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Thermal Master P3 USB Thermal Camera Dongle

First Impressions by Fraser




Thermal Master has sent me a P3 USB Thermal Camera Dongle for testing.

What makes this particular thermal camera dongle stand out in the crowd is the combination of a manual focus lens and the Thermal Master AI driven X3 resolution enhancement mode.

First impressions of the camera dongle are excellent. It appears well designed, with a high quality metal case and lens assembly. The casing is not as small as that of the P2 and P2 Pro but it remains conveniently compact and sleek. The finish on the case is also of high quality in a mainly satin black coating with brass/gold accents for those who like a thermal camera with style :)  The USB Type-C plug extending from the top surface appears well secured into the cameras case and shows no signs of weakness in the design. The plug is extended to permit easy mounting on a mobile phone that is wearing a protective cover.

The P3 is supplied with some useful accessories:

1. USB-C extension cable 48cm in length
2. USB-C socket to Lightning plug adapter for older iOS devices
3. USB-C socket to USB-A plug for connection to a PC or Tablet
4. Rugged carry case for P3 and accessories

The box advertises the P3 as "All-OS", hence the inclusion of the adapters to facilitate connection to a wide range of devices. From what I have seen, the P3 is able to operate with iOS, Android and Windows platforms but I have not seen software support stated for Linux. I am uncertain whether Apple MAC is supported. The various Apps are available via the phones App store and the PC software, called "Temp Master" is available from the Download area of the Thermal Master Web site (Note comments later in this document regarding the PC software).

The specifications of the P3 are a pleasure to read as they provide an insight into the P3's varied capabilities. The specifications are repeated below:

Model: P3

Infrared Core: Thermal Master High-Sensitivity Sensor

Detector: Vox 256x192 @12μm

X³IR™ Resolution: 512x384 pixels

Frame Rate 25Hz

NETD: <35mk@25℃

Focal Length: 4.3mm

Lens FOV: 40°x30.2°

Focusing Mode: Manual Focus Lens with Macro down to 8mm distance

Digital Zoom: 15× (common sense applies here as resolution decreases with an increase in Digital Zoom)

Measurement Range: -4℉~1122℉(-20℃~600℃)

Temp Accuracy: ±2℃ or ±2% of the reading

Power Consumption: 0.32W

Image enhancement: RazorX™ Ultra-Clear algorithm

Accuracy Enhancement: IQ+ Precision Temp
(Dynamic compensation algorithm for temperature drift with intelligent sensing of ambient temperature)

Isotherm mode: Yes
A setting that highlights a specific range of temperatures within the thermal image, making them stand out with a distinct color)

Compatibility: iPhone®, iPad®, Android™ Phones and PCs
(iPhone 8-16, Android 7.0 or higher system)

Size (LxWxH) : 59*27*17.2 mm

Case Material: Aerospace Alloy

Plug: Plug extended by 2mm, compatible with most phone cases

Package Content: P3 thermal camera, portable case, Type-C to Lightning adapter, 50cm extension cable, user manual


From the above specifications it can be seen that the P3 uses a 256x192 pixel 25fps thermal imaging core that has a stated NETD of <35mK. That is an impressive thermal sensitivity. I do recommend that buyers not get too fixated on NETD though. Whilst it can be a guide to thermal sensitivity when comparing different cameras or cores, it is not the "whole picture" when assessing camera performance. Thermal Master have created an image and measurement enhancement package for their cameras and these are present in the P3. We have the X3 resolution enhancement mode that is said to use AI in its operation. This creates a 512 x 384 pixel image from the physical 256x192 pixel microbolometer output. In my experience this X3 mode can work well in many thermal scenes. The RazorX algorithm is focussed on image enhancement whilst the IQ+ algorithm focuses on providing the best measurement accuracy possible fro a given thermal scene and target. This package of image processing and enhancement algorithms is welcomed as image processing is a key are in thermal imaging that needs to continue development to provide the best possible images from the relatively low resolution thermal imaging microbolometers.

The P3 clearly has good microbolometer and image processing/enhancement credentials, but all that is wasted if the lens system that illuminates the microbolometer is of poor design or poor quality. Thankfully Thermal Master understand the need for good optics and have not held back on the production cost of the small, but perfectly formed, lens and manual focus assembly. The lens is recessed deep into the lens barrel affording it good impact protection, and the metal manual focus ring is beautifully designed to be large enough to be easily operated whilst not being cumbersome and projecting too far forward of the casing. When using the manual focus I found it to be very forgiving in terms of Depth of Field and the focus ring movement is beautifully smooth with just the right amount of rotation resistance, likely provided by a carefully selected high viscosity optical grease. The large focus ring is the perfect size for ease of use. I found that I am able to adjust the focus with one finger acting on the focus ring at the side of the cameras case. Very nice. I have no complaints about the choice of lens, its FOV or the feel of the manual focus function whilst in use. I am pleased that Thermal Master elected to use a 40 Degree HFOV lens rather than something nearer to 60 degrees as other cameras use. The 40 degree HFOV lens provides a better IFOV figure.

There will always be those who like, or dislike, the idea of attaching a thermal camera to a mobile phone. I tend to fall into the "dislike" category of user as I have always used complete thermal cameras that are rugged and an "All-in-One" thermal imaging solution. That said, I have modified my view of thermal imaging USB dongles since using some for PCB analysis and testing for reviews. The FLIR One G2, G3 and Seek Thermal Classic Dongle Cameras left me feeling underwhelmed with the whole USB thermal camera dongle experience but the Infiray P2 Pro changed that view for me. A well designed USB thermal camera dongle with good thermal imaging capabilities can be a pleasure to use. Granted there is the need for a Host phone, tablet or PC, but these are not rare items in daily life these days. The versatility of the small USB thermal dongles is what I like. I can attach one to my everyday phone, a dedicated workshop phone or some other host. I can use an extension cable to make the thermal imaging Dongle even more versatile for PCB analysis or imaging in confined spaces. Do remember personal safety when delving in a car engine bay or a live equipment cabinet though ! For me I am now a convert to USB thermal imaging dongles in situations for which they are well suited. I still use my "All-in-One" type thermal imaging cameras as they have their strengths as well. I love the Thermal Master THOR series that I am currently testing, but that excellent camera has a size disadvantage when working in confined spaces or wanting to have a thermal imaging capability on your person when out and about, without the weight of a larger camera format. For those, like me, who dislike holding a mobile phone between their fingers whilst using it, I found several excellent "pistol grip" format mobile phone handlers. The Manfrotto travel format "Pistol grip" holder is an excellent compact solution.

So we are going a bit deeper than I intended with this post but I am genuinely impressed with the products offered by Thermal Master and the P3 is no exception, so it is easy to get carried away !

A first impressions post would not be complete without some sample "teaser" images captured by the camera so I am including a few here and there will be more in the full review, including comparisons between images captured with the X3 mode on and off to show what it does.

The P3 was connected to my Motorola phone and the Temp-Master app that was previously installed for my Thermal Master P2 recognised the P3 and began working with it without incident. This App can attach GPS data to images so I will need to strip that data off of any images that I upload and this should be considered by users of these cameras and the related Apps. I am sure Thermal Master are not alone in Geo tagging images. The App also saves the images in a large format over which I have no control, so please forgive the image sizes in this thread ! (software size reduction could degrade the thermal images).

I attempted to connect the P3 to my Windows 7 laptop and then to my Windows 10 laptop. Sadly I could not get the Temp-Master PC software to install in the English language or do anything more than display the thermal image stream. I shall have to investigate the PC software situation further and maybe discuss with Thermal Master after making sure that I am not doing something stupid !

The sample images provided here include the usual, (obligatory) cat images,  some house images and images of my Philips DVB set top box PCB as used for other reviews that I have written. More interesting targets will be included in the full review. I carried out a quick P3 measurement accuracy test against a known accurate Black Body and the result was impressive after allowing the camera to warm up. For a 40 degree Celsius Black Body reference, I measured the emission plate as 39.9 and 40.0 Degrees Celsius with the P3. Not bad at all :) The camera must be allowed to temperature stabilise though and this is true of all thermal cameras when the highest measurement accuracy is required.

So in summary, do I like the Thermal Master P3 manual focus thermal imaging USB Dongle ?

That is simple to answer as I very much like what I see in the P3. Its imaging performance, within the obvious constraints of a 256x192 physical pixel microbolometer camera, is excellent. The X3 super resolution mode certainly appears to be a very useful resolution enhancement tool as well.

The full review of the P3 will follow once I have had some time using the unit in various situations and collecting imagery to share with this forum. If considering the purchase of a USB thermal imaging dongle then the P3 is most certainly worthy of serious consideration. If manual focus is not desired, the P2 and its tiny brother, the P2 Pro, are excellent alternatives. There are reviews of both by me on this forum. For a manual focus USB dongle type thermal imaging solution the P3 offers a lot and is very versatile.
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Thermal images begin here  :-+

X3 Super resolution mode is on in these images
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Thermal Images continued.

X3 Super Resolution mode is on in these images

These images are of the Philips DVB set top box PCB and show some of the available Palettes.
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Now for the close-up images and very close-up images  ;D

X3 Super Resolution mode is on in these images
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A quick comparison between images produced at the native 256x192 pixel resolution and those created by the AI driven X3 Super Resolution mode. The first image of each pair is in standard resolution and the second is with X3 switched on. I have found that cats fur presents teh X3 AI algorithm with a significant challenge ! Cats make great test targets.... when they hang around long enough to image !  ;D

The X3 Super Resolution AI Algorithm copes much better with scenes that contain straight lines and more predictable content structure.
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Comparison continues. First image of pair is with X3 off nad second is with it on.
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The P3 Measurement accuracy test.

This test used a known accurate Black Body thermal reference that had been set to +40 Celsius and left to stabilise for 1 hour before the test began.

The P3 camera was attached to the Motorola phone and the App switched on. The P3 camera was allowed to temperature stabilise for 15 minutes before the measurement was taken.

The distance between the Black Body emission plate and the P3 camera lens was 0.5m and the Black Body has an Emissivity of 0.97. This data was entered into the Temp-Master App prior to the test.

The test result was a measurement that alternated between 39.9 and 40.0 Degrees Celsius. An excellent measurement accuracy in this test.
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First I would like to thank you for sharing all the wealth of knowledge on thermal cameras with us.

I have a relevant question.

I see on Thermal Master web site that there is a PC (Windows) application that is supposed to work with Android version of P2/P2 Pro/and P3.
Did you try it, and if you did, how well it works?
I would like to have the camera pretty much at my desk (maybe occasionally with a phone if needed), where I already have a PC and large screen for other instruments... If it does work well with PC, then I think of getting one.

Thank you and my best,

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Hi,

Yes I tested the PC software that is available on the Thermal Master Download page. Sadly I am having trouble with it as it installs in Chinese language, no matter what I select during installation.
I can see a streamed image from the P3 camera but can find no other functionality in the program. Something appears to be wrong and I have tried multiple Windows 7 and Windows 10 laptops today.
I have literally just sent an email to my contact at Thermal Master highlighting the issue and asking for it to be investigated. I will advise here when I know more.

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Whilst packing up the P3 cables I remembered something I omitted from my comments. I am not sure about the fit of the USB-C to USB-A adapter as it does not snap into place like my other USB-C adapters and the engagement of the USB-C plug into the adapter seems too shallow. I had multiple intermittent USB disconnects when using the adapter. I used another adapter with the provided USB extension cable and it worked well. I will raise this issue with Thermal Master. Thankfully USB-C to USB-A adapters are very inexpensive so, whilst unfortunate, I do not consider this a big issue. The supplied little adapter looks very nicely made which makes this even more of a pity.

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I'm considering the P3 or the Thor 001 for primarily PCB diagnostics.  The Thor user guide mentions supporting mounting on a tripod.
The Thermal Master website for the P3 has a picture of a camera mounted on a stand looking at a PCB.  Looking at your posted pictures of the camera it's not clear to me how it mounts.

Were you manually holding it when taking the pictures of the Philips DVB set top box or were you using some type of stand?
 

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Hi,

I had the P3 attached to my phone and the phone held in a common mobile phone tripod mount that was attached to a mini tripod. The Philips DVB box was standing vertical in front of the camera. Using a mobile phone holder it would be possible to attach the phone and P3 to an articulating arm or other mount. As far as I am aware, thermal master do it offer a desk mount option for the P3. I used a 3D printed camera holder for my P2 Pro when attaching it to various stands. See my review of the P2 Pro for lots of options for mounting a finger camera on a support, remote from the mobile phone.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/review-infiray-p2-pro-thermal-camera-dongle-for-android-mobile-phones/

A normal mobile phone holder/clamp could be easily adapter to hold the P3 as it is almost as wide as a common smart phone.


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Does the P3 have to connect to a phone or can you plug it into a PC or mac with a USB C cable and control it from there?
 

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Does the P3 have to connect to a phone or can you plug it into a PC or mac with a USB C cable and control it from there?
Temp Master is available for iOS. It might work on Apple silicon for portables or desktops. That would be your risk. Windows PCs I have no idea.
 

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Thermal Master provided a Temp Master for PC software on their download page but I could not get it to work. After raising this issue with them they have just sent me a new version of the PC software that I will test with the P3 later today. The P series software for PC supports the P2, P2 Pro and P3 cameras.

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Thanks for the review 👍

A couple of questions:
  • Any chance the thing runs on Linux?
  • And have you checked the app for privacy invasions?
  • Suggestion: add some photos of distribution panels. Might be interesting for some people.
 

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1. As far as I am aware thermal Master do not include Linux in their P3 supported operating systems.You could ask them about an SDK as that may include Linux related drivers and libraries.

2. I have no interest in investigating software vulnerabilities or “privacy invasions” as I consider all software coming out of China carries that risk. I use such software on systems that have zero sensitivities. GPS Geo tagging is a known issue and I remove all metadata before posting images on the internet. Every user of such software will have their own risk appetite.

3. Sadly I do not have access to suitable distribution panels for such testing.

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Whilst packing up the P3 cables I remembered something I omitted from my comments. I am not sure about the fit of the USB-C to USB-A adapter as it does not snap into place like my other USB-C adapters and the engagement of the USB-C plug into the adapter seems too shallow. I had multiple intermittent USB disconnects when using the adapter. I used another adapter with the provided USB extension cable and it worked well. I will raise this issue with Thermal Master. Thankfully USB-C to USB-A adapters are very inexpensive so, whilst unfortunate, I do not consider this a big issue. The supplied little adapter looks very nicely made which makes this even more of a pity.

Fraser

Same experience here with the adapter. It's disconnecting the camera with the slightest lateral movement of the cable. The molding they used added to much plastic after the metal edge of the usb receptable. I will try to file it a little to see if that helps.
 
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CANUK,

Have you managed to install and use the Thermal Master P3 PC software ? My attempts keep ending with a working program but in the Chinese language.

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I have fixed the issue of the P3 PC software displaying in Chinese. I edited the setup file and changed the language entry from 0 to 1 and the English language is now displayed in the program.

Sadly I am still trying to work out why I have a display misalignment issue with associated soft button selection offset. I have to press a button by positioning the mouse arrow about 5mm above it. All the bottom buttons have shifted off of the bottom of the display window as well. Thermal Master are also looking into this for me. It looks like a classic Windows scaling issue but I am working at 100%. Setting 125% actually reveals more of the bottom buttons !  I get these symptoms on multiple PC’s that are running Win10 so would love to hear from anyone who has the software working without the Chinese language being set during installation and/or the display is correctly aligned and all soft buttons visible.

TIA

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Thermal Master are working with me to identify the cause of problems I am having with their P series PC software. My installations end up in the Chinese language with a vertical display offset within the window (downwards) that causes misalignment of the soft button touch areas and loss of the soft buttons at the bottom of the display. The software runs and displays the P3 Thermal image fine.  The Chinese language issue is easily resolved by editing the setup file and changing language from ‘0’ to ‘1’. The file is found in the Program Data (hidden file in C:\) area of your PC under Thermal Master. If anyone else wants to try an installation of the software (it does not require a P3 to be present) it is to be found here under the name P Series software for PC. This software also works with ten P2.cameras.

https://thermalmaster.com/pages/download-center

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@Fraser

Yes same issues here. I fixed the default language by hardcoding /translation/SharpInfraredAnalyzer_en_US.qm in the EXE itself (didn't think of looking into the hidden files  :-DD )

I reported the offset issue yesterday as well.
 
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CANUK,

Thanks for this. It proves to Thermal Master that the problem is not my PC’s ( though I have tried several) and is an issue with the P3 software. Thank you for helping. Hopefully Thermal Master will fix this issue quickly for us.

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“Sharp Infrared Analyzer” is ringing a bell in my memory ! I believe that is a 3rd party software.

I will investigate

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As I thought, Sharp Infrared Analyzer has been mentioned for use with the P2 in the discussion attached.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/infiray-and-their-p2-pro-discussion/275/

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