Is BASF claim that Ultrafuse PLA PRO1 filament is stronger then printed ABS true

[dragon5]

I was just about to order BASF Ultrafuse PLA PRO1  https://forward-am.com/material-portfolio/ultrafuse-filaments-for-fused-filaments-fabrication-fff/engineering-filaments/ultrafuse-pla-pro1/ when I noticed BASF has another newer material listed (last) on their engineering line website called Ultrafuse PLA Tough https://forward-am.com/material-portfolio/ultrafuse-filaments-for-fused-filaments-fabrication-fff/engineering-filaments/ultrafuse-pla-tough/.

They claim both are stronger then printed ABS and have been more detailed for the "Tough" here are some quotes:

* impressive impact strength – 720% higher than standard PLA
* 133% stronger than printed ABS

This all sounds very good. I just wonder if there is a catch. The price seems quite OK too.

I wonder how will this PLA compare to regular PETG.

The "Tough" version has a datasheet from 2023 and the PRO1 from 2020 with less content.

PRO1 comes in Black,White,Gray while Tough is only Natural and Black (and that is fixed in the datasheet).

Also there is no "buy material" button and internet search returns very little mostly small distributors which often have changed from PRO1 to Tough by mistake.

[aeberbach]

There are a few youtube videos I see in a quick search. I'm not going to watch them for you but maybe someone has tested? Some seem to be from individuals not resellers.

[thm_w]

From CNC kitchens impact testing: Regular PLA 5, PETG ~9, ASA ~18, polymax PLA+ ~19
BASF claims 33 and 10 depending on the orientation on the first link. That may or may not be in an annealed state.

You might want to specify what your use case is. TPU can be incredibly tough, but may be too flexible.

https://www.cnckitchen.com/blog/comparing-pla-petg-amp-asa-feat-prusament
https://www.instructables.com/Comparing-Impact-Resistance-of-21-Filaments-for-3D/

[the Chris]

I used PRO1 on an Ultimate S3 during my time at university. It is stiffer than normal PLA and very easy to print because of low warping and high layer adhesion. The drawbacks in comparison to ABS:

- no smoothing with Acetone
- a lot less heat resistant

Horses for courses.

About two or three years ago I was told by a Ultimaker sales guy that they were going to change the supplier of their Tough PLA to BASF. At that time I wondered how they would do it because their Though PLA was even stronger than PRO1 but a bit less nice to print, so the switch would have changed some material properties considerably. I guess their own Tough PLA answers this question finally.