How to drive FUTABA 18-BT-02GINK VFD

[XploD]

I have a broken Denon AVR-X1300W receiver (dead digital board) so I'm trying to reuse everything else, the first point being the integrated Futaba 18-BT-02GINK VFD display. But I'm struggling to find which driver is inside and how to control it with Arduino. I tried to sniff the data using Bus Pirate v3.5 but it's not helping me much. I've attached everything I could find:

• schematics and details from Denon service manual
• screenshots of data that I sniffed with BP

It has 18 segments and RESET, CS, CP and DATA pins for serial communication.

If you need better sniffing pictures, let me know how to do them as I'm a newbie. I recorded this using OpenBench LogicSniffer Client v0.9.7.2 with default settings (not touching anything). I can repeat the sniffing with specific details if needed.

Basically I just need to know how to drive this display using Arduino. For this I guess we first need to determine which driver is inside. And then if Arduino library or examples exist for it, that would be awesome. If not, I can do it manually as long as I know the protocol and how to control it.

So far I tried to Google all the possible VFD drivers and comparing communication examples with my sniffing results but I haven't find anything so far.

Also, if you have any other idea how to find out this info (contacting Futaba or someone), that would be a valuable info as well.

Thanks in advance!

[pcprogrammer]

It might not have a so called controller in it and you just write pixels or characters to it repeatedly.

Just do a test run with your arduino, but make sure that the voltages match. These displays need a high voltage to work and maybe VDD is also higher then what your arduino uses.

You can use your captures as a data source at first and then just toggle some data bit and look at the display what has changed.

[XploD]

VDD is 3.3V, you can see on the schematics and I guess the serial communication pins are also 3.3V. There are FL- and FL+ which are powered on by a separate output on the AC transformer and there's also an output from transformer called Vdisp, it has +37V and it goes to VDDH on the display, if I'm not mistaken, through some transistors.

Actually I think it does because there's nothing happening on the bus when there are no changes on the display. I had to frantically press the remote control to get it to capture anything. Also, as my receiver is broken, I have a floating message on the screen all the time with a long sentence indicating an error and while this screen is active, I'm unable to capture anything so I assume that there has to be some kind of controler inside which is moving the letters.

I can experiment with it but I will have to tear down the whole amplifier to get this screen working independently so ideally I wanted to know in advance because I'm currently building a new digital board for this amplifier with ESP32, ADAU1452 DSP and Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 in Kicad so I wanted to confirm everything before I finish the board, and when I have the board, I will be able to test by using everything as it is.

If I won't find an answer here, I will probably tear it down completely, and try to power-up the front board that contains the display and then experiement with Arduino. The good news is that the whole power supply for the display is on that same board (all outputs from the transformer for FL and Vdisp are going directly to the board).

[pcprogrammer]

Maybe this video Dave made is of help.

The filament is fed with a low AC voltage to heat the tube. It works similar like vacuum tubes.

To test with the Arduino you need either a 3.3V version with VDD being 3.3V or use level converters. No need to take the display from the system, just take out the series resistors the schematic shows and connect the Arduino there. Ground, reset, chip enable, clock and data.

Whip up a playback sketch to output the data you captured and see what it does.

[Vladi]

Hey,
I actually have the same idea but for AVR-X4100 (17-BT-40GINK).
Which image of "sniffing" is the startup? 3rd one? We need to start with the one which you start to capture before power on and while power on.
Can you export it anyhow? O'll try to install the same software and look at it. Just need to find a Windows VM:)

[XploD]

There's no startup, I'm not good at using this software so I don't know how to do the "timing". I would just start recording and then randomly press buttons on the remote until I don't get a result.

That's why I was hoping that somebody here will recognize somehow the controller inside based on all the info I provided because if we will have to go this way, it will be though.

PS. I still have everything connected so if somebody can recommend me a good software for Bus Pirate and explain how to set it up to get the the power-up sequence, I would be grateful

In the meantime I'm struggling to use the tuner from the AVR as well. There I know which IC is inside, and I've found Arduino library and tried it but it doesn't work.