EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Howardlong]

That will actually come out delicious. It's not too far off how I make Mojitos. (Not too keen on White Rum, prefer neutral spirits like Vodka).

Here is the result since the rebrand and re-tooling, and upgrading to quality lab gear, I present to you the 800% Lemoniser.

[LabSpokane]

That will actually come out delicious. It's not too far off how I make Mojitos. (Not too keen on White Rum, prefer neutral spirits like Vodka).

Here is the result since the rebrand and re-tooling, and upgrading to quality lab gear, I present to you the 800% Lemoniser.

I respectfully request that you submit your testing jig to Underwriters Laboratories for independent verification.

[Smokey]

That will actually come out delicious. It's not too far off how I make Mojitos. (Not too keen on White Rum, prefer neutral spirits like Vodka).

Here is the result since the rebrand and re-tooling, and upgrading to quality lab gear, I present to you the 800% Lemoniser.

I respectfully request that you submit your testing jig to Underwriters Laboratories for independent verification.

Stick that up a monkey's ass!

[Galenbo]

I would recommend them the name of SuperBatt,

I suggest Turbo-Bat.

Because a Turbo only works when the engine is OK, and when the tank is nearly empty, it helps to empty it faster.
And for normal useage of the car, totally not needed :-)

[EEVblog]

Any bets on an update in July?

[Kean]

Any bets on an update in July?

I prefer my chances on tonights Lotto draw 

[Halcyon]

Any bets on an update in July?

I wonder if Roohparvar's tax year is the same as ours? What's the bet he is busy writing off his "investment losses" as we speak...

[mikerj]

Any bets on an update in July?

I reckon we'll get one soon.  Probably a whole lot sooner that the last soon was.

[Brumby]

I do like an optimist - but preferably not one with both feet firmly planted in mid air.

[ez24]

Any bets on an update in July?

You are starting to talk like Mr. R   Which July ?  Mr. R does not like to say what year.

I will bet yes by July 2032  (so which will get more news, Mr. R or the asteroid ? )

[Halcyon]

It seems as though Batteriser are no longer providing "updates" to the majority of their backers unless they join the mailing list? Perhaps to avoid public scrutiny?

They also appear to have come up with a new meaning of the word "soon".

[meeder]

So is anyone here subscribed to the mailing list? They banned me from their Facebook page so I can't contact them.

[EEVblog]

It seems as though Batteriser are no longer providing "updates" to the majority of their backers unless they join the mailing list? Perhaps to avoid public scrutiny?

Is anyone getting those email updates?
BTW, the Facebook page is not Batteroo, it is not official communications from them. They basically admit that in the screen capture: "We at the Facebook page"

[Halcyon]

It seems as though Batteriser are no longer providing "updates" to the majority of their backers unless they join the mailing list? Perhaps to avoid public scrutiny?

Is anyone getting those email updates?
BTW, the Facebook page is not Batteroo, it is not official communications from them.

What?! Really? Could have fooled me. They seem to be speaking on behalf of Batteroo a hell of a lot.

[meeder]

I think Batteroo uses it as an excuse. When something is posted that backfires they can simply claim that it wasn't their fault.

[Brumby]

If they aren't the real Batteroo, they should not be presenting themselves as such.  Furthermore, it is against Facebook policy.

I would recommend they be reported for impersonation.  Facebook will then require them to prove their identity.  The account should only be allowed to continue if they can do so - which means they will then NOT be able to claim they're not 'official'.

[EEVblog]

I think Batteroo uses it as an excuse. When something is posted that backfires they can simply claim that it wasn't their fault.

Exactly, just like the Youtube page that blew up in their face big time.

[EEVblog]

I would recommend they be reported for impersonation.  Facebook will then require them to prove their identity.  The account should only be allowed to continue if they can do so - which means they will then NOT be able to claim they're not 'official'.

They are no doubt paid by Batteroo to run the page. In that respect it's "official". But it would not be the first time that Batteroo have not claimed responsibility for something that was posted seaming on their behalf.

[rrinker]

"Much much sooner than the 'soon' of the past" I see this spokesperson, official or not, has a great career ahead in politics. Or upper management.

What's amazing is that this was back on video 751, and Dave has now passed 900 videos. And still no product, working or otherwise. Just more redefining of words delaying the inevitable, or else trying to bide their time until someone actually does invent unobtanium.

[Fungus]

"Much much sooner than the 'soon' of the past" I see this spokesperson, official or not, has a great career ahead in politics. Or upper management.

What's amazing is that this was back on video 751, and Dave has now passed 900 videos. And still no product, working or otherwise. Just more redefining of words delaying the inevitable, or else trying to bide their time until someone actually does invent unobtanium.

Six months ago they used to post actual responses to Dave's videos, on Youtube! They were all bullshit, but they were responses.

The level of visible activity from BatterBros has dropped significantly since then. Two or three orders of magnitude less.

[madires]

Six months ago they used to post actual responses to Dave's videos, on Youtube! They were all bullshit, but they were responses.

The level of visible activity from BatterBros has dropped significantly since then. Two or three orders of magnitude less.

I think we have to provide them with some new exuses  My guess is, that after the initial crowdfunding and support from SK Telecom nobody else failed for their scammerizer and now they're trying to get away as silently as possible. Hopefully they are on the radar screen of some US state attorney general who want's to teach the crowdfunding fraudsters a lesson. Would really help to improve the quality of crowdfunding projects. There's simply too much BS and the crowdfunding platforms don't care.

[StuUK]

 Hopefully they are on the radar screen of some US state attorney general who want's to teach the crowdfunding fraudsters a lesson. Would really help to improve the quality of crowdfunding projects. There's simply too much BS and the crowdfunding platforms don't care.

I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry and on what legal basis? The whole point with this crowdfunding is that you are taking a gamble on the successful outcome of investment not buying a finished product... you pay your money and take your chances, its down to you as an individual to do the research and determine if it's worthwhile paying out money.

[EEVblog]

I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry and on what legal basis? The whole point with this crowdfunding is that you are taking a gamble on the successful outcome of investment not buying a finished product... you pay your money and take your chances, its down to you as an individual to do the research and determine if it's worthwhile paying out money.

And the problem is it's not illegal to be clueless, incompetent, or delusional enough to believe things that aren't possible. As long as you don't deliberately lie or do something fraudulent, then you can be as wrong as can be, or fail to deliver anything, and no one can touch you.
In the case of Batteroo, there is really no legal onus on them to listen to anyone or the evidence we put forward that their claims won't work. They can happily plod along forever believing their widget will work.

[madires]

I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry and on what legal basis? The whole point with this crowdfunding is that you are taking a gamble on the successful outcome of investment not buying a finished product... you pay your money and take your chances, its down to you as an individual to do the research and determine if it's worthwhile paying out money.

Basically I agree, but most people don't understand that and the crowdfunding flatforms suggest it's more like a online shop. They offer you packages ("you'll get the product, an USB cable and a mug"). If the amount of packages is limited and all are gone, the package is marked as "sold out". WTF? And another point is that it's not as simple as bet, but also not regulated like stocks. Still it's a contract, and not in a grey area. A lot of people pay money to someone trying to desgin and produce a product with some specified features. If that someone lies to the "customers" he's fully responsible. And if the promises and features aren't feasable it might be a fraud. Of course nobody would hire a lawyer about a few lost bucks and sue the crowdfunder. That's why there are so many bad projects and crowdfunders simply walking away.

[StuUK]

I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry and on what legal basis? The whole point with this crowdfunding is that you are taking a gamble on the successful outcome of investment not buying a finished product... you pay your money and take your chances, its down to you as an individual to do the research and determine if it's worthwhile paying out money.

Basically I agree, but most people don't understand that and the crowdfunding flatforms suggest it's more like a online shop. They offer you packages ("you'll get the product, an USB cable and a mug"). If the amount of packages is limited and all are gone, the package is marked as "sold out". WTF? And another point is that it's not as simple as bet, but also not regulated like stocks. Still it's a contract, and not in a grey area. A lot of people pay money to someone trying to desgin and produce a product with some specified features. If that someone lies to the "customers" he's fully responsible. And if the promises and features aren't feasable it might be a fraud. Of course nobody would hire a lawyer about a few lost bucks and sue the crowdfunder. That's why there are so many bad projects and crowdfunders simply walking away.

Investor (or should I say contributor) beware!

If fact people should read the terms and conditions of such sites before parting with their money.

quote from Indeigogo terms and conditions:-

Definitions
In these Terms, we refer to those raising funds as "Campaign Owners" and to their fundraising campaigns as "Campaigns." We refer to those contributing funds as "Contributors" and to the funds they contribute as "Contributions." Campaign Owners, Contributors and other visitors to the Services are referred to collectively as "Users."