Author Topic: Yet another cheap thermal imager incoming.. Seek Thermal (Read 1017770 times)

jadew · « **Reply #1875 on:** June 25, 2015, 06:21:46 pm »

Quote from: Trax on June 25, 2015, 05:59:38 pm

Are you happy with it?

Yeah, it's decent. I got the XR version, which means I can focus on PCBs from upclose without needing extra lens.

Edit:
@Aurora
I hope you're right about the resolution.

Trax · « **Reply #1876 on:** June 25, 2015, 07:01:00 pm »

@Aurora
So in your expert opinion now one should definetly go for the flir one?

Fraser · « **Reply #1877 on:** June 25, 2015, 07:49:50 pm »

Comment on 2nd Gen FLIR ONE removed as OT

Aurora

Fraser · « **Reply #1878 on:** June 25, 2015, 08:03:07 pm »

Comment on 2nd Gen FLIR ONE removed as OT

Aurora

arsenix · « **Reply #1879 on:** June 25, 2015, 09:14:56 pm »

That is amazing they just posted the resolution. I was just on there. Are they listening?

miguelvp · « **Reply #1880 on:** June 25, 2015, 10:00:23 pm »

I'm not sure about Seek not delivering, I don't see any complains about the current image quality out of the box. There were some gradients forming of about 5 degrees at launch, but that has been fixed for quite a while. And only reported by people here and Seek responded and fixed it

Also let's not forget the range:

What I'm not sure is why people feel inclined to post about Flir in this thread.

We can communicate directly from the Seek firmware to any USB host device, we have not tried yet to send more commands to it, but there are plenty but buried in this giant thread that keeps getting buried even deeper with non Seek Thermal info.

Fraser · « **Reply #1881 on:** June 25, 2015, 10:12:05 pm »

Comment on 2nd Gen FLIR ONE removed as OT

Aurora

miguelvp · « **Reply #1882 on:** June 25, 2015, 10:38:01 pm »

Not the resolution, but the temperature range. That's a higher limitation that number of pixels for me, at -20C to 120C it's closer but still not closer than Seek at -40C to 330C

Fraser · « **Reply #1883 on:** June 25, 2015, 10:51:20 pm »

@miguelvp,

I realise now that you are right.

It is best to leave this thread to those with an interest in the SEEK camera only. Those wishing to find information on the new FLIR product can search the forum for such. Such OT discussion just lowers the signal to noise ratio in this thread. I have deleted the 2nd Gen FLIR One information and comments. As I am no longer an owner of the SEEK product, I will keep my views to myself

I hope you continue to enjoy developing your applications to extract the most out of the SEEK camera unit.

Aurora

kihon · « **Reply #1884 on:** July 01, 2015, 02:10:15 pm »

This now appears to be available on amazon.co.uk. Maybe they are now shipping to international destinations?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seek-Thermal-Connector-Protective-Waterproof/dp/B00Y2QO79I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435759649&sr=8-1&keywords=seek+thermal

Still at £259 that a fair bit more expensive than the Flir One V2 (which is £165 +vat = £198)

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-imaging-cameras/8837043/

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #1885 on:** July 01, 2015, 04:44:21 pm »

Quote from: kihon on July 01, 2015, 02:10:15 pm

This now appears to be available on amazon.co.uk. Maybe they are now shipping to international destinations?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seek-Thermal-Connector-Protective-Waterproof/dp/B00Y2QO79I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435759649&sr=8-1&keywords=seek+thermal

Still at £259 that a fair bit more expensive than the Flir One V2 (which is £165 +vat = £198)

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-imaging-cameras/8837043/

Who cares - looks like new Flir One will kill it, or at the very least force them to cut the price

eneuro · « **Reply #1886 on:** July 02, 2015, 09:26:52 am »

Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 01, 2015, 04:44:21 pm

... looks like new Flir One will kill it ...

Let them "kill" themself and... get better lower price for USB Seek dongle

Anyway, Flir One can't kill my custom Seek USB software I'd like to use to controll my cheap reflow oven and pick & place machine

BTW: 120*Cmax in Flir One that is a shame

Fraser · « **Reply #1887 on:** July 03, 2015, 03:41:49 am »

Chipworks have released a picture of the SEEK thermal Pixels. Nice image and enlightening too.

Aurora

frenky · « **Reply #1888 on:** July 03, 2015, 06:14:15 am »

Can you share your knowledge about what we are seeing here?
I see that each pixel is made of 4 parts, but I have no idea of the purpose of each...

Trax · « **Reply #1889 on:** July 03, 2015, 07:03:32 am »

Quote from: eneuro on July 02, 2015, 09:26:52 am

Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 01, 2015, 04:44:21 pm
... looks like new Flir One will kill it ...
Let them "kill" themself and... get better lower price for USB Seek dongle

Anyway, Flir One can't kill my custom Seek USB software I'd like to use to controll my cheap reflow oven and pick & place machine

BTW: 120*Cmax in Flir One that is a shame

You build yourself a pick and place machine?
Do you have some pix online some ware of it?

eneuro · « **Reply #1890 on:** July 03, 2015, 09:20:21 am »

Quote from: Aurora on July 03, 2015, 03:41:49 am

picture of the SEEK thermal Pixels.

It looks like those dead pixels (hexagon "patent" pattern) are not blanked in software, by as expected they did it hardware

Anyway, we can see there another "dead" pixel on the bottom or above, sonde this at the bottom missing any structures, but this above does look as damaged with only thiz zigzag traces, whatever it is?

There shouldn't be two blanked pixels side by side

eneuro · « **Reply #1891 on:** July 03, 2015, 09:29:29 am »

Quote from: Trax on July 03, 2015, 07:03:32 am

You build yourself a pick and place machine?

Rather machine which could help build prototypes

Idea is similiar to pick & place, but simplified-provide manually IC needed on blue table and let imag eprocessing software recognize proper ICs and other SMD parts and put in right places on PCBs which will be not bigger than 5cm x 5cm, so I believe in it can be much cheaper than any other more advanced machines.
Speed is not my concern for the moment. I can do in parallel development tasks etc-just I'd like have a tool to pick and place SMD parts without looking and searching for those parts in small store of those ICs

Trax · « **Reply #1892 on:** July 04, 2015, 07:27:51 am »

Could you make a few images?

Trax · « **Reply #1893 on:** July 04, 2015, 07:28:32 am »

Quote from: eneuro on July 03, 2015, 09:20:21 am

Quote from: Aurora on July 03, 2015, 03:41:49 am
picture of the SEEK thermal Pixels.
It looks like those dead pixels (hexagon "patent" pattern) are not blanked in software, by as expected they did it hardware

Anyway, we can see there another "dead" pixel on the bottom or above, sonde this at the bottom missing any structures, but this above does look as damaged with only thiz zigzag traces, whatever it is?

There shouldn't be two blanked pixels side by side

whts the purpose of thise dead pixels?

jadew · « **Reply #1894 on:** July 04, 2015, 07:35:12 am »

Quote from: Trax on July 04, 2015, 07:28:32 am

whts the purpose of thise dead pixels?

Manufacturing artifact most likely.

frenky · « **Reply #1895 on:** July 04, 2015, 07:36:07 am »

1. Please post about pick&place machine in separate thread...
2. Pixels are "destoyed" in software not in hardware (possibly due to Flir patents).

More Seek images from: https://twitter.com/BenKrasnow/media

jadew · « **Reply #1896 on:** July 04, 2015, 07:41:19 am »

frenky,

That's interesting, I thought it's a limitation of the manufacturing process and they had to leave some of them blank.

frenky · « **Reply #1897 on:** July 04, 2015, 07:43:39 am »

What is interesting is that images of pixels are different from two separate sources.
Could it be that SeeKThermal and SeekThemal XR have different sensors?

eneuro · « **Reply #1898 on:** July 04, 2015, 09:22:00 am »

Quote from: frenky on July 04, 2015, 07:36:07 am

2. Pixels are "destoyed" in software not in hardware (possibly due to Flir patents).

Maybe, we didn't see all Seek pixels, but two or more dead pixels close each other side by side isn't good news.

Quote from: frenky on July 04, 2015, 07:36:07 am

More Seek images from: https://twitter.com/BenKrasnow/media

Do not believe in everything posted in internet, since everybody can post now-remember Seek competes with Flir and cyber wars are part of it. How could you verify that those images shows oryginal Seek sensor, especially when they differ? You have no chance, unless you take this chip and do it yourself with friend at university lab

eneuro · « **Reply #1899 on:** July 04, 2015, 09:30:36 am »

Quote from: Trax on July 04, 2015, 07:27:51 am

Could you make a few images?

This is ongoing project and I'll create thread in general technical stuff soon.
This will be cheap pick & place & reflow machine for small SMD boards.
I hope I'll be able solder prototype PCBs in automated way at home in nitrogene atmosphere to avoid any oxidation


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