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Offline AG6QR

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Re: Favourite calculator design
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2015, 11:25:29 pm »
Ideal would be hp16 size, with math functions, statistic functions, with "engineering" and "scientific notation", ability to be programmed to do simple things (like repeating the evaluation of a simple formula with other parameters), SD card for storage, and dot matrix color display for plotting.  I would even go with a mini-clamshell like a slightly shrink down HP200 with color display and the aforementioned goodies.  Imagine HP16C in clam-shell configuration, that would be about right.

HP 15C is pretty close to what you're describing.  At least until you started talking about SD cards, dot matrix color displays, etc.  It is the same basic hardware as the 16C, but oriented toward scientific applications.  A very nice machine, though my own usage patterns favored the 16C.

My bias toward the HP 16C comes partly from the days when I did a lot of FORTRAN programming on an old IBM mainframe, with the ugly UI of that generation of computers.  When things would crash, I'd have a printout of a core dump to go through, with hex addresses and hex representations of data.  It might take a few hours or more to get another run in, so it was worth extracting as much useful info from the core dump as possible, rather than just guessing at what the problem might be, running it again, and seeing what happened (kids these days don't know how good they've got it with modern interactive symbolic debuggers).  In addition to the great bit-twiddling built-in to the HP 16C, I used the great programmability of it to write a routine that would convert IBM floating point numbers back and forth between IBM's peculiar floating point and hex, so I could type in a hex number from the dump and immediately see what floating point number it represented.  That was tremendously useful at the time.  Today, I'd do the job on the computer, but back then, the calculator was much more readily available than the computer.  Times have changed.

It brings up another point, back to the SD cards, dot matrix color displays, etc.  To me, a requirement for a calculator is that it should have multi-year battery life, very readable display in all lighting conditions, a keyboard that gives good tactile feedback, and instant on with no noticeable "boot time".  Other than that, it should be simple, and it shouldn't have features that cause compromises on those points.  These days especially, if you really need computing horsepower, big graphical displays, or need to massage large amounts of data, the calculator probably isn't the right tool.  We have laptops, desktops, internet-connected smartphones, tablets, etc.  But a simple uncluttered well-designed calculator is still the easiest way to do certain simple short tasks.
 

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Re: Favourite calculator design
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2015, 01:56:09 am »
Ideal would be hp16 size, with math functions, statistic functions, with "engineering" and "scientific notation", ability to be programmed to do simple things (like repeating the evaluation of a simple formula with other parameters), SD card for storage, and dot matrix color display for plotting.  I would even go with a mini-clamshell like a slightly shrink down HP200 with color display and the aforementioned goodies.  Imagine HP16C in clam-shell configuration, that would be about right.

HP 15C is pretty close to what you're describing.  At least until you started talking about SD cards, dot matrix color displays, etc.  It is the same basic hardware as the 16C, but oriented toward scientific applications.  A very nice machine, though my own usage patterns favored the 16C.

My bias toward the HP 16C comes partly from the days when I did a lot of FORTRAN programming on an old IBM mainframe
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It brings up another point, back to the SD cards, dot matrix color displays, etc.  To me, a requirement for a calculator is that it should have multi-year battery life, very readable display in all lighting conditions, a keyboard that gives good tactile feedback, and instant on with no noticeable "boot time". 
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I am of two minds about it.  I like the simplicity of single-task calculators like the 16C (or HP45 for that matter).  It would not be boot time that I am concerned about but rather the add complexity.  YellowKey+Key_X do one thing, and BlueKey_Key_X do another.  That gets in the way of "being able to do it with my eye closed" level of familiarity.

On the other hand, there are times (say 1 in 100) when those other odd function or even plotting comes in handy.  Carrying yet another tool is annoying, so more often then not, that 1 in 100 times when you do need it, you have to do without since that other tool is at home.  So back to one clunkie big calculator big as a shoes.

Judging from the occasions when I borrow my daughter's TI calculator, I too have to agree that perhaps the added complexity is not worth it.  So, I am of two minds about it...

May be I will join the chorus of another thread...  Let's have a law that all calculator should support RPN as well.  Than may be then I can live with a TI calculator.  I feel so lost with the EQUAL key instead of an ENTER key.

Rick
 

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Re: Favourite calculator design
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2015, 06:10:06 am »

My bias toward the HP 16C comes partly from the days when I did a lot of FORTRAN programming on an old IBM mainframe, with the ugly UI of that generation of computers.  When things would crash, I'd have a printout of a core dump to go through, with hex addresses and hex representations of data.  It might take a few hours or more to get another run in, so it was worth extracting as much useful info from the core dump as possible, rather than just guessing at what the problem might be, running it again, and seeing what happened (kids these days don't know how good they've got it with modern interactive symbolic debuggers).  In addition to the great bit-twiddling built-in to the HP 16C, I used the great programmability of it to write a routine that would convert IBM floating point numbers back and forth between IBM's peculiar floating point and hex, so I could type in a hex number from the dump and immediately see what floating point number it represented.  That was tremendously useful at the time.  Today, I'd do the job on the computer, but back then, the calculator was much more readily available than the computer.  Times have changed..

I don't know why, but that story totally warms my heart.   :)  Possibly because I used up my original HP-41, and discarded it thinking that would be fine because they would just come out with something better and more capable, because they always did. Then they really didn't

Years later (luckily for me), I eventually collected pristine examples of the series, which probably sat in their boxes unused all that time.  It's pleasing to know somebody drove one of these things the way it was meant to.

Sort of like seeing one of the surviving Saturn V rockets:  it's super-nice to see, but that first stage is supposed to be on the bottom of the ocean.

It brings up another point, back to the SD cards, dot matrix color displays, etc.  To me, a requirement for a calculator is that it should have multi-year battery life, very readable display in all lighting conditions, a keyboard that gives good tactile feedback, and instant on with no noticeable "boot time". 

As for battery life, I couldn't agree more.  It's not that new calculators like the HP Prime lack capability (because goodness, they don't) it's that they suck power like an electric lawnmower.
Rechargeables from the 70's like the original HP34c had better battery life!
 

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Re: Favourite calculator design
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2015, 07:06:00 am »
Battery life was one thing that killed the HP50g for me. I'd get a 10 days out of it on quality alkalines. So I bought some eneloops and a charger. Then I got 6 days out of it and started to get battery anxiety. So I carried around a spare set of loops. Then I worked out a Casio weighed the same so I carried around a Casio as a backup. I just ended up using that and after three years it still has the original LR44 set in it.

Then there's the 9750G which I'm currently using as it has a larger input area and more temp card as well as engineering uniys. I had one years ago and it lasted over two years on 4xAAAs at university engineering degree level daily usage.

The prime is surely worse with a colour backlit screen.
 


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