mu and got a refund when they changed the spec to a narrower range.

Speaking of which... the sensor used here couldn't be the one My had in mind, could it? It does look and read like the thing Mu intended to make, and maybe the only real difference is proper engineers on the one hand vs a bunch of video artists with a dream on the other.
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2014, 11:21:48 am »
If you look at their how-to-change-the-lens video,  the sensor looks like a fairly conventional hermetic package, also can't see any sign of a shutter, which is odd.
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2014, 03:26:48 pm »
According to a couple of queries I sent to Opgal :
There is no shutter - it does shutterless calibration.
5-95 deg is the calibration limit, not operating limit - outside this range, "accuracy is compromised"



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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2014, 03:46:14 pm »
The shutter thing may be related to the accuracy thing :)

Hmmm. Interesting. But not $1K interesting, I think.
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2014, 07:43:52 pm »
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2014, 03:26:55 am »
It looks good without hacking.  But would be great if it can be hack like the E4.

http://vimeo.com/channels/799242/videos



 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2014, 04:56:24 am »
Flir's FlirOne seems to be running late, but don't think this is much of a threat at $4K
http://therm-app.com/
http://therm-app.com/product/therm-app-imaging-device-19mm-lens/

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2014, 09:52:00 pm »
For the money, the resolution is really good.  I wonder if they have plans to implement a programming API.
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2014, 04:28:49 am »
There is an SDK available but you must first sign a license agreement. Mike, I don't suppose you could convince Opgal to loan or donate a demonstration unit to you? It would be very interesting to see how this fares against the (cheaper but far more limited) Seek.
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2014, 12:04:31 am »
There is quite a long thread here, with user reviews, screenshots and videos. the developers have even chimed in and are implementing user feedback.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_18/430829_.html
 

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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2014, 12:42:41 am »
There is quite a long thread here, with user reviews, screenshots and videos. the developers have even chimed in and are implementing user feedback.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_18/430829_.html
Seek could learn a thing or two from them....
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Re: Opgal Therm-App - first smartphone thermal imager to ship
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2014, 02:44:53 pm »
I had a look through the AR15 site, good feedback from the users, and good product support.

Most of the pics are longer range, but I've seen some close ups at this link-
https://www.flickr.com/groups/therm-app-users/pool/with/15463575839/lightbox/

Longer range is more popular with others, but I know in this forum, decent pics of PCBs are more important so after a bit of checking, I finally found some examples. You can see a USB stick as the second to last pic, with some mm graduations edited onto a ruler pic to show the scale.

Prices are good, I'd consider one but I'm unsure of what the extra customs charges would be on top for the UK. Any UK member with one?
There appears to be something very similar on German ebay, Therm-app pictures, but it that device is unbranded and also double the direct price.
I know there would be some taxes, but not that amount!

So far, there isn't any European distributor as far as I can tell, but there is a US distributor being set up.

 


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