Are ESD mats bad for health ?

[l3gi0n]

I recently purchased an ESD mat from amazon.ca :

The mat has a certain smell. I have the mat on my desktop in my bedroom, is it toxic ? Any health hazards ?

Many Thanks

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[m3vuv]

why dont you attach some of the smell to the message so we can use our crystal balls to analyse it.!

[Benta]

Just don't eat it, then you're OK.
Soldering in your bedroom? That's probably much worse.

[twospoons]

Ignoring the facetious replies ..

Its made of nitrile butadiene rubber - NBR - (from the description in the link you posted) , and will usually contain some excess of acrylonitrile for plasticity. The exposure limit for acrylonitrile is 2ppm (8 hours), and its odor is detectable at 1.6ppm, so if you can smell it you should probably not be spending long periods of time around it.  Acrylonitrile is described as smelling like onions or garlic.  If the smell is more like gasoline then it could be the butadiene component - which has similar detection and exposure limits.
 I'd leave it outside until most of the smell is gone, or at least put it away when you are not using it. If you can only smell it with your face right up against it you should be OK.

BTW this only took about 10 minutes of web searching to find out what NBR is -> what its made of -> what the smell is likely to be -> odor detection limits -> recommended exposure limits.

[Jwillis]

Everything is bad for your health . You know that new car smell that many people love has anywhere between 100 to 1000 times the acceptable health limits of 2 well known  carcinogens .  Benzene and Formaldehyde . Most consumer plastics contain Benzene and Formaldehyde and release it for years . So the question is do you want to lock yourself in a bubble or just except that there are hazards all around you and not worry about it. Generations lived with far more toxic and hazardous environments then now and look how many survived .   

[golden_labels]

Jwillis: please do not ridicule health concerns. While the inquiry had a funny form and I’m not surprised by the response from m3vuv, the question is reasonable. Even if more experienced people may determine a thing is not dangerous, most beginners have no way to tell that. Better to ask than test it on oneself.

And if you do know it’s safe, use arguments that don’t make you yourself look absurd. twospoons provided a good answer. Claiming, that it’s fine because something else exceeds limits or because in the past people were doing risky things, is a poor way of reasoning.

[tkamiya]

Unless you are using them commercially, 8 hours a day and 5 days a week, and all year long, I wouldn't be concerned.  In fact, I have two Amazon purchased ESD matts myself.  If you want to be absolutely safe or have a reason to be concerned to a certain level, I'm going to suggest buying one from DigiKey or other professional suppliers.  Many Amazon items are made by unspecified manufacturers and thus not with specific materials.  What you buy today maybe different from what get a month from now.

[Zero999]

I can't stand that new car smell. Yes there are other things which are toxic, such as wood smoke, which also contains toxic chemicals such as carbon monoxide, benzine, acrolein and butadiene.

I think the biggest problem is the original poster has the ESD mat in their bedroom, which presumably isn't the most well ventilated of areas. It's probably a good idea to store it, when not in use, preferably in a well-ventilated area, away from anyone, if possible.

[l3gi0n]

I just moved my soldering station to the basement.

I have had this mat on my desk in my bedroom where I sleep for a few weeks...hopefully I will be ok ? Will there be any health problems ?

Many Thanks

[Zero999]

I just moved my soldering station to the basement.

I have had this mat on my desk in my bedroom where I sleep for a few weeks...hopefully I will be ok ? Will there be any health problems ?

Many Thanks

No one can know, without knowing the concentration of the nasty chemicals you've been exposed to.

You'll probably be fine. I believe these sorts of nasty chemicals just increase the chances of you developing certain diseases, rather than it being a certainty.

[DrG]

I just moved my soldering station to the basement.

I have had this mat on my desk in my bedroom where I sleep for a few weeks...hopefully I will be ok ? Will there be any health problems ?

Many Thanks

Seems like you have received a bit of ridicule for your question(s) asking complete strangers who are EEs or EE hobbyists or enthusiasts and the like, whether you will be ok or experience health problems.

I can tell you that you absolutely will NOT be ok and that you definitely WILL have health problems - I just can't give you any idea when or why or whether your fate will, in any way, be related to the stank mat that you (used to) sleep with.

The mat smells. Others in the 1-star comments mentioned that the mat smells. What you are smelling are molecules from the mat. If you are worried that they can be harmful, throw the mat out and get one that does not smell.

Failing that, you can write people whose job it is to talk to you about things like product safety (e.g., https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/air-quality/indoor-air-contaminants/volatile-organic-compounds.html).

Lest you or others think that I am also ridiculing you, I am not [although I was going to expound on my own off-gassing and the effects it was claimed to have on others, e.g., nausea, eye burning and so on], it's just that you are not showing the respect for complexity that the issue demands. In other words...it is not an unreasonable question, but you should not be looking for simple answers to make yourself feel better.

It has been noted that it was not a good idea to keep the stank mat in your bedroom where you would be breathing the stank for long periods of time - I think that is good advice. I will go further and advise that, if you are still worried, get rid of the mat and get one that does not stink, has been manufactured with a bunch of safety regulations in mind and does not cause you to worry.

[Zero999]

I can tell you that you absolutely will NOT be ok and that you definitely WILL have health problems - I just can't give you any idea when or why or whether your fate will, in any way, be related to the stank mat that you (used to) sleep with.

The mat smells. Others in the 1-star comments mentioned that the mat smells. What you are smelling are molecules from the mat. If you are worried that they can be harmful, throw the mat out and get one that does not smell.

Yes of course, we're all going to fall ill at some stage. Most of the time you'll recover, but eventually you won't and will end up dead. That's just a basic undeniable fact. The question is whether that smelly mat will contribute to illness and premature death, which no one here can tell you.

I dispute that getting a non-smelly mat will help. There are plenty of volatile compounds which don't smell much, yet are dangerous.

Even if the concentrations of gasses released by the mat are too low to cause any real health problems, the anxiety caused can have a real impact on one's mental health.

[DrG]

I can tell you that you absolutely will NOT be ok and that you definitely WILL have health problems - I just can't give you any idea when or why or whether your fate will, in any way, be related to the stank mat that you (used to) sleep with.

The mat smells. Others in the 1-star comments mentioned that the mat smells. What you are smelling are molecules from the mat. If you are worried that they can be harmful, throw the mat out and get one that does not smell.

Yes of course, we're all going to fall ill at some stage. Most of the time you'll recover, but eventually you won't and will end up dead. That's just a basic undeniable fact. The question is whether that smelly mat will contribute to illness and premature death, which no one here can tell you.

I dispute that getting a non-smelly mat will help. There are plenty of volatile compounds which don't smell much, yet are dangerous.

Even if the concentrations of gasses released by the mat are too low to cause any real health problems, the anxiety caused can have a real impact on one's mental health.

which no one here can tell you

Yes and that is my point. Respect complexity.

I dispute that getting a non-smelly mat will help. There are plenty of volatile compounds which don't smell much, yet are dangerous.

Unnecessary to dispute that, I do not disagree. Which mat should he buy? No answer?, can't say?, too complicated? - ok. You are saying that a non-stinky mat can be toxic, but what you are not saying is - buy this mat, it is not toxic. Please do, if you know - while I have no stinky mat on my bench, I may buy a mat of some kind at some point and would welcome the suggestion - like a nice silicone mat - something similar to "food safe".

My suggestion is aimed much more closely at the "worry" and, of course, asking questions to people who can't possibly say with certainty, but may help you reduce the worry. You want to reduce the worry about your stank mat - no problem - throw it out, but make sure you don't get one that doesn't stink and is quite toxic and will cause you harm as well as worry - better?

...and btw could you help with the toxicity of my flatulence? I mean, I'm not worried about it at all, but it seems to cause some others a great deal of "worry" and I would hate to think that I will be thrown out.

[Zero999]

...and btw could you help with the toxicity of my flatulence? I mean, I'm not worried about it at all, but it seems to cause some others a great deal of "worry" and I would hate to think that I will be thrown out.

Well you could stick a carbon filter up your bum, or better, just ask those around you to wear masks with a carbon filter, if it bother them that much, but it might offend those who vote for the political party, which doesn't like masks, whichever one that is: I forget.

[HB9EVI]

It should be well known, that we're exposed to wast collection of chemicals in everyday's life.

every single chemical by itself might pose minimal to no health hazard at all, but more chemicals together lead to a kind of 'cocktail effect' with possible health hazards which are often still unknown.
So it's absolutely legit wondering and worrying about possible impacts on health and environment then getting in touch with such strong smelly goods.

[DrG]

...and btw could you help with the toxicity of my flatulence? I mean, I'm not worried about it at all, but it seems to cause some others a great deal of "worry" and I would hate to think that I will be thrown out.

Well you could stick a carbon filter up your bum, or better, just ask those around you to wear masks with a carbon filter, if it bother them that much, but it might offend those who vote for the political party, which doesn't like masks, whichever one that is: I forget.

You mean something like these https://www.amazon.com/Subtle-Butt-Reusable-Neutralizers-Activated/dp/B00Q3NOEPK I expect to see some in my xmas stocking along with https://www.amazon.com/Beano-Dietary-Supplement-Gas-Causing-Tablets/dp/B01F9DT5GM/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=beeno&qid=1637078069&sr=8-5&th=1 and, of course, https://www.poopourri.com/collections/toilet-sprays

Further, to respect the complexity, I maintain that mine are like snowflakes - no two are alike.

But, to respect the thread topic, this mat looks pretty good..to me https://www.amazon.com/Soldering-Resistant-Electronic-Insulation-Station15-9/dp/B075M7PQZX?th=1

edit: I like seeing this in the advert 【Non-toxic Odorless and Non-Slip】Silicone material for soldering mat is 100% food grade which meet USA FDA standard, non-toxic and odorless.

[tkamiya]

We are surrounded by carpet, paint, wall board, various types of plastic and composite materials, air containing vehicle exhaust, etc, etc, etc.  Relative to that, I'd think effects from ESD mats are negligible.  Only way to be sure is to purchase one, send it to lab, and have it analyzed.  Yes, it'll be quite costly, but anything else is just a conjecture.  Again, Amazon sellers will often switch products.  Each purchase will have to go through the process.

[tggzzz]

I just moved my soldering station to the basement.

I have had this mat on my desk in my bedroom where I sleep for a few weeks...hopefully I will be ok ? Will there be any health problems ?

One health problem seems imminent: anxiety disorder.

[tkamiya]

What else is in your basement?  Gas based water heater and furness?  I'd be more concerned about carbon monoxide.  Please get yourself a CO monitor. 

[TimFox]

Drafty basements can be good:  many US houses suffer from poor ventilation due to highly efficient insulation and construction.

[Simon]

why dont you attach some of the smell to the message so we can use our crystal balls to analyse it.!

What he really wants you to do is buy one from amazon using his referral link so that you can find out for yourself 

[ogden]

What he really wants you to do is buy one from amazon using his referral link so that you can find out for yourself 

Sure! Best advertising ever is stating that your product smells badly and could be toxic.
[edit] If I get banned again in result - I will never post here again.

[Zero999]

why dont you attach some of the smell to the message so we can use our crystal balls to analyse it.!

What he really wants you to do is buy one from amazon using his referral link so that you can find out for yourself 

I don't think he was spamming. He posts links in his other posts, but they're to completely different products, from other sellers. I think you were a little quick to ban, in this case.

[DC1MC]

What he really wants you to do is buy one from amazon using his referral link so that you can find out for yourself 

Sure! Best advertising ever is stating that your product smells badly and could be toxic.
[edit] If I get banned again in result - I will never post here again.

Maybe Amazon started again the pay per click program, the idea of professional master-race trolls is not to make blatant advertisement ("Hello, I've used this hair conditioner and it made my dirk bigger..." but "concern trolling" also gets clicks, you go in a specialty forum, say for example on motorcycles and say:

"Hey I bought this popular helmet, and it seems too large, also paint peels off easily..."
Concerned people click the link to see what helmet is, to avoid or to verify if they have a similar one, and ka-tching, the click$$$ keep rolling...
Same issue here "I've bought this JBC clone [affiliate link], do you think is worth the money ?!?!"

 Cheers,
 DC1MC

[Gyro]

why dont you attach some of the smell to the message so we can use our crystal balls to analyse it.!

What he really wants you to do is buy one from amazon using his referral link so that you can find out for yourself 

... and he spams for Belgian ebay sellers too does he? 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/whats-the-difference-between-these-desoldering-gun-models/msg3734776/#msg3734776

It looks like the self professed newbie just buys stuff from Amazon, ebay (via Canada), Ali or wherever.