Let's BUST the new Platio Solar Pavement installation in the Netherlands using thier OWN production data on launch day! LOL
Did you carefully translate the Dutch video? I guess not because in there the man clearly states to put solar panels on roofs first. But once the roofs are full, you need ways to collect more solar energy and that is exactly what this setup is about: have a plan ready at the moment the roofs are full. And that plan will be necessary quickly in the NL because the number of roofs that have solar panels increases rapidly. Last but not least, this is a test installation with a product that isn't mass manufactured (yet) so any cost comparision is just noise.
Did you carefully translate the Dutch video? I guess not because in there the man clearly states to put solar panels on roofs first. But once the roofs are full, you need ways to collect more solar energy and that is exactly what this setup is about: have a plan ready at the moment the roofs are full. And that plan will be necessary quickly in the NL because the number of roofs that have solar panels increases rapidly. Last but not least, this is a test installation with a product that isn't mass manufactured (yet) so any cost comparision is just noise.
So build more roofs to put them on, such as covered patios, carports, garden sheds, covered walkways, etc Then put them on the tops of walls and fences, then put them on the sides of buildings, on the sides of fences, on the curbs, on top of mailboxes, on to of every other structure there is. Literally every single other option is better than one which involves ground surfaces that are used for other purposes and is demonstrably superior. The roofs are nowhere near full, not even close. it's absolutely laughable to pretend that running out of elevated surfaces is an issue. I've just had a poke around the Netherlands on Google maps and I see thousands and thousands and thousands of bare roofs all over the country. I only managed to spot a few that already had solar installed. You are at LEAST 50 years from having to worry about running out of roofs, probably much more than that, and I didn't even start to look at places where elevated panels could be installed to provide shade.
Have they not considered nuclear generated electricity?
If 20% of roofs are covered, it might be what 15 years? before the remaining are full. At some point designing/thinking too far forward doesn't have much value.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_Netherlands
Might be better to spend that research money on wind power or improving existing roof panel efficiency instead.
They are planning to build two more, in addition to the existing one: https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/netherlands.aspx
But thats 12 years away.
I don't even understand why people are bothering to even think about the most impractical solar solution of all that have been seriously looked at, one that has been tried quite a few times now and failed spectacularly every time.
Did you carefully translate the Dutch video? I guess not because in there the man clearly states to put solar panels on roofs first. But once the roofs are full, you need ways to collect more solar energy and that is exactly what this setup is about: have a plan ready at the moment the roofs are full. And that plan will be necessary quickly in the NL because the number of roofs that have solar panels increases rapidly. Last but not least, this is a test installation with a product that isn't mass manufactured (yet) so any cost comparision is just noise.
So build more roofs to put them on, such as covered patios, carports, garden sheds, covered walkways, etc Then put them on the tops of walls and fences, then put them on the sides of buildings, on the sides of fences, on the curbs, on top of mailboxes, on to of every other structure there is. Literally every single other option is better than one which involves ground surfaces that are used for other purposes and is demonstrably superior. The roofs are nowhere near full, not even close. it's absolutely laughable to pretend that running out of elevated surfaces is an issue. I've just had a poke around the Netherlands on Google maps and I see thousands and thousands and thousands of bare roofs all over the country. I only managed to spot a few that already had solar installed. You are at LEAST 50 years from having to worry about running out of roofs, probably much more than that, and I didn't even start to look at places where elevated panels could be installed to provide shade.Nope. About 15% to 20% of suitable roofs is already covered in the NL. The energy crisis has given the amount of solar installation a huge boost. Google maps is way behind with updating the images. Just in the street I live in there is a van from a solar installer about every week. Google's images for my my area are about 10 years old.
Last but not least, this is a test installation with a product that isn't mass manufactured (yet) so any cost comparision is just noise.
The disheartening thing these days is it seems the entire world or at least the first world, has been pervaded by these leaders that have grabbed onto the Peter Principal with both hands and said, "Yes, that is for me".
Do you blame the company/people that spun the tale or solar roadways, airways, railways, seaways, footpathways, spaceways? Or windfarms or green hydrogen or lets run an electrical extension cord from Australia to Singapore or whatever fantasy feel good enterprise they think they can use an an engine to suck off that sweet free taxpayer money.
Well I don't in that we should be smart enough to see through these grifters and villians that cloak themselves in good deeds. There are con artists everywhere all looking to take your wealth and at the moment they can see the weakness as the educated* champagne socialist wanker typical inner city/leafy suburb types with government protected careers and influence using that power and influence to get government to get lots of money taken off the middle and lower classes that do real work and give it to these grifters so the almond latte sipping champagne socialists can all touch each over over about much they are saving the world and stopping climate change as they board the jet for the annual overseas luxury holiday.
After all, it was SFA of their money getting pissed up against the wall, and they can afford it.
Ok I will go back to the padded room now.
*educated in some bullshit social arena that relies on language skills like law, arts, mental health etc rather than mathematics, engineering or physical sciences.
The huge solar array in Oz with the "power cord" to Singapore was at least something that could have been done, if the very long underwater cable route didn't turn out to be impractical.
Last but not least, this is a test installation with a product that isn't mass manufactured (yet) so any cost comparision is just noise.
Bullshit. Anyone with any manufacturing and install experience knows that small tough solar panels like this will ALWAYS be an order of magnitude worse in bang-per-buck thna existing panel solutions. Not even taking into account longevity.
These will never be needed or desired on a mass scale, ever.
Good luck trying to convince anyone on the EEVblog forum of all places that solar roadways/pathways etc are a viable idea.
Nope. About 15% to 20% of suitable roofs is already covered in the NL. The energy crisis has given the amount of solar installation a huge boost. Google maps is way behind with updating the images. Just in the street I live in there is a van from a solar installer about every week. Google's images for my my area are about 10 years old.
This is a niche, but unlike the solar roadways, it somehow kinda makes sense to me. Yes, it's expensive at 50 EUR per panel. And it's not for everyone. But I can see this installed on a roof terrace. Or a pier.
The one in Gronningen is a bad installation, it has shading by the surroundings. Let's say you can improve it 1.5x by placing it in an open area. Let's say they also improve the production costs 1.5x, it's not impossible with better injection moulds, metal stamps and other large scale techniques. Subtract the price of some high quality floor tiles (60 EUR/m2 easily). Then it's somewhere at 10-15 year ROI, completely different picture.
The huge solar array in Oz with the "power cord" to Singapore was at least something that could have been done, if the very long underwater cable route didn't turn out to be impractical.
Sure about that?
I ran the ballpark numbers: