Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?

[Rigby]

  Sometimes I can't watch videos of Americans that pronounce it the other way around, because I know they're doing it to piss people off rather than to honor some appropriate pronunciation BS they made up.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Well stupidity does not adequately explain these cases, because they addressed the pronunciation in each case in a video, agreed that they were pronouncing it wrong, and basically said "I'm going to say it that way anyway, so get used to it."  That's perfectly fine, they can choose to do that.  I can choose to find it annoying and choose to not watch their videos, too.  And, I've done so.

[chipwitch]

"L" is silent here.  Soddering, to be sure.  I think the bigger question is, "Regardless of how you pronounce it, is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"   

[chipwitch]

The word solder comes from the Middle English word soudur, via Old French solduree and soulder, from the Latin solidare, meaning "to make solid".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

There appears to be no "L" in the root source word: "soudur".  So perhaps pronouncing the silent-L is a continental affectation. 

Yet compare with this:

The word soldier entered modern English in the 14th century from the equivalent Middle English word soudeour, from Anglo-French soudeer or soudeour, meaning mercenary

A similar root source word with no "L", yet we say "soldier" and not "soddier".

So really, there is no winning 

At least British English is consistent in pronouncing both solder and soldier in a consistent fashion--not that there is all that much consistency in English pronunciation in general 

British English diverged sometime after North America was settled.  If you want to hear how the English sounded a few hundred years ago, listen to Americans.   There was a movement in England to "correct" pronunciation, and they swept through and basically invented the accent and pronunciation you hear today.  That's also why that general style of pronunciation is not ubiquitous through all of Great Britain.  The English diverged.  Everyone else just stayed as they were.

English is such a screwed up language anyway.  These inconsistencies in pronunciation are minor little details compared to the absolute train wreck the rest of the language is.

I've never heard that before, but if you go back just a couple hundred more than you suggest, none of us could understand the language.  Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote....     Languages evolve relative to proximity.  With the shrinking of the world (air travel, telephone, internet etc) languages are actually beginning to meld.

[John Coloccia]

"L" is silent here.  Soddering, to be sure.  I think the bigger question is, "Regardless of how you pronounce it, is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"   

You can meld two wires by soldering.  It's incorrect to call it welding since welding requires melting of the base metals.  Soldering dissolves the base metals and though it's essentially an alloying process, no base metal is ever melted.  It would be no more correct to drop a piece of metal into a vat of acid, wait for it to dissolve, and then say that the metal was welded to the acid.

[MatCat]

Everyone I know in person pronounces it 'sod-er', as an anecdote I am originally from the state of NJ (Not near NYC!), where most people pronounce things like 'water' as 'wore-der'.

[Rigby]

I've never heard that before, but if you go back just a couple hundred more than you suggest, none of us could understand the language.  Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote....     Languages evolve relative to proximity.  With the shrinking of the world (air travel, telephone, internet etc) languages are actually beginning to meld.

I heard someone speak some of whatever you're talking about (or what I believe it to be) and it was nearly perfectly understandable when spoken, but virtually impossible to read.  A thick Scottish accent is more different to modern US English than the English of 500-700 years ago.

You might be talking older than that, and if you are then you're 100% correct.  I remember reading Beowulf in high school and having a rough time with it even though it was translated.

[G7PSK]

I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language. 

Like Quebecois, North American English may not be the same as King's English.  Nope, sod-er-ing's the way it is in Silicon Valley....

Ummmm, silly-cone or silly-con?

That's just it Americans do speak the Kings English. King George III English, as after they got all uppity and wouldn't drink tea like civilised people and insisted on coffee that eats the end off the spoon,   their English remained static while this side of the pond ours grew, so they have a more French sound to many words  and also use many old word that have been dropped here like faucet   which is late middle English and now would only be used in the brewing and hostelry industry here.

[Richard Crowley]

I have never heard of soldering refered to as "welding". It must depend on the community.
I agree they are fundamentally different methods and not equivalent.  Perhaps communities with only a minor connection to electronics can't tell the difference.

[vk6zgo]

Dear old Frederick Forsyth had "The Jackal" weld some gun components to the underside of his car "using a large soldering iron" to hide it from border controls.

Critics were raving about "his attention to detail" at the time,but that killed his credibility for me!

[Hideki]

Chinese (mis)translations use "welding" quite often. Probably because their grasp of the english language is close to zero, so they rely on imperfect translation software that keeps on making the same mistakes over and over.

[GreyWoolfe]

Everyone I know in person pronounces it 'sod-er', as an anecdote I am originally from the state of NJ (Not near NYC!), where most people pronounce things like 'water' as 'wore-der'.

I, too, am from NJ( close to NYC).  I pronounce it sod-er and wauda .  I do say solder in my head, just not when I speak.  I bet if I keep listening to Dave, I will start pronouncing it solder and everyone I know will look at me strangely.  Oh wait, they already do.

Chinese (mis)translations use "welding" quite often. Probably because their grasp of the english language is close to zero, so they rely on imperfect translation software that keeps on making the same mistakes over and over.

That's alright, most Americans' grasp of the english language is close to zero  .  I have been out of NJ( close to NYC) for 25 years living in Florida and there is still no mistaking where I come from the moment I open my mouth.  I have always thought the english language is a bit of a bastard language as even the word phonetic is not pronounced phonetically!!   Of course, being from NJ( close to NYC), I bastard it up even more.

[Rerouter]

the english language is a bit of a bastard language as even the word phonetic is not pronounced phonetically!!

Pho - Net - Ick
Pho as in phone, Net as in internet, Ick as in Tick (tock goes the clock) ??

I pronounce soldering as
Sole-der-ring
Sole as in a shoes sole, Der like aussies say the end of water, and ring with a near silent r

[MatCat]

Everytime I hear Dave or anyone else across the pond actually say and emphasize the letter 'H' it always reminds me of this clip from family guy (actual part starts @ 0:52):

]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lich59xsjik

[amyk]

Chinese (mis)translations use "welding" quite often. Probably because their grasp of the english language is close to zero, so they rely on imperfect translation software that keeps on making the same mistakes over and over.

The fact that they use the same character for both probably has something to do with it...

[XOIIO]

Everytime I hear Dave or anyone else across the pond actually say and emphasize the letter 'H' it always reminds me of this clip from family guy (actual part starts @ 0:52):

]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lich59xsjik

lol

[sleemanj]

is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"   

I think that may be a Chinese translation thing myself, I often see soldering referred to as welding but only ever in stuff translated from Chinese, or written in Chinglish.

[London Lad]

The word solder comes from the Middle English word soudur, via Old French solduree and soulder, from the Latin solidare, meaning "to make solid".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

There appears to be no "L" in the root source word: "soudur".  So perhaps pronouncing the silent-L is a continental affectation. 

Yet compare with this:

The word soldier entered modern English in the 14th century from the equivalent Middle English word soudeour, from Anglo-French soudeer or soudeour, meaning mercenary

A similar root source word with no "L", yet we say "soldier" and not "soddier".

So really, there is no winning 

At least British English is consistent in pronouncing both solder and soldier in a consistent fashion--not that there is all that much consistency in English pronunciation in general 

British English diverged sometime after North America was settled.  If you want to hear how the English sounded a few hundred years ago, listen to Americans.   There was a movement in England to "correct" pronunciation, and they swept through and basically invented the accent and pronunciation you hear today.  That's also why that general style of pronunciation is not ubiquitous through all of Great Britain.  The English diverged.  Everyone else just stayed as they were.

English is such a screwed up language anyway.  These inconsistencies in pronunciation are minor little details compared to the absolute train wreck the rest of the language is.

I think you will find it was the other way round. English (there's no such thing as British English) was in use in England and many other countries for many years before America was settled. If anyone diverged it was America.

[London Lad]

"L" is silent here.  Soddering, to be sure.  I think the bigger question is, "Regardless of how you pronounce it, is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"   

You can meld two wires by soldering.  It's incorrect to call it welding since welding requires melting of the base metals.  Soldering dissolves the base metals and though it's essentially an alloying process, no base metal is ever melted.  It would be no more correct to drop a piece of metal into a vat of acid, wait for it to dissolve, and then say that the metal was welded to the acid.

Soldering is joining two metals with a filler metal of a lower melting point.
Welding is joining two metals with a filler metal of the same melting point.

[Hypernova]

is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"   

I think that may be a Chinese translation thing myself, I often see soldering referred to as welding but only ever in stuff translated from Chinese, or written in Chinglish.

Probably a result of the translation programme not knowing the context as that's what we use to tell the difference, ie whether you are doing metal working or electronics.

[chipwitch]

Chinese (mis)translations use "welding" quite often. Probably because their grasp of the english language is close to zero, so they rely on imperfect translation software that keeps on making the same mistakes over and over.

That could be it.  In fact it's quite likely every example of it I've seen was from a poor attempt by a Chinese-speaking person to write in English.  I don't get that... with over a Billion people making products targeting consumers all over the world, it seems they don't have any fluent in the languages of their consumers to write their manuals?  If not, hire native speakers to translate their Chinglish for them.  For the price of one decent scope, I'd be happy to do just a translation!   

[chipwitch]

So..... anyone pronounce it "Kah-nyfe?"

[John Coloccia]

I think you will find it was the other way round. English (there's no such thing as British English) was in use in England and many other countries for many years before America was settled. If anyone diverged it was America.

I think I'll find it's exactly as I said it was, at least as far as pronunciation and accent is concerned (which is what we're talking about).  There was no such thing as an English accent until the English invented it well after the US was settled.

http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html

[London Lad]

I think you will find it was the other way round. English (there's no such thing as British English) was in use in England and many other countries for many years before America was settled. If anyone diverged it was America.

I think I'll find it's exactly as I said it was, at least as far as pronunciation and accent is concerned (which is what we're talking about).  There was no such thing as an English accent until the English invented it well after the US was settled.

http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html

I thought we were talking about the strange way Americans pronounce the word solder ?

Of course there is no such thing as an English accent when it comes to an Englishman speaking English.
When an American speaks English, well that's another story and I don't want to go there :-)

[nanofrog]

When an American speaks English, well that's another story and I don't want to go there :-)

Revisionist history at its finest.   UK pronounced things just as the US does at one time, then it was intentionally changed. So you've got it backwards.... Americans are accent free, while the UK went and messed things up.     

[London Lad]

When an American speaks English, well that's another story and I don't want to go there :-)

Revisionist history at its finest.   UK pronounced things just as the US does at one time, then it was intentionally changed. So you've got it backwards.... Americans are accent free, while the UK went and messed things up.     

Maybe but we didn't 'invent' America until a long time after we 'invented' English so I think we have it right