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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2022, 03:16:29 pm »
Alternative mounts for the P2 Pro Camera head:

Thanks to the 3D printable tripod adapter designed by Bostwickenator, the World is your oyster when it comes to mounting options for the tiny P2 PRO camera. If a conventional digital camera can mount on it, then so too can the P2 Pro  :-+

I include pictures of some of the mounts that I have used with the P2 PRO to prove just how versatile this little thermal camera can be when it comes to deploying it in ways not originally intended by the OEM   ;D

I will first detail the ball mount with the Bostwickenator P2 tripod adapter as that is at the heart of many of the mounting systems I tried.

Then there is the ubiquitous flexible gooseneck mount that is often sold as a microphone stand. Married to the ball joint via a thread adapter, it is a very versatile mounting solution.

Finally in this post, there is the "Jack" mount that is a small platform that mat be adjusted in height and platform angle to suite the needs of the user. Just another photographic accessory that may be used with the P2 PRO camera thanks to the ball joint and Bostwickenator adapter.
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2022, 03:17:07 pm »
Alternative mounts for the P2 Pro Camera head:

When it comes to camera mounting options, the common tripod will come to mind. These come in all shapes and sizes so there is normally one that matches teh users needs, be it a table top lightweight type or a sturdy tall heavyweight model for outdoor use. There are tripods to meet every need in between so there is no problem finding a tripod to meet you needs and budget  :-+

The pictures are of a simple travel desk tripod that is very convenient for use with the diminutive P2 PRO camera head

The second set of pictures are of a slightly heavier duty desk tripod that offers a better ball head and extending legs with two angles to provide height adjustment.

Finally for this post, there is a cheap extending handle type mount that offers extended reach plus a tripod, if needed. 
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2022, 03:17:52 pm »
Alternative mounts for the P2 Pro Camera head:

The last set of mounting options for the moment are shown heer, but I will add more to this thread as and when I discover more ways to deploy the little P2 Pro camera  :)

First we have the excellent mobile phone mount that also provides the mounting points to attach the P2 Pro tripod adapter directly or via the ball joint. the mobile phone adapter was chosen for its versatility rather than cost and it was not as inexpensive as plastic versions. This mounting option permits use of the mobile phone/P2 PRO combination on a camera handle/pistol grip. This can make the use of the thermal imaging system easier due to the ease of holding it. The mobile phone mount permits Portrait to Landscape phone rotation and tilting to add convenience to the solution.

Two types of photographic handle are next. One is just a simple straight cylinder design with rubber grip sleeve, whereas the second one is more pistol grip in shape and incorporates two useful additional features.... a pivoting top mount to suit the users needs and a built in desk tripod that comes out of the handles base. the handle also has a tripod mount on its base. A versatile little handle and there are many such clever handle designs available on the market.

Next up is a very neat articulated arm mounting solution that is mounted on an inexpensive desk stand. The articulated arm provides great versatility with regards to positioning of the P2 Pro camera head in close-up or at a distance from the object being observed.

Finally for this post, we have the "Selfie Stick" format of pole mount. In some situations, it can be useful to mount a camera on the end of a long pole in order to image an inaccessible area remotely. In the case of a P2 PRO thermal camera, it would be possible to gain a thermal view of an inaccessible area without the need to worry about setting focus distance and the camera has excellent dept of field. The use of a long USB Type C extension cable would permit very long camera poles to be used. The example camera pole shown in the pictures is just a common unexpensive type of limited length (1.2m / 4ft), but it is still useful to have. Much longer camera poles are available or a camera monopod could easily be adapted to mount the P2 PRO on its end. The P2 Pro was tested with a 5m USB Type C extension cable and worked without complaint.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2022, 03:19:39 pm »
Hardware Bugs discovered during testing:

No hardware Bugs were evident during the 1 month testing period of the P2 Pro camera dongle.

The P2 Pro continues to draw 60mA from the Samsung Host mobile Phone even when the APP is not open. Whilst not a bug, this characteristic should be known as it will discharge the mobile phone battery over time.
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2022, 03:20:43 pm »
Software Bugs discovered during testing:

There are two software bugs worthy of note here:

1. The camera is not recognised when plugged into the Samsung Mobile Phone. This may be remedied by unplugging the camera, going to the APP use history and deleting the P2 Pro entry. Plug the camera into the phone again and the APP will auto start and see the camera.

2. The latest (December 6th) release of the APP will not start when the P2 Pro icon is pressed. The Samsung phone declares "APP not found" This may be overcome by just plugging the camera into the phone so thathe APP auto starts without the need to manually press its icon button. If the camera is not seen and the App does not auto start, follow the procedure detailed in 1, above.

UPDATE : Both of these issues appear to have been fixed in the latest version of the APP released on 14 December 2022. It is early days though.
 
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2022, 07:49:32 pm »
Conclusion

The P2 Pro thermal imaging dongle has proven to be a most useful thermal imaging tool both in static use and whilst mobile. The abilities of the camera when coupled to its excellent close-up lens truly impressed. This camera is like having a thermal microscope in your pocket  :-+
The accuracy of the P2 Pro temperature measurements was a very pleasant surprise and shows that the Infiray Tiny1 is a very capable little Radiometric core. Such measurement accuracy will be very useful for the monitoring of PCB's or other thermal sources. The diminutive size of the camera hardware lends itself to many applications where a conventional, more bulky, thermal camera could not be used. As can be seen from this review, there are many ways to deploy this little camera and it provides reliable and useful thermal imagery when coupled to a decent quality mobile phone.

This Infiray P2 Pro camera has positively changed the previously negative view of the Author towards thermal dongle cameras and that is quite a feat ! This camera will become part of the Authors thermal imaging "Toolkit" along-side other thermal cameras that cost significantly more.

Would the author buy one if a sample had not been gifted to him ? Simple answer ... definitely. She's a little beauty   :-+

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2022, 08:20:07 pm »
Video review and teardown


There is a review and teardown by Mike here:

https://youtu.be/YMQeXq1ujn0

Well worth a watch

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2022, 08:33:06 pm »
Thanks fraser for this very complete review. The "Measurement Accuracy confidence test" point was quite interesting, sincerely I didn't expected the error to be within specs but is true you know exactly the emissivity of the black body and in normal situations you can only guess an approximation for it's value and it's impossible to get accurate results when you have very different materials in the scene.
 

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2022, 08:51:15 pm »
For anyone interested in seeing the different colour palettes that the APP offers, I attach sample images of my ugly mug in all sorts of colour schemes  ;D
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2022, 09:23:05 pm »
The "Elephant in the room"

The P2 Pro camera system provides some saved image analysis on the phone APP. This is limited to measurement functions but the relatively small screen of a Mobile Phone is not always the easiest to use for image analysis. Infiray do not, at this time, supply saved image analysis software for a Desktop/Laptop computer. This is a pity.

In a perfect World, there would be a Desktop/Laptop computer software package that would offer the option for connecting directly to the P2 Pro camera, or to work with saved images from the mobile phone. The ability to use a large display screen and to annotate, analyse and adjust images prior to entry in a report would be an excellent enhancement.  if desktop/laptop software were to be made available, the P2 Pro and a microscope stand would make a very useful Electronics PCB analysis tool for R&D or repair operations. Not quite a DYT CA-10, but may be good enough for many users.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2022, 09:48:35 pm »
For those interested in seeing the various measurement functions available in the PRO mode I attach some images taken whilst working with the R-Pi. The focus is far from optimal so the measurements are not to be trusted. The images do show the spot, line and rectangle ROI functions however. The App allows three of each type of ROI to be present on the display.  More than one type of ROI is permitted on the display at a time so mixing of spot temperatures, measurement lines and measurement rectangles is not a problem. it is possible to have 3 Spot temperatures, 3 lines and 3 rectangles present at the same time if desired. The Average, Maximum and Minimum temperature of each ROI is detailed across teh top of the display. With many ROI's active, the top of the display gets pretty crowded !

The first image is with the P2 Pro operating in Basic mode where a centre spot is provided, along with Maximum and Minimum temperature markers and measurements for the scene. The images that follow are all from the PRO mode where different types of ROI may be selected and positioned on the scene.
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2022, 10:01:35 pm »
Now for something a little different....the P2 Pro thermal image of my hand ! The last two images are of my hand holding a cold mars bar  ;D
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2022, 10:02:22 pm »
Because the red text at the beginning of the topic is missing I thought you were done...  :-DD

A small suggestion for improvement (but you've already put so much effort into it):
The photos are really a bit big. Resizing might not be bad: maybe to 320x240 or a maximum of 640x480.  :-/O

But now that you're done it would probably be overkill. :palm:  ;D

Overall: SUPERB WORK!!!  :-+
 

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2022, 10:20:01 pm »
Hi Katzenhai2,

I totally agree ! The problem is that the P2 Pro App saves the 256 x 192 pixel images as an upscaled 1440 x 1080 pixel image  :palm:

I have an issue with that decision.... by upscaling the image there is the possibility that the image may be degraded in the process. Fine for the image displayed on a mobile phones high resolution screen, but not so great as a saved file. These sorts of lower resolution images often do not look that great when over enlarged and I think that is the case here.

If I were to reduce the size of the images before posting them here, I may further degrade them so I thought it best to leave well alone. The saved images do not appear to be as good as that viewed on the phones screen so JPEG compression could also be taking a toll on the image quality.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2022, 10:48:01 pm »
Oooops I just noticed that my visible light image size has crept up  :palm: I used to post images at 1024 x 768 pixels as they were often of PCB’s etc that people wanted to examine in a bit of detail. Sadly it looks like my image resizer software has been left on a higher resolution setting. They look fine on my iPad but may not on lower resolution screens. Sorry folks.
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2022, 11:16:46 pm »
I haven't yet read all of it, but a few chapters are really interesting. From the "who is IRAY" to the really important geometric distortion.

I would still like to ask a question about the software side of things. Especially for recording video. Does it give you any more settings then the three mentioned? And what codec, bitrate, resolution are you getting when recording a video with the app?

It does seem like a landmark product that brings the idea of the FLIR One to something as affordable but way better in most aspects. I hope that there is more development and we get VGA sized products that are still affordable in a few years.
 
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2022, 11:37:38 am »
Vipitis,

Thanks for the question.

I attach a screenshot from Mediainfo that provides plenty of detail of the MP4 file characteristics. I hope this is what you need.

The video used to gain this information was recorded using a Samsung A8 mobile phone. I will test the video recording function on the S9 Plus phone to see if the frame rate improves.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2022, 12:01:03 pm »
The Video recorded on the Samsung S9 showed some improvement in frame rate, at ~19fps, but the full 25fps capabilities of the P2 Pro camera are not being seen in the recordings. Image quality looks decent enough. The S9 Plus is quite a powerful phone but the more recent mobile phone may show even better frame rate. I regret I cannot test that for you as I do not own such a phone.

It should be noted that the video is being recorded as 1440 x 1080 resolution and not at the cameras native 256 x 192 pixels.

I also made sure that the phone was moved a lot during the video in order to load the compression algorithm with an ever changing scene. I will try a less harsh test with just me moving in a static scene.

The frame rate may be better with the P2 Pro connected to a decent PC but that would require 3rd party software.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2022, 02:03:33 pm »
Vipitis has raised a very good question that I did not cover in my review of the P2 Pro. This was an oversight as I personally do not use thermal cameras to record video.

A little bit of information regarding video recordings from thermal cameras …….

With an all-in-one self contained thermal camera that offers video recording capability, the manufacturer will select video processing elements of the design to match the intended performance specifications. The firmware will be ‘tuned’ to provide the best possible frame rate during video recordings but the resolution of such video recordings can vary greatly. Clearly recording a high resolution video will place greater demands on the systems processor as it not only has to deal with the thermal imaging side of the system, but it will also have to upscale and capture at decent frame rates. More pixels = more work and potentially slower frame rates if the processor cannot cope. A manufacturer will consider resolution, frame rate and cost in order to provide the user with an acceptable specification that the camera will meet.

If we consider a thermal camera dongle then the scenario changes in terms of the processing hardware selection. Where a Mobile Phone is used to do the video processing of the thermal image data that is coming into its USB port, we need to consider potential bottlenecks, upscaling requirements, video capture process, processor limitations and the resultant impact on the achievable frame rate. As I was once told….. “ life is relatively simple when you design a thermal camera from scratch and have control over the BoM. However marrying a thermal imaging camera front-end to a Mobile Phone back-end is a total nightmare, as you have no control over the specification and configuration of the Mobile Phone hardware”. This is why some designers actually prefer the Apple iPhones for such tasks as the specification is well documented and current sales line limited in number.

So back to marrying a thermal camera dongle front-end to a mobile phone… There are so many things that can go wrong or be sub-optimal with such a ‘marriage’. The first challenge is hardware level compatibility where the appropriate USB or Apple interface is selected. The data communications bearer must be capable of passing data at a rate adequate for the intended video capture frame rate. USB is a pig when it comes to Video data streaming as it is packet based rather than the very efficient stream that IEE1394 (FireWire) used. That said, USB 2.0 and above usually copes OK for most common video data rates. Once the thermal camera data is inside the phone, it is processed by the APK and Software APP to create a thermal image. This is a load on the processor but we must also consider that the same processor is likely doing other “housekeeping” tasks that may also demand attention in conflict with the thermal imaging process that is ongoing. The processor needs to be powerful enough and configured to prioritise the thermal imaging process if dropped frames are to be avoided. Now add to the processors workload the requirement to not only upscale the thermal camera images at full frame rate, but also encode them into MP4 format for saving as a video capture file. All this work is time critical if dropped frames are to be avoided or the frame rate not impacted negatively. This is quite the “ask” for a mobile phone that was not actually intended for such duties. Sure modern mobile phones can capture high resolution visible light camera data but that side of the phone was part of the original designers realm where parts were carefully selected and optimised for the task. We, on the other hand, are bolting on a USB thermal camera that has different needs not considered during the phones design.

So where does this scenario leave us ? Well it is clear that if the mobile phone host to which we connect a thermal dongle camera does not have the required multi-tasking “horsepower” in its processor, the recording of smooth high frame rate video will not be possible. What will happen is that the phone will do its best to meet the needs of the thermal camera application but the frame rate will be impacted by its inability to complete the capture process in the allotted time frame. Dropped frames will be a fact of life. If the thermal camera dongle is attached to a very powerful modern mobile phone that has more processing power than any phone user could wish for, the situation changes. We now have the required processing capability and “headroom” to meet the needs of the thermal camera dongle data processing, upscaling and video capture to MP4 format. Great ! But there remains a risk to the processes smooth running for video capture. We still need the phone processor to prioritise the needs of the thermal camera video capture task over its other housekeeping tasks and there must be no data bottlenecks outside the processor. The USB port specification needs to be adequate for the frame rate that will be transferred from the camera dongle to the phone processor. Thankfully USB is now pretty reliable in this respect but it still has its limitations at USB 2.0. USB 3.1 is far more useful for video capture tasks but both the source and host need to be USB3.1 compliant. Just because a USB 3.1 compliant connector is present, it does not necessarily mean that the electronics connected to that port are compliant and it could be USB 2.0 ! It is not uncommon to find this issue with budget equipment claiming USB 3.0 or 3.1 compatibility….. they are USB 2.0 and USB3.0/3.1 is backward compatible with USB2.0. The problem is that the data rate capabilities  are very different.

If we are very fortunate and the “Planets are in alignment” we can connect a thermal camera dongle to a decent performance mobile phone and the full frame rate capabilities of the thermal camera dongles will be presented on the phones display and will be recordable to a MP4 file at full frame rate in a resolution appropriate for viewing on a MP4 playback device of the users choice. For this to happen both the hardware and software must work in harmony with no inefficient coding or poor optimisation of the processors capabilities. Sadly it has often been found that the APP that is running on the mobile phone has to be very tolerant of different  host mobile phone brands, operating system versions and hardware capabilities. This results in inefficiencies that can lead to lower performance than might have been possible if the app was written for a specific mobile phone model and tuned for peak performance whilst on thermal imaging duties.

Some trivia….. FLIR created the FLIR One Generation 1 mobile phone jacket thermal camera for the Apple iPhone only. They did this as they could then write efficient code for the particular series of iPhone in order to get the best from its processor to deal with the needs of the thermal camera module. FLIR did not want to create an Android version of the FLIR One Gen 1 as there were too many variables that could cause issues with performance. Not least of which was the many different case sizes and formats of Android phones. For the FLIR One Gen 2 camera project, FLIR decided to make both iOS and Android compatible versions. This was a major decision for them as the APP coders advised of all that could go wrong with trying to meet the needs of the thermal camera when FLIR had no visibility or control over the brand, model, performance, operating system version and configuration of the host mobile phone. A decision was made to create an APP that complied with Android programming best practices in order to gain best multi platform compatibility. FLIR could do little more than this in the circumstances BUT they made the decision to design their Android FLIR One G2 solution based upon a well known and powerful mobile phone of equivalent performance to the iPhone that had already been proven adequate for the task.
The mobile phone FLIR chose for their Android solution was the venerable Samsung S5. This was an expensive flagship phone at the time but FLIR wanted their FLIR One G2 to perform well in the market and the S5 had the processor to ensure decent frame rates within the <9fps limit imposed by Government regulations. The App for the FLIR One G2 could not be optimised for the S5 to the point that only an S5 could be used so compromises in the fine tuning of code were necessary. FLIR struggled to achieve the same performance of their FLIR One G2 iOS solution, even when using the S5 ! Further development did close the gap between the iOS and Android versions performance but the iOS was more highly tuned and always had the edge over the Android App. This is the cost of programming for a broad spectrum of platforms that may have very different configurations despite all running Android.


So to summarise all of the above…… if you are a videographer wishing to use thermal imaging in a video format, beware of the pitfalls associated with mobile phone dongles designed to be compatible with a broad spectrum of Android based Host mobile phones. Frame rate can be VERY variable even when powerful host phones are used.

Worthy of note is that even some Industrial grade thermal imaging cameras that offer video recording cannot record video at the same rate that they can display it in the live scene. It all comes down to processing power and a decision by the manufacturer on how much processing power they will build into the camera. Thermal videography is not normally a high priority in general thermography work. High speed thermography is a totally different ball game. Just look at my FLIR SC4000 to see that !

It should also be understood that Radiometric video is not normally found on budget thermal imaging solutions so post capture analysis of individual frames is not possible. Science cameras are often capable of high frame rates whilst also offering high frame rate capture of Radiometric frames that may be treated as still frames for image analysis. That said, the “video recorder” for such cameras is often a dedicated external device with a very high data rate interface to the thermal camera. Basically, if you have to ask the price, you cannot afford it.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2022, 07:03:11 pm »
It was mentioned in the other thread that when plugged into a PC the P2 works as a regular USB webcam. I haven't tried myself yet (I don't have an appropriate adapter) but for reliable video recording that would be the way to go for now. I assume there is some sort of default image profile applied (with no temp overlay), but it should be possible to colour/recolour the image using something like ffmpeg.
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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2022, 09:22:35 pm »
Garath79,

I have had the P2 Pro camera running with "Debut" by NCH.

The P2 Pro seems pretty happy working into the PC and imaging performance looks OK as well. The plaster dabs of the dry lining in our house are clearly visible. My wife's hand on the kitty is a bit over blown but I am pleasantly surprised by the images considering the camera is in 'dumb' web cam mode. Images are stored by Debut at their native resolution.

Quick and dirty pictures attached  :)

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2022, 12:05:09 pm »
I will continue to post information about the P2 Pro here as and when there is something interesting to report, such as APP updates etc. There is further testing that can be done as and when my spare time permits.

There is also the P2 Pro discussion thread that I started as a place to discuss all matters pertaining to the Infiray  P2 / P2 Pro and other dongle type cameras that use the Infiray Tiny1 core.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/infiray-and-their-p2-pro-discussion/

It has been discovered by others that some software and Apps for other Tiny1 core based cameras will work with the P2 and P2 Pro.

Some other Apps may not support the extended temperature measurement capabilities of the P2 Pro but will work in the lower temperature range. I was concerned to hear that at least one App offered a firmware upgrade option. This should be treated with great care if using with a P2 Pro as a firmware upgrade may have unpredictable results. I strongly recommend that any firmware upgrade should only be applied to the exact model sir which it was intended.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2022, 10:21:58 pm »
Thanks for the detailed review and comments! I've already received mine, but do you know how the burn protection works? What would actually cause damage to the sensor? One thing I tried was measuring the temperature of oil in a pan and it immediately went into burn protection mode. But I don't think it would be even outside the 500 degree measurement range.


I'll second the recommendation to not update the firmware though, I recently did it for my laptop's touchscreen and it actually installed the wrong configuration (from a different model) so the touchscreen is now useless. Oops!
 

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2022, 11:59:39 pm »
Infiray indicate that they do not recommend prolonged exposure of the P2 to a scene with contents above 300 Celsius.

From the P2 manual….

“ This product is sensitive to thermal radiation. Whether you are using it or not, do not direct its lens to the sun or other heat sources at temperatures above 300 for a long time.”

Read more: https://manuals.plus/infiray/p2-night-vision-go-thermal-camera-imager-infrared-imaging-for-mobile-phone-manual#ixzz7naNjP37R

Most microbolometers are pretty robust and ‘sun safe’ but Infiray clearly have concerns about burn-in so have included this warning in the manual. It is possible to cause localised heating of the microbolometer die through long exposure to a hot source but the effects of this (a ghost image) normally fade away quite quickly once the camera is no longer viewing the source. During my testing of the P2 Pro with the Blackbody sources, I moved the camera away between measurements above 100C as the emitted thermal energy would start to cook the P2 casing and potentially impact the measurement accuracy.

I suspect the idea is that if you enable the high temperature protection, it avoids a mistake being made as the camera will protect itself by placing the FFC flag in front of the microbolometer if a temperature above 300C is detected in the field of view. The user must then manually disable the protection to view a target that is above 300C. This is sort of a reminder that the source temperature potentially could have an impact on the P2 camera if exposure is prolonged at close range.

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Re: REVIEW - INFIRAY P2 PRO thermal camera dongle for Android mobile phones
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2022, 12:18:21 am »
There is a new release of the P2 Pro APP  :-+

The release is version 1.0.7.221214 so was created on Wednesday. Upon installing it I immediately noticed that the issue of the ‘APP not starting from the P2 Pro Icon’ issue has been fixed  :-+.

The issue of the P2 Pro camera not being seen when connected seems to be far less common now. It had become quite a regular event during my testing of the camera. Hopefully this has been addressed in the new APP release….. early days though  :)

We still have no rotation of menu’s in Landscape mode but that can sit on the “suggestions list” as it is not essential to operation of the camera.

I am pleased that Infiray are quick to correct bugs in their software  :-+

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