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defective supercap?
« on: April 18, 2024, 01:01:51 am »
err... I need help. I bought these 10F 3V supercaps made by Cornell Dubilier off Mouser. on my first time testing one, my circuit shorted out. I checked the circuit, but nothing was wrong. the circuit is supplying 2.3v, at 1.5a max. and the supercap polarity was correct. so I checked that supercap with my meter on a 2v conductivity test. it gave me the "short circuit" signal. and then, I ran it through resistance mode, and it shows the resistance between the supercap's + and - is 10Ω. yep. 10Ω. so I thought maybe that specific capacitor was faulty. I grabbed another supercap and conductivity then resistance. same thing. but I think, since these are all-new and haven't been used before, maybe it's just a "sleepy dielectric" :=\. what do you think? if it is a "sleepy dielectric", how can I "wake up" the dielectric without frying my MOSFET or voltage reg? plz be gentle :-\
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Offline Kim Christensen

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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2024, 01:32:03 am »
Your ohmmeter is going to take a very LONG time to charge up a 10F super capacitor... During that time, its going to read as a very low resistance if it started out fully discharged.
Charge it via a resistor to limit the current. Or use a power supply with current limiting that can handle a continuous short.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2024, 01:33:43 am by Kim Christensen »
 
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2024, 01:44:36 am »
You can use a 3V incandescent bulb to limit the current when charging and provide an indication of the charging progress.
 

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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2024, 01:45:19 am »
So do you expect it charging in milliseconds? If circuit has no charging current limit, supercapacitor will basically cause a short circuit.
 

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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2024, 01:59:09 am »
that "circuit" wasn't my ohmeter
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2024, 02:01:37 am »
what do you mean "has no current limit"
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2024, 10:58:05 am »
what do you mean "has no current limit"
It means you connect it directly to constant voltage power supply. If it's a switch mode supply, most likely it will just go into protection, try restarting, go into protection again.
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2024, 11:28:53 am »
charging a supercap can take a very long time,  in some case it will appear as a dead short

i usually use them in clock related stuff  or clock backed up  mcu  etc ...   i use an resistor  to drop the inrush it create,  sure it create a time constant, a simple diode and a resistor on the clock ic  ....

for an 1.5 farad at 5v   it take at least 15 mins to charge it,  and keep 1 week of clock

10 farad is a lot ... i mean a lot  loll



for sure    you don't use that to filter out an psu  ??
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2024, 02:31:47 pm »
BTW, here is the schematic of "the circuit" that shorted out because of the sleepy Supercap:
I am just a starter at electronics, so please tell me if this circuit is bad gently

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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2024, 03:19:18 pm »
use a power supply with current limiting that can handle a continuous short.

okay, so something like This?

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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2024, 06:24:05 pm »
Both circuits are totally nonsensical. No surprise it doesn't work.
 

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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2024, 06:27:22 pm »
Just FYI, the OP is a 16 year old.
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2024, 07:32:42 pm »
BTW, here is the schematic of "the circuit" that shorted out because of the sleepy Supercap:
I am just a starter at electronics, so please tell me if this circuit is bad gently

What do you want the circuit to do?  The easiest way to charge your supercap is to use a voltage supply and then a series resistor to limit the current.  For a supply putting out 2.3V, a 10-ohm resistor would limit the current to 230mA maximum.  Your supercap will take a bit of time to charge.
A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2024, 02:20:49 am »
You got parts delivered to Antarctica from Mouser?? It's a pain in the ass to get them to Iceland! When first applying a voltage to any capacitor it will appear as a dead short if it is in an energy storage type circuit. You have to current limit the charge with a simple resistor.
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Re: defective supercap?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2024, 03:45:27 pm »
err... I'm not ACTUALLY in Antarctica. I just chose it for "safety reasons". I hope you can understand
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