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Requests for thermal imaging core configuration utilities - polite refusal

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zrq:
Just be fair, uncooled microbolometers are not rocket science today. Whatever your enemy is, either Russian, China, Iran or even North Korea, they have this technology already. To my knowledge, there are more than 3 private owned (not even counting state owned institutes) Chinese companies can already make 320p FPAs, at what ever readout speed they want.

Please forgive me for making this discussion even more political, I'll refrain from going further into this direction and I'll delete it if it's not appropriate: all these export control stuff gave me an impression that those were designed to prevent the hostile countries including China from gaining access to some sensitive technologies. Although hardly aligned with my personal interest (except things really designed to suppress people) , sometimes it works. However in the case of thermal imaging, this game is already lost for the Westerners. "Evil players" already got/developed what they want years ago, and then it's no longer making sense to keep these export control. I heard another version of this story about Chinese high speed ADCs.

I respect your decision and it's 100% understandable to keep a distance from the legal risk. However, believing not distributing software for those old cores can help building a safer world (or a safer Western world, in my view) sounds like lying to yourself. This decision is not going to help any other people.

CatalinaWOW:

--- Quote from: zrq on May 22, 2022, 05:45:14 pm ---Just be fair, uncooled microbolometers are not rocket science today. Whatever your enemy is, either Russian, China, Iran or even North Korea, they have this technology already. To my knowledge, there are more than 3 private owned (not even counting state owned institutes) Chinese companies can already make 320p FPAs, at what ever readout speed they want.

Please forgive me for making this discussion even more political, I'll refrain from going further into this direction and I'll delete it if it's not appropriate: all these export control stuff gave me an impression that those were designed to prevent the hostile countries including China from gaining access to some sensitive technologies. Although hardly aligned with my personal interest (except things really designed to suppress people) , sometimes it works. However in the case of thermal imaging, this game is already lost for the Westerners. "Evil players" already got/developed what they want years ago, and then it's no longer making sense to keep these export control. I heard another version of this story about Chinese high speed ADCs.

I respect your decision and it's 100% understandable to keep a distance from the legal risk. However, believing not distributing software for those old cores can help building a safer world (or a safer Western world, in my view) sounds like lying to yourself. This decision is not going to help any other people.

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There are two flaws with your argument.  First that bolometers are not rocket science because many countries and companies make them.  While true, not so many make bolometers at the highest spec levels.  Pixel count is not the only parameter of importance for many applications.  Kind of like rocket science.  Many places make orbital rockets.  All of the big players and several others like India, Japan, Australia and Great Britain.  The few at the front edge of this technology (the US, China and Russia) have significant technical investment and good reason to not give that away.  Several others want orbital capability and either can't or just barely are able to.  Iran and North Korea being examples, though there are others.  Some of these worry most of the larger world powers.

Second, this is not only an east vs west issue.  China supports export controls for their own national interests.  Making it difficult for small rogue states or non-state organizations is of benefit to east, west, christian, muslim, hindu and any other major power blocks you might name.

There is substantial legal risk for individuals living in one of the major areas (China, Russia, Europe, the US and others) and significant moral risk for everyone who has access to these technologies.

zrq:
One technical comment: it's true that not so many companies make bolometers at the highest spec levels, but those cores relevant in this post are also too old to be "at high spec level". I'm interpreting the spec levels to be the basic pixel count, NETD and pixel size.

RJHayward:
   I'm reading between the lines here...not so concerned with the 'big players', it looks like regulations tailored to address the little guy...the Wanna-be terrorist that will use a few of those gagets, put together for some (perceived or otherwise) harmful act...
The sensor capable of finding political targets, combined, with modest skill, with other capabilities, doesn't need a 'rogue state' that desires to do harm...only an individual, or small group.

zrq:
Then the Wanna-be terrorist can buy a Chinese camera instead or steal a COVID body temperature camera from anywhere and mod it, some of them works even better comparing the overall performance than those older cores concerned here.

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