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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2024, 10:21:40 pm »
Something I am seeing from the files provided with UserMenu is file names "GALPRC" and "GALUPRC". I am thinking GALPRC is an advanced menu and GALUPRC is a standard menu. I hope there is no password barrier to accessing any advanced menu that may exist. I see that the GALUPRC ICD file mentions only the DFV lens whilst teh GALPRC ICD mentions DFV and TFV.

I tested both of my Radiance 1 cameras with UserMenu running on an era appropriate 80286 PC to see if that would work. I still had communications test timeout errors with NIL data received, so it is not a case of needing the right age of computer to use this DOS software.

Thank you for the file. Have you had UserMenu3 working with a Galileo ? I hope the copy of UserMenu3 that I have is not in some way faulty  :palm:

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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2024, 10:24:19 pm »
Yeah I have not tested usermenu myself as I have been using the TWI software with the Galileo/Radiance HS. It is on my to do list though. I have to setup Dos in a box and hopefully I can communicate via that. Or else I have to find something old enough to run MS-DOS haha.
 

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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2024, 11:12:14 pm »
I shall have to try the TWI software with my Radiance 1 to see if it complains about not seeing a Galileo HS connected. I should have done that before now :palm: That would show whether there really is a camera identity code present in the command protocol. Such a pity if there is and it is embedded in the UserMenu EXE file.

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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2024, 11:15:13 pm »
The TWI software is very specific with the firmware. Maybe typing 3.0 will work? But not sure. I find using RTool's Radiance 1 GUI the best. You dont need a license to run just the Radiance 1 software. Also I will update you on the Data Acquisition of the Radiance 1. If I can get the pleora LVDS working with the Radiance 1 you will most likely be able to use it in FLIR ResearchIR
 
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2024, 07:40:02 am »
Huge progress on both figuring out Usermenu as well as the TFOV menu. Given that there were no instructions in any of the usermenu version. I decided to just take a look at all the files itself under a text editor.

I came across a few batch files found in an older version of usermenu called GAL158 (GAL probably means Galileo :D). They had a weird format so to investigate deeper I went into Usermenu itself. After firing up Usermenu and hitting F1, I found an interesting function under the Direct Menu Manipulation Commands:

;mn, ‹filename>, ‹menuname> (diagnostic user only).

After comparing this structure to the batch files I found that the command:                ;mn,Galuprc,MainMenu
came up a alot. So when firing up Usermenu.exe from Menu3 in DosBox I typed in (exactly as seen):    ;mn,Galprc,MainMenu

And boom it showed the advanced menu. I chose this specific command because of what @Fraser found earlier in Galprc
Also notice the difference between the titles in the attached photos. One says Usermenu Menu: Radiance HS and the other says Diagnostic Menu: Radiance HS

Once I get this connected to a serial monitor I will see what kind of commands (most likely hex) are being sent out. And hopefully this will once and for all solve the mysterious TFOV commands :)
But it is pretty late so I will investigate tomorrow haha.
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2024, 07:03:01 pm »
Got around to playing with the .HEX File I extracted from the main 87C51 chip and these are the results. Plan is to play around with it in the a dev board.
 
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2025, 04:29:12 pm »
Apparently in 2002 Indigo Systems (aka FLIR) made a fully enclosed system with this lens called the TH-10.
Looks like there were options for both Merlin and Phoenix MWIR systems. Very interesting  :)

https://web.archive.org/web/20040615085358/http://www.indigosystems.com/PDF/TH-10_Brochure.pdf
 
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2025, 01:13:37 am »
Apparently in 2002 Indigo Systems (aka FLIR) made a fully enclosed system with this lens called the TH-10.
Looks like there were options for both Merlin and Phoenix MWIR systems. Very interesting  :)

https://web.archive.org/web/20040615085358/http://www.indigosystems.com/PDF/TH-10_Brochure.pdf


We actually own one of these, which has the Radiance and the TFOV lens inside of it (see attached). We are able to talk to the camera, but not the lens, yet.

Your investigation so far has been really helpful in narrowing down some options on what commands to send it!
 
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2025, 01:23:48 am »
Wow what a find! How did you come across this camera? It is quite rare to have. (Also curious to see which Amber camera you have Radiance 1 or Radiance HS/Galileo)

And could you post more pictures of it? That would be helpful in figuring out how to communicate with it.
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2025, 06:29:19 pm »
There are many electronic devices in storage procured over many years... I honestly couldn't tell you how we got this. It has a Radiance 1 in it (we actually have 3 of those!) and I've been talking to Fraser regarding his experiences with the camera, which has been very helpful.

I've attached some more pictures - if there's something specific you're looking for send me a PM.

(I'm slightly miffed about the lens connector ending in a molex, I'm suspicious that somebody at some later date may have done that)
 
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2025, 06:45:04 pm »
Wow, I can see now how they fit the Radiance one in there :D .

How many wires are going from the molex to the DB9? A pic of the molex and other connections would help.
 

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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2025, 07:22:06 pm »
How many wires are going from the molex to the DB9?

5 wires, to pins 2, 3, 5 (presumably RX/TX/Ground) and pins 8 & 9 (24VDC/GND)

Once I get this connected to a serial monitor I will see what kind of commands (most likely hex) are being sent out. And hopefully this will once and for all solve the mysterious TFOV commands :)
But it is pretty late so I will investigate tomorrow haha.

Did you have any luck seeing any of the commands? I've tried sending the lens all kinds of things via RS-232, but see no changes and receive no responses, so I assume it's looking for something specific.

I did find the correct lens control command codes to send to the Radiance 1 camera, but those only control lenses that are connected via the front port on the camera...  :--
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Re: Amber/Raytheon Triple Field of View (TFOV 60/180/500 mm) Lens
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2025, 07:42:48 pm »
No I haven't. When I turn on the lens it does its limit switch homing sequence but after that I don't get any response from the RS-232.

This is why I am currently trying to decompile the original firmware to see if I can figure out the original commands of the lens. The hex code is attached in previous post, if you want to have a shot at it.

How is the TFOV lens connected? Is it connected via a main connector harness and not to the front lens connector of the radiance?

Do you have a picture of the rear wiring of the TH-10
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