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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1875 on: June 25, 2015, 06:15:36 pm »
I just preordered one... we'll see what happens!
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1876 on: June 25, 2015, 06:21:46 pm »
Are you happy with it?

Yeah, it's decent. I got the XR version, which means I can focus on PCBs from upclose without needing extra lens.

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I hope you're right about the resolution.
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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1877 on: June 25, 2015, 07:01:00 pm »
@Aurora
So in your expert opinion now one should definetly go for the flir one?
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1878 on: June 25, 2015, 07:49:50 pm »
Comment on 2nd Gen FLIR ONE removed as OT

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1879 on: June 25, 2015, 08:03:07 pm »
Comment on 2nd Gen FLIR ONE removed as OT

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1880 on: June 25, 2015, 09:14:56 pm »
That is amazing they just posted the resolution. I was just on there. Are they listening?
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1881 on: June 25, 2015, 10:00:23 pm »
I'm not sure about Seek not delivering, I don't see any complains about the current image quality out of the box. There were some gradients forming of about 5 degrees at launch, but that has been fixed for quite a while. And only reported by people here and Seek responded and fixed it

Also let's not forget the range:



What I'm not sure is why people feel inclined to post about Flir in this thread.

We can communicate directly from the Seek firmware to any USB host device, we have not tried yet to send more commands to it, but there are plenty but buried in this giant thread that keeps getting buried even deeper with non Seek Thermal info.

 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1882 on: June 25, 2015, 10:12:05 pm »
Comment on 2nd Gen FLIR ONE removed as OT

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1883 on: June 25, 2015, 10:38:01 pm »
Not the resolution, but the temperature range. That's a higher limitation that number of pixels for me, at -20C to 120C it's closer but still not closer than Seek at -40C to 330C
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1884 on: June 25, 2015, 10:51:20 pm »
@miguelvp,

I realise now that you are right.

It is best to leave this thread to those with an interest in the SEEK camera only. Those wishing to find information on the new FLIR product can search the forum for such. Such OT discussion just lowers the signal to noise ratio in this thread. I have deleted the 2nd Gen FLIR One information and comments. As I am no longer an owner of the SEEK product, I will keep my views to myself  ;)

I hope you continue to enjoy developing your applications to extract the most out of the SEEK camera unit.

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1885 on: July 01, 2015, 02:10:15 pm »
This now appears to be available on amazon.co.uk. Maybe they are now shipping to international destinations?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seek-Thermal-Connector-Protective-Waterproof/dp/B00Y2QO79I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435759649&sr=8-1&keywords=seek+thermal

Still at £259 that a fair bit more expensive than the Flir One V2 (which is £165 +vat = £198)

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-imaging-cameras/8837043/

 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1886 on: July 01, 2015, 04:44:21 pm »
This now appears to be available on amazon.co.uk. Maybe they are now shipping to international destinations?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seek-Thermal-Connector-Protective-Waterproof/dp/B00Y2QO79I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435759649&sr=8-1&keywords=seek+thermal

Still at £259 that a fair bit more expensive than the Flir One V2 (which is £165 +vat = £198)

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-imaging-cameras/8837043/
Who cares - looks like new Flir One will kill it, or at the very least force them to cut the price
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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1887 on: July 02, 2015, 09:26:52 am »
... looks like new Flir One will kill it ...
Let them "kill" themself and... get better lower price for USB Seek dongle  :-DD

Anyway, Flir One can't kill my custom Seek USB software I'd like to use to controll my  cheap reflow oven and pick & place machine  :popcorn:

BTW: 120*Cmax in Flir One that is a shame  :palm:
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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1888 on: July 03, 2015, 03:41:49 am »
Chipworks have released a picture of the SEEK thermal Pixels. Nice image and enlightening too.

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1889 on: July 03, 2015, 06:14:15 am »
Can you share your knowledge about what we are seeing here?
I see that each pixel is made of 4 parts, but I have no idea of the purpose of each...
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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1890 on: July 03, 2015, 07:03:32 am »
... looks like new Flir One will kill it ...
Let them "kill" themself and... get better lower price for USB Seek dongle  :-DD

Anyway, Flir One can't kill my custom Seek USB software I'd like to use to controll my  cheap reflow oven and pick & place machine  :popcorn:

BTW: 120*Cmax in Flir One that is a shame  :palm:

You build yourself a pick and place machine?
Do you have some pix online some ware of it?
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1891 on: July 03, 2015, 09:20:21 am »
picture of the SEEK thermal Pixels.
It looks like those dead pixels (hexagon "patent" pattern) are not blanked in software, by as expected they did it hardware  :-+

Anyway, we can see there another "dead" pixel on the bottom or above, sonde this at the bottom missing any structures, but this above does look as damaged with only thiz zigzag traces, whatever it is?  :-DD

There shouldn't be two blanked pixels side by side ;)
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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1892 on: July 03, 2015, 09:29:29 am »
You build yourself a pick and place machine?
Rather machine which could help build prototypes ;)
Idea is similiar to pick & place, but simplified-provide manually IC needed on blue table and let imag eprocessing software recognize proper ICs and other SMD parts and put in right places on PCBs which will be not bigger than 5cm x 5cm, so I believe in it can be much cheaper than any other more advanced machines.
Speed is not my concern for the moment. I can do in parallel development tasks etc-just I'd like have a tool to pick and place SMD parts without looking and searching for those parts in small store of those ICs ;)
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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1893 on: July 04, 2015, 07:27:51 am »
Could you make a few images?  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1894 on: July 04, 2015, 07:28:32 am »
picture of the SEEK thermal Pixels.
It looks like those dead pixels (hexagon "patent" pattern) are not blanked in software, by as expected they did it hardware  :-+

Anyway, we can see there another "dead" pixel on the bottom or above, sonde this at the bottom missing any structures, but this above does look as damaged with only thiz zigzag traces, whatever it is?  :-DD

There shouldn't be two blanked pixels side by side ;)

whts the purpose of thise dead pixels?
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1895 on: July 04, 2015, 07:35:12 am »
whts the purpose of thise dead pixels?

Manufacturing artifact most likely.
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1896 on: July 04, 2015, 07:36:07 am »
1. Please post about pick&place machine in separate thread...
2. Pixels are "destoyed" in software not in hardware (possibly due to Flir patents).

More Seek images from: https://twitter.com/BenKrasnow/media



 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1897 on: July 04, 2015, 07:41:19 am »
frenky,

That's interesting, I thought it's a limitation of the manufacturing process and they had to leave some of them blank.
 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1898 on: July 04, 2015, 07:43:39 am »
What is interesting is that images of pixels are different from two separate sources.
Could it be that SeeKThermal and SeekThemal XR have different sensors?


 

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Re: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal
« Reply #1899 on: July 04, 2015, 09:22:00 am »
2. Pixels are "destoyed" in software not in hardware (possibly due to Flir patents).
Maybe, we didn't see all Seek pixels, but two or more dead pixels close each other side by side isn't good news.

More Seek images from: https://twitter.com/BenKrasnow/media
Do not believe in everything posted in internet, since everybody can post now-remember Seek competes with Flir and cyber wars are part of it. How could you verify that those images shows oryginal Seek sensor, especially when they differ? You have no chance, unless you take this chip and do it yourself with friend at university lab  ;)
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