Clearly it reflects not only the political situation in USA but also the glorified US engineers and US engineering. Most provocative statement yes but utterly valid. So CIA, NSA, FBI, etc all have super secure hardware but average hillbilly Joe US citizen get's vote machines made in China or what not?!l]
Mostly that video is a pile of crap. I didn't get very far in to the conspiracy nonsense but right off the bat they talked about 'that kid'.
The kid hacked a web site but that is NOT the official results. The results are tabulated from the paper ballots. Even when votes are counted electronically, there is a paper trail.
Unless results are close, votes aren't recounted. But they can be and often are. Bush vs Florida comes to mind. One can argue with the 'chad' thing but there was a paper trail. Hint: Our main-in ballots require a signature which is manually compared with an exemplar every time I vote. Furthermore, I have the legal right to ask if my vote was counted (it might not be if I made extraneous marks on the ballot, for example).
The real problem isn't the machines or the technology, the problem is the candidates. How does somebody come up with enough money to spend tens of millions of dollars running for state office that pays $100k/year? Well, they sold out to somebody and it isn't the poor people - they can't contribute the kind of money it takes to win an election.
Most voting machines aren't networked. The votes are stored inside the machine and downloaded back at the Registrar's office. There are variations, of course, but mostly the votes are secure.
Every once in awhile, the votes from an entire district are 'lost' or 'suddenly found'. This doesn't do much for creating a warm fuzzy feeling. This crap doesn't happen in the large states where politics is serious. There are too many special interests watching every step in the process. But for the smaller states, their impact on national elections is so small that their votes are meaningless. Unless they gang up to support a candidate. Then they matter. Hillary's strategy to skip over smaller states cost her 'bigly'.
Russia hacking the voting process itself? I kind of doubt it. But, Russia producing propaganda on social media? Definitely. Nobody has come up with even 1 vote electronically changed by Russia but there are many examples of propaganda on Twitter and Facebook. This is life in the age of the Internet. Get used to it!
Then there are the conspiracy nuts that have a "Show". Like the video. The Internet provides these nuts with an outsized presence and audience. Any fool can start a YouTube channel. "Conspiracies R' Us!" Indeed, the Internet provides an 'echo chamber' so like minded folks can reinforce each other and never encounter a contradicting idea.
There is no such thing as 'Voter Suppression'. There may be a requirement for ID, why wouldn't there be? I need ID to get on an airplane, why not to vote? Remember the signature requirement above? That tracks back to my California Driver License and to the proper ta records. They know exactly who I am and where I live (assuming I kept DMV updated which I am legally required to do). Yes, there are examples of intimidation - like the Black Panthers suppressing white voters in the '08 election. DMVs also issue non-driver ID cards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case
Perhaps it is raining and hard to get to a polling place. Maybe it is a bit out of the way. Maybe there are long lines (mail-in ballots are the way to go!). Maybe a lot of things... But when only 58% of eligible voters even bother to vote, I don't think folks should be yelling about suppression. In Singapore, voting is mandatory!
And, anyway, what's it to you? You don't live here (according to your location flag).
Russia doesn't do anything America already does to other countries.
Truthfully Russia had no influence on the election. Seth Rich contributed the largest single factor in the election The Truth by way of Emails.
The conspiracy nuts just love counting the number of dead people in the Clinton sphere of influence. It numbers 56 according to this list. Vince Foster was just one of many.
Hacked voting machines are the least of the problems with elections in the US.
Russia doesn't do anything America already does to other countries.
Truthfully Russia had no influence on the election. Seth Rich contributed the largest single factor in the election The Truth by way of Emails.
Of course we try to massage elections. It isn't pretty but I'm pretty sure we do it all the time.
Seth Rich? Who knows? Maybe he sent documents, maybe he's a fall guy. Maybe his killing really was 'random'. It happens in some cities dozens of times a week.
The conspiracy nuts just love counting the number of dead people in the Clinton sphere of influence. It numbers 56 according to this list. Vince Foster was just one of many.
https://scout.com/college/auburn/Board/104012/Contents/Clinton-Dead-Pool-List-112235358
The Internet is cool! We can hear anything we want!
Hacked voting machines are the least of the problems with elections in the US.
I would disagree; the future of the country depends on the vote.
Trash the machines, go back to counting the real ballots in the full view of the public.
I almost didn't post in this thread because I know dave doesn't like the politics. Maybe we can stick to the technical details which are loads more interesting.
I almost didn't post in this thread because I know dave doesn't like the politics. Maybe we can stick to the technical details which are loads more interesting.
Mostly that video is a pile of crap. I didn't get very far in to the conspiracy nonsense but right off the bat they talked about 'that kid'.
The kid hacked a web site but that is NOT the official results. The results are tabulated from the paper ballots. Even when votes are counted electronically, there is a paper trail.
Unless results are close, votes aren't recounted. But they can be and often are. Bush vs Florida comes to mind. One can argue with the 'chad' thing but there was a paper trail. Hint: Our main-in ballots require a signature which is manually compared with an exemplar every time I vote. Furthermore, I have the legal right to ask if my vote was counted (it might not be if I made extraneous marks on the ballot, for example).
The real problem isn't the machines or the technology, the problem is the candidates. How does somebody come up with enough money to spend tens of millions of dollars running for state office that pays $100k/year? Well, they sold out to somebody and it isn't the poor people - they can't contribute the kind of money it takes to win an election.
Most voting machines aren't networked. The votes are stored inside the machine and downloaded back at the Registrar's office. There are variations, of course, but mostly the votes are secure.
Every once in awhile, the votes from an entire district are 'lost' or 'suddenly found'. This doesn't do much for creating a warm fuzzy feeling. This crap doesn't happen in the large states where politics is serious. There are too many special interests watching every step in the process. But for the smaller states, their impact on national elections is so small that their votes are meaningless. Unless they gang up to support a candidate. Then they matter. Hillary's strategy to skip over smaller states cost her 'bigly'.
Russia hacking the voting process itself? I kind of doubt it. But, Russia producing propaganda on social media? Definitely. Nobody has come up with even 1 vote electronically changed by Russia but there are many examples of propaganda on Twitter and Facebook. This is life in the age of the Internet. Get used to it!
Then there are the conspiracy nuts that have a "Show". Like the video. The Internet provides these nuts with an outsized presence and audience. Any fool can start a YouTube channel. "Conspiracies R' Us!" Indeed, the Internet provides an 'echo chamber' so like minded folks can reinforce each other and never encounter a contradicting idea.
There is no such thing as 'Voter Suppression'. There may be a requirement for ID, why wouldn't there be? I need ID to get on an airplane, why not to vote? Remember the signature requirement above? That tracks back to my California Driver License and to the property records. They know exactly who I am and where I live (assuming I kept DMV updated which I am legally required to do). DMVs also issue non-driver ID cards.
Yes, there are examples of intimidation - like the Black Panthers suppressing white voters in the '08 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case
Perhaps it is raining and hard to get to a polling place. Maybe it is a bit out of the way. Maybe there are long lines (mail-in ballots are the way to go!). Maybe a lot of things... But when only 58% of eligible voters even bother to vote, I don't think folks should be yelling about suppression. In Singapore, voting is mandatory!
And, anyway, what's it to you? You don't live here (according to your location flag).
Whether there is a problem or not with the voting machines, the BIGGEST ISSUE is the fact that the companies who make them do so in PROPRIETARY ways that limit the security expert field from properly scrutinizing the machines. I understand they don't want any patents or trade secrets to fall into the wrong hands, but still, the best way to ensure the security is good is to PENETRATION TEST it with a bunch of hackers, offer a prize and make it available to be hacked.
Ideally, you would want an OPEN SOURCE approach if possible and not go after "hackers" who buy up the used machines to try to find the vulnerabilities in them. There were DEFCON competitions I believe a few years ago devoted to this kind of stuff, complete with lawsuits by the various manufacturers prohibiting people from buying them and trying to "Reverse engineer" the machines.
Ok, so you want to give someone a "black box", don't tell them about anything inside, keep everything proprietary and obfuscated as to how it works. OK.... But at least don't stop well-meaning hackers or threaten to sue them.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/29/us_voting_machines_hacking/
Most voting machines aren't networked. The votes are stored inside the machine and downloaded back at the Registrar's office. There are variations, of course, but mostly the votes are secure.
Every once in awhile, the votes from an entire district are 'lost' or 'suddenly found'. This doesn't do much for creating a warm fuzzy feeling. This crap doesn't happen in the large states where politics is serious. There are too many special interests watching every step in the process. But for the smaller states, their impact on national elections is so small that their votes are meaningless. Unless they gang up to support a candidate. Then they matter. Hillary's strategy to skip over smaller states cost her 'bigly'.
Russia hacking the voting process itself? I kind of doubt it. But, Russia producing propaganda on social media? Definitely. Nobody has come up with even 1 vote electronically changed by Russia but there are many examples of propaganda on Twitter and Facebook. This is life in the age of the Internet. Get used to it!
Then there are the conspiracy nuts that have a "Show". Like the video. The Internet provides these nuts with an outsized presence and audience. Any fool can start a YouTube channel. "Conspiracies R' Us!" Indeed, the Internet provides an 'echo chamber' so like minded folks can reinforce each other and never encounter a contradicting idea.
There is no such thing as 'Voter Suppression'. There may be a requirement for ID, why wouldn't there be? I need ID to get on an airplane, why not to vote? Remember the signature requirement above? That tracks back to my California Driver License and to the property records. They know exactly who I am and where I live (assuming I kept DMV updated which I am legally required to do). DMVs also issue non-driver ID cards.
Yes, there are examples of intimidation - like the Black Panthers suppressing white voters in the '08 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case
Perhaps it is raining and hard to get to a polling place. Maybe it is a bit out of the way. Maybe there are long lines (mail-in ballots are the way to go!). Maybe a lot of things... But when only 58% of eligible voters even bother to vote, I don't think folks should be yelling about suppression. In Singapore, voting is mandatory!
And, anyway, what's it to you? You don't live here (according to your location flag).
Andrew Apfel, a CS professor at Princeton has co-authored a number of papers on the insecure voting machines. New Jersey was even warned about a particular kind of machine but purchased them anyway.
Several generations of computer science graduates have written innumerable papers about the various touch screen voting machines enabled by the Stop America from Voting Act.
https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/
Clearly it reflects not only the political situation in USA but also the glorified US engineers and US engineering. Most provocative statement yes but utterly valid. So CIA, NSA, FBI, etc all have super secure hardware but average hillbilly Joe US citizen get's vote machines made in China or what not?!