As I see it, the OP had these references listed on ebay so if they didn't live up to expectations or meet specifications then purchasers had an avenue for reimbursement and negative feedback.
Regardless of other peoples views or opinions on the products, the OP was in fact a contributor to the forum which entitles them to post items in this B/S/W section, and if the items weren't fit for purpose then they wouldn't last here very long, that's for damn sure.
I don't know the reason for the ban and perhaps a timeout may have been sufficient but unfortunately the OP nominated to instigate what could be deemed a personal attack against another member by the (offensive?) thread title and that according to the rules won't be tolerated.
Moderator Note: We seem to get many people sign up and only post stuff for sale. Often not even electronics related (and no PC hardware is not electronics related). This section is for the occasional sale of your personal stuff. If you have good reason to beleive that you need some leeway on this please contact us before posting a shower of posts as otherwise your posts will be removed and you will be banned without warning.
I really don't think so. The sort of people on here know how to make these simple things if they need one, but if they're that way inclined they will buy a cheaper and better looking one from AliBayzon. I mean, he showed that it's just some cheap parts on a perf board - anyone could do it.
What the people on here would be interested in is showing how superior they are by finding the tiniest fault, and loudly noting that you couldn't set a 20-digit meter from one so it must be shit. It's that community attitude that led to his attitude.
He seemed impervious to taking advice, but that's not an indictable offence. Often, one will get contradictory advice so if you follow one you'll be pissing off the supplier of the other, but why should he take any at all? In the end he has considered it all and decided that the way he will go is the way to go, and that should perfectly OK. It would be OK, except to those that think their advice is gold plated and simply must be followed.
In that thread it might be kind of OK to try and make him look a fool by asking about stuff that only applies to high-end super-expensive traceability (although using that as as a weapon surely sucks), but here in buy & sell it's just designed to stiff his sale. If you're actually interested in buying his kit then that sort of question is sensible, but the only ones asking here were those with a grudge intent on screwing any potential sale. I don't think that's on - if someone is happy to buy shit, it should be between them and the vendor.
Well, in fact this thread had been inactive for some days... so nobody compelled him to take any advice, and everyone put up with his bad manners ...and he was free to continue selling his things on eBay.
It should be realized that it was him who suddenly "closed" the thread, deleting his posts and stating he would open another thread -where it would have been free from any critics?
Hell, no. These eBay listings were misleading and we all have a right to criticize that. If he wanted propaganda without criticism, it would have been better for him to pay for some ads somewhere.
I think, should that listing read something like:
"LT1236-10 5ppm 10V Reference."
"Final Trim to 10.0000 VDC @ 78F, 50% Humidity"
"Designed to affordably verify the function of Digital Multimeters up to 4.5 digits".
... there would have been much less critics
But at the end of the day, by making it clear that he does not accept criticism or else (temper tantrum), he was the one who made the ban inevitable
As I see it, the OP had these references listed on ebay so if they didn't live up to expectations or meet specifications then purchasers had an avenue for reimbursement and negative feedback.Anyone who knows what their doing won't buy this to begin with. Those who don't, don't know better and don't have a clue or capability to verify performance.
Even the meters tggzzz mentions in a post I can't seem to find anymore, might not be calibrated properly to do a real verification.
If he had come here asking humbly “guys, I am a beginner who would like to build and sell these devices on Ebay, what do you think? How can I improve these while keeping a low cost?” He would likely have received plenty of useful advice. But his stubbornness to defend the indefensible, that is why he aggravated everyone.
My expectations were set by the user name. I was not disappointed.
Sad to see a nearly 10 year member drive a new member to such an emotional outburst leading to a ban.
It seems your approach needs an adjustment. You provided your input at which point the OP made it clear they didn't want you to engage further, yet you essentially relentlessly continued. You seem more like a bully than a contributor.
Sad to see a nearly 10 year member drive a new member to such an emotional outburst leading to a ban.
It seems your approach needs an adjustment. You provided your input at which point the OP made it clear they didn't want you to engage further, yet you essentially relentlessly continued. You seem more like a bully than a contributor.
I don't know which 10 year member you are attempting to blame this one but you can't blame this on just one person (other than perhaps the OP). A lot of people (pretty much every reply) were skeptical of the OP's claims and asked questions and pointed out the OP's misleading statements.
If the OP didn't want to engage further, then all he had to do was to ignore the thread.
a nearly 10 year member
Sad to see a nearly 10 year member drive a new member to such an emotional outburst leading to a ban.
It seems your approach needs an adjustment. You provided your input at which point the OP made it clear they didn't want you to engage further, yet you essentially relentlessly continued. You seem more like a bully than a contributor.
I don't know which 10 year member you are attempting to blame this one but you can't blame this on just one person (other than perhaps the OP). A lot of people (pretty much every reply) were skeptical of the OP's claims and asked questions and pointed out the OP's misleading statements.
If the OP didn't want to engage further, then all he had to do was to ignore the thread.
For me all this is an example for the difficulties in human communication. We always think we understand the other person, but we don't. Everybody has his own sense of humor.
We have some super contributors here who have never been decent starting from their first posts and it only got worse with their mounting number of posts. Quantity doesn't mean quality.
Maybe there should be a rule that contributors with more than 10 000 posts or more than 5 posts per day should not disturb forum beginners without first looking into his/her profile and understanding a little what is going on.
By the way, the OP posted about his offers in the Buy/Sell/Wanted section. In general people not interested in the offers don't comment, at least there won't be an engineering discussion.
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Why not. It can be seen as feedback after purchase, and inform other potential buyers about the quality of the product.
As far as i understand there had been a previous discussion in the metrology section, but the "experts" did not care.
I have nothing against the OP or his products, but he absolutely overreacted and that started the downward spiral more than anything else.
"Autism is not an excuse to bully people." Louis Rossman
an island off the coast of a real continent, which island is known to be populated by many of corrupt morals, conversational hyperbole, achievemental dysfunction and an affinity for inbred and, in several cases, immoral so-called "royalty" admiration syndrome.
I have this mental image of tggzzz sitting in his week-old undies and moth-eaten robe, in the corner of his tiny, gloomy, cold-water flat, in a poverty-stricken slum section of Birmingham, pecking away at his twenty-year-old Pentium computer while desperately searching forums and threads for topics wherein he can spew out his unwelcome drivel and negativity and display his legendary (in his own mind) philosophical and technical superiority as compared to the woefully ignorant and uninformed commoners who participate in these threads looking for useful suggestions from fellow members, as he, the self-ordained master of thread imposition, reflects within himself how utterly failed as a human being he is, as he seeks out these thread-killing opportunities so as to feel somewhat compensated for his lifelong worthlessness and complete failure to achieve anything noteworthy or meaningful.
an island off the coast of a real continent, which island is known to be populated by many of corrupt morals, conversational hyperbole, achievemental dysfunction and an affinity for inbred and, in several cases, immoral so-called "royalty" admiration syndrome.
I found his insight here amusing though. Called for not so much.QuoteI have this mental image of tggzzz sitting in his week-old undies and moth-eaten robe, in the corner of his tiny, gloomy, cold-water flat, in a poverty-stricken slum section of Birmingham, pecking away at his twenty-year-old Pentium computer while desperately searching forums and threads for topics wherein he can spew out his unwelcome drivel and negativity and display his legendary (in his own mind) philosophical and technical superiority as compared to the woefully ignorant and uninformed commoners who participate in these threads looking for useful suggestions from fellow members, as he, the self-ordained master of thread imposition, reflects within himself how utterly failed as a human being he is, as he seeks out these thread-killing opportunities so as to feel somewhat compensated for his lifelong worthlessness and complete failure to achieve anything noteworthy or meaningful.
What he missed is:
Keeping him self warm with the space heaters the old vacuum tube based analog scopes are.
It looks like a lot of American people seem to forget where their roots lie.