Intel aims at the Arduino: Galileo

[Ed.Kloonk]

I'm not sure what you're implying with that?

What diameter wire is that  and if that was hand soldered, what is the bga pitch?

A steady hand.

[GeorgeHahn]

So... disregarding all of the negatives, is there anywhere this board does make sense?

[amyk]

Pretty impressive, but whoever did it didn't check to see what kind of device they were lifting, or whether all 100+ pins needed to be extended. Wires on the outrigger pins? If that is a NAND flash memory then it is only going to have a narrow data bus and some control signals. No need for many of those wires. It wouldn't look as neat though.

seems like some kind of dram

Actually it's both. JEDEC MCP DDR + NAND flash e.g. http://www.deutron.com.tw/pdf/mDDR_512x16.pdf

[cubansite]

Lets not forget how we can pull the PIC off the Arduino and embed it in our final projects.

Then go on ebay and pick up another PIC for dirty cheap 

I'm not sure what you're implying with that?

That is overkill for simple projects.
But that is some skill there.
nice

[XL5]

As far as I am concerned, this is fantastically interesting. It also seems that bigger players are taking an interest in the hobby market.

[GeorgeHahn]

As far as I am concerned, this is fantastically interesting. It also seems that bigger players are taking an interest in the hobby market.

But they're completely missing the point! I agree that Intel could do a world of good for us hobbyists, but they're so far off, all they're going to do is spend a bunch of money and add to the noise.

For example: MinnowBoard. Open, right? Well, the layout is locked up in the format of a very expensive CAD package. Completely inaccessible. And good luck getting a datasheet for your processor.

[marshallh]

I take back my comment, that is a hybrid device.. the outer edges are laid out like gddr/ddr3 and NAND on the inside. Almost all the pins are utilized.

[AndyC_772]

For example: MinnowBoard. Open, right? Well, the layout is locked up in the format of a very expensive CAD package. Completely inaccessible.

You do know there's a free viewer for the board file, and that if you want to edit it, Allegro is available in a range of options with dramatically varying price tags...? The version I use - which includes OrCAD Capture as well - didn't cost much more than the laptop I run it on. It's branded as OrCAD PCB Designer, but it's the exact same binary. If I double click a .BRD file, the splash screen that pops up even says Allegro on it.

I'm afraid I don't understand why anyone would describe it as 'completely inaccessible', when it's trivial to request and install the free viewer from Cadence.

I suspect the problem is really just that the hobby market is very inward looking... everything has to be Eagle, or maybe KiCad - but a professional PCB designer won't be using those tools, ever.

[janoc]

For example: MinnowBoard. Open, right? Well, the layout is locked up in the format of a very expensive CAD package. Completely inaccessible.

You do know there's a free viewer for the board file, and that if you want to edit it, Allegro is available in a range of options with dramatically varying price tags...? The version I use - which includes OrCAD Capture as well - didn't cost much more than the laptop I run it on. It's branded as OrCAD PCB Designer, but it's the exact same binary. If I double click a .BRD file, the splash screen that pops up even says Allegro on it.

I'm afraid I don't understand why anyone would describe it as 'completely inaccessible', when it's trivial to request and install the free viewer from Cadence.

I think that this whole open/closed discussion is a red herring anyway - what is a hobbyist going to do with the board file anyway? It is not like an average person can rework that type of a board or is equipped to make their own clone (assuming that they could actually acquire the CPU/SoC in the first place). Schematics and a board documentation - dimensions, connector pinouts, etc. are a lot more useful than the board file.

I suspect the problem is really just that the hobby market is very inward looking... everything has to be Eagle, or maybe KiCad - but a professional PCB designer won't be using those tools, ever.

Well, for a hobbyist a $2k+ PCB package is simply not an option. And there isn't much else than Eagle and Kicad on the low end that is actually usable. So I this is a bit cheap shot to make.

[Monkeh]

I suspect the problem is really just that the hobby market is very inward looking... everything has to be Eagle, or maybe KiCad - but a professional PCB designer won't be using those tools, ever.

Eagle is used professionally.

[99wilksjam]

Saw this on hackaday, looks good I like the fact it comes with a NI, Shame we dont know how much it costs yet :s

[GeorgeHahn]

For example: MinnowBoard. Open, right? Well, the layout is locked up in the format of a very expensive CAD package. Completely inaccessible.

You do know there's a free viewer for the board file, and that if you want to edit it, Allegro is available in a range of options with dramatically varying price tags...? The version I use - which includes OrCAD Capture as well - didn't cost much more than the laptop I run it on. It's branded as OrCAD PCB Designer, but it's the exact same binary. If I double click a .BRD file, the splash screen that pops up even says Allegro on it.

I'm afraid I don't understand why anyone would describe it as 'completely inaccessible', when it's trivial to request and install the free viewer from Cadence.

I suspect the problem is really just that the hobby market is very inward looking... everything has to be Eagle, or maybe KiCad - but a professional PCB designer won't be using those tools, ever.

Much as I used to enjoy working with OrCAD, I can't justify using it for open hardware designs. That's the point of open hardware - if others can't freely modify it, then it's not open.

[nctnico]

I suspect the problem is really just that the hobby market is very inward looking... everything has to be Eagle, or maybe KiCad - but a professional PCB designer won't be using those tools, ever.

Eagle is used professionally.

And rather extensively. I wouldn't be surprised if Eagle has a bigger market share than Altium (in number of companies using the software).

[Rick Law]

So... disregarding all of the negatives, is there anywhere this board does make sense?

WiFi enabled thermostat with web based interface, perhaps?