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« Reply #75 on: May 31, 2019, 02:23:57 am »
It's not just spending money.   The individual has to decide to get help or have people in there life that intervene and make them get help.   If that doesn't happen no amount of government expenditure will help.    As you said, there seems to be a lot more mental health issues especially with young men then there have been in the past.   I don't know why it's happening.  I do agree that youtube as a primary income could be stressful and uncertain.  Much better to do it as a hobby or secondary income stream.
 

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« Reply #76 on: May 31, 2019, 02:32:12 am »
I'm not *too* surprised by rates dropping.

The diagram shows that the rate is increasing for the USA. But it is decreasing for example in China and India, where 2.7 billion people live (see here, and click "Change Country" at the bottom of the diagram), and so it outweighs other countries with lower population like the USA with 327 million people, if you look at the world rate.

I've downloaded the raw data. I was surprised to see that Greenland has the highest suicide rate (followed by Russia, which is not that surprising). There is a Wikipedia article about it.

I wrote a Python script to see how the suicide rate changed from 1990 to 2017, and then sorted it by this factor, which you can see here, sorted by the factor. The range is from 0.4 for Denmark up to 3.2 for Armenia, which suggests that external factors have a strong influence, otherwise there wouldn't be so much variation. So for the world it is dropping, but it is very different for individual countries.
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« Reply #77 on: May 31, 2019, 02:43:25 am »
 The Wikipedia article you linked tells the second most suicidal place is Lithuania and  makes no mentioning of Russia.
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« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2019, 02:49:39 am »
The Wikipedia article you linked tells the second most suicidal place is Lithuania and  makes no mentioning of Russia.

You are right, here is the complete data, sorted by suicide rate in 2017:

http://www.sharecsv.com/s/3f2cd0c936bdb0631224d316c431d00f/increase.csv

Looks like Greenland has improved a lot since 1990.
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« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2019, 03:14:09 am »
Dave, just wondering, when you got laid off, did you feel any anxiety or uncertainty about the your future? If not, why not?

No, because:
a) As mentioned in one of my job interview tips series videos, I always have a "screw you" cash buffer for such eventualities, or simply getting fed up with your job and quitting without having lined up another job. Or your boss threatens you with your job, which you should never accept, quit immediately if they do that.

b) I know that I have the talent and enthusiasm to get another job. Could take a few months to get a decent job again, but that's what the cash buffer is for. I recommend building up to a 6 month living expenses cash buffer.

c) I also know that I have the ability to make money on the side, selling kits, buying and reselling on ebay, or any one of a number of other things I could think of.

d) I never let my job define my life or dictate it, it's a just a job, they are dime a dozen. This is often simply a state of mind thing.

And for those who say they can't build up a cash buffer, then you are doing something wrong.
 

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« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2019, 03:18:11 am »
It's not just spending money.   The individual has to decide to get help or have people in there life that intervene and make them get help.   If that doesn't happen no amount of government expenditure will help.    As you said, there seems to be a lot more mental health issues especially with young men then there have been in the past.   I don't know why it's happening.  I do agree that youtube as a primary income could be stressful and uncertain.  Much better to do it as a hobby or secondary income stream.

In the case of Aussie50 he was probably making about $30-$40 a day at best from Youtube, so not even close to being a substantial income.
 

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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2019, 03:43:35 am »
No, because:
a) As mentioned in one of my job interview tips series videos, I always have a "screw you" cash buffer for such eventualities, or simply getting fed up with your job and quitting without having lined up another job. Or your boss threatens you with your job, which you should never accept, quit immediately if they do that.

b) I know that I have the talent and enthusiasm to get another job. Could take a few months to get a decent job again, but that's what the cash buffer is for. I recommend building up to a 6 month living expenses cash buffer.

c) I also know that I have the ability to make money on the side, selling kits, buying and reselling on ebay, or any one of a number of other things I could think of.

d) I never let my job define my life or dictate it, it's a just a job, they are dime a dozen. This is often simply a state of mind thing.

And for those who say they can't build up a cash buffer, then you are doing something wrong.

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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2019, 04:17:12 am »
Getting laid off is a fact of life in the corporate world, I've been through it a couple times in my career and I'm sure it will happen again. It's a rough experience, much like breaking up from any kind of relationship and you cope with it similarly. Remind yourself that generally speaking you were let go as a business decision, not because you suck. It's a temporary situation, spend the time working on your skillset and polishing up the resume and start looking, it may take a while but something will come up. Get outside, exercise, get a good night's sleep and take some time out for hobbies to keep your brain sharp. Contact friends and former coworkers, meet for lunch, have a beer, network network network. Each time I was laid off I ended up finding a better job either making more money, enjoying the work more or both.

Just like breaking up with a girl/guy/whatever, it can feel like the ground has been pulled out from under you  but it's not the end of the world, take a breather then get back on your feet, it's just life. Sometimes life sucks, it doesn't have to stay that way.
 
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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2019, 04:29:25 am »
I have seen one episode where Dave called it "screw you money" and I think he was pointing his finger for when your employer gets rid off you.

There is always what if you can no longer get work even for your interests and hobbies and boredom comes into play and you don't want to find something else.

Much better to do it as a hobby or secondary income stream.

I thought he did it as a hobby.

Assumption:
I was thinking he was in debt and was going to loose quite a lot of things.
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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2019, 05:01:10 am »
With respect to having a “screw you” money buffer, there’s a huge psychic difference between thinking you “simply can’t” leave/lose a job vs knowing that “if things get really bad”, you actually can walk if you get pushed too far.

Having the option available, even if it means some temporary hardship, can go a long way to tolerating a sub-optimal situation.  Not having that option available can cause a bad job situation to fester, resulting in frustration, anger, and the feeling of being trapped & unable to control events.

If only for one’s sanity as well as the general mental health of you and your loved ones, everyone needs an operational “Plan B”, as far as I’m concerned.
 

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« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2019, 06:53:26 am »
I don't know and won't speculate on what may have caused this fellow to take his own life, I also don't know what his living arrangements were but living in the same state as him I am fully aware that housing affordability and maintaining a roof over your head is a major concern to many people.

This relates not just to the purchase of a home but also the rental market where it's now common to see two or three dozen people lined up for a ten minute inspection of an available rental property. Estate agents are guilty of giving preference to those who can pay many months in advance even though this is in breach of the residential tenancies act.

There are many people who simply don't have that kind of money and unless they can call on support from friends or family then they are at risk of becoming homeless. Even with a secure job and favourable rental history it is now extremely difficult to have a rental application accepted in order to secure somewhere to live.


 
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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2019, 07:06:05 am »
I don't know and won't speculate on what may have caused this fellow to take his own life, I also don't know what his living arrangements were but living in the same state as him I am fully aware that housing affordability and maintaining a roof over your head is a major concern to many people.

That reminded me of the video with the dog:

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On looking again at the video that might show a clue on his living arrangements. The room looks small and packed. What I thought was a couch in a house has quilt cover over it and there is sleeping bag in the background in 1.11 of the video with all clothes scattered on it and a metal pipe on the wall to the left where the television is.
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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2019, 07:06:30 am »
a) As mentioned in one of my job interview tips series videos, I always have a "screw you" cash buffer for such eventualities, or simply getting fed up with your job and quitting without having lined up another job. Or your boss threatens you with your job, which you should never accept, quit immediately if they do that.

b) I know that I have the talent and enthusiasm to get another job. Could take a few months to get a decent job again, but that's what the cash buffer is for. I recommend building up to a 6 month living expenses cash buffer.

c) I also know that I have the ability to make money on the side, selling kits, buying and reselling on ebay, or any one of a number of other things I could think of.

d) I never let my job define my life or dictate it, it's a just a job, they are dime a dozen. This is often simply a state of mind thing.

And for those who say they can't build up a cash buffer, then you are doing something wrong.

Adding to this excellent advice,

e) Learn to widen your comfort zone. It's OK to have a high standard of living when you have stable income to support that, but if something surprising happens, the only sustainable way is to drop your living standards, sometimes quickly, and by a great amount if necessary. Actually this relieves mental stress, since it's extremely stressful trying to maintain a high living standard on debt, knowing deep inside that you can't afford your own lifestyle. Dropping your expenses from, say, $3000/month to $1000/month, means that your 3-month buffer becomes a 9-month buffer!

Recognize your biggest two expenses. If they are anything else than housing, and actual food, you are doing something very, very wrong. (Visiting coffee houses is not "food", even if you eat there.) Housing is indeed expensive, and hardest to optimize quickly, but many people who think they are broke actually have large expenses that are completely unnecessary and they don't even realize it.
 
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« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2019, 07:14:03 am »
While I was registering on the forum, I promised myself I will try to keep it mostly technical and never personal. It seems I am breaking the promise.

“Each year approximately one million people die from suicide”; “every 40 seconds one death”
Think about that, while you are reading this thread. One registered user, who was on the forum while I was writing this post, will die from a suicide. 250 current forum members will or already did — that’s more than Dunbar’s number. This is the scale of the phenomenon.

Don’t make guesses about what were his reasons, unless you have some reliable traces. It’s pointless. I doubt it was MDD, as he was active to the end. But that’s all. Do not assume, that people are having any kind of depressive mood if they are “sounding sad”. Neither make the opposite assumption: people in such condition do not need to look sad(1). In fact people with dysthymia may seem extremely happy and successful. There are many reasons people commit suicide, some not even directly caused by mood-related issues; as a simple example someone may kill oneself to avoid dealing with problems in the near future.

Do not judge. People going through any type of depression are not of “weak character”. MDD is a natural reaction to stress, completely independent of person’s will, background or character. It’s pure chemistry over which you have no control. The same goes for dysthymia, which may be caused by biological factors. Do not think about depressive mood disorders as anything else than, let’s say, diabetes.

Since the causes are usually chemical/biological, it can be treated just like any other disease. If you fracture your bone, you do not walk around hoping it will fix itself. Neither one should make such an assumption with MDD.(2) If you have hormonal problems, you take drugs — perhaps to the end of the life — to regain balance. And dysthymia is not different. In the worst case you may ask for a different therapy or refuse it — check your local regulations, but I never heard of a modern country in which someone would force pills down your throat.

If a cure is effective and safe is a different issue. As a person, who refused taking antidepressants, I have no right to suggest doing that. But this is not the only option! Depending on situation one may consider psychotherapy (which has no undesired side effects), a psychiatrist being a mediator between a patient and other doctors (to remove underlying conditions), minor changes in lifestyle or something as simple as… a lamp. Do not avoid consulting a psychiatrist just because you imagine you will leave with a box of Prozac. On the other hand, you must be assertive — there is no way around asking the doctor about alternatives.

And psychiatrists are yet another problem. Not only them, but also people trying to “help”. More often than not both groups are trying to “fix” a person instead of caring for the actual needs. It’s often about “making it normal again”, where “normal” means “like an average person”. And making it quick. I guess this is the major reason people avoid getting help. If any form of lowered mood is considered wrong and the affected person is expecting to face extreme, potentially harmful and ineffective measures, I do not blame them for not seeking professional care. If you see a depressed person and want to help them, first get your motivation right. And respect that person — they still want some autonomy. Otherwise the outcome may be opposite to what you expect. An evening spent with someone, who is willing to meet with you, may be more important than anything medicine has to offer to them.

If you wish to commit a suicide: consider not doing that. The problem is that most attempts are ending in a failure. Even those, which seem “certain”: throwing yourself under a train, a truck, jumping from a bridge, hanging etc. Worse than that: if you survive, you have considerable chances of ending as a disabled person. Not the smartest idea.

Note: I am not a professional psychiatrist. The above is based on my own experiences and those of my friends and acquaintances.
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(1) Except for a developed MDD, but then visible sadness is not the only symptom.
(2) Right, ribs are the exception. So are some cases of MDD. But a rib should be seen by a specialist, and similar check may be a good idea with the latter.
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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2019, 08:06:36 am »
R.I.P Edward Jones (Aussie50) you will be missed forever  :'(
I did speak with him for some years ago on steam. Very nice bloke for sure.

After i heard the bad news about his suicide from BigClive on Youtube it did make me sad that he decide to end his life :(

I have been trying to get out from that hole i have been stuck in last 8 months from depression. I do see the light and not darkness in my life.
Not first time i have to deal with depression in my life.
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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #90 on: May 31, 2019, 08:35:05 am »
If a cure is effective and safe is a different issue. As a person, who refused taking antidepressants, I have no right to suggest doing that. But this is not the only option! Depending on situation one may consider psychotherapy (which has no undesired side effects), a psychiatrist being a mediator between a patient and other doctors (to remove underlying conditions), minor changes in lifestyle or something as simple as… a lamp. Do not avoid consulting a psychiatrist just because you imagine you will leave with a box of Prozac. On the other hand, you must be assertive — there is no way around asking the doctor about alternatives.


I know someone who was promised help that they should have rightfully have due to their condition. I knew the college was dodgy as I use to challenge them in meetings, they really wanted me just to sign up there and refused to go there. I did pratical work that was offered before I found somewhere private and decent. All the students bunked off their courses at that institute as I warned them what might happen and they were prescribing anti depressents to my friend at the time who was attending there rather than getting the help that he rightfully needed and was promised do the courses, he struggled through the work and all they were pleased about him keeping up to their targets and talk about their league table. I warned him that the medication can make him suicidal and the side effects as the very same drug he was prescribed was on the news on suicide rates. He took it and eventually became rude, dropped all of his subjects, disappeared for a while, came back better but left with nothing. He had good family so I think that helped a lot.

I see it is good to to prepare and protect yourself as I did in that situation but I suppose there are many others that I'll fail at without help.
 

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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #91 on: May 31, 2019, 10:17:23 am »
Unfortunately I just heard of another Columbian electronics Youtuber, Ampletos also taking their own life  :(
He had 300k subs.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Ampletos
This happened in December last year. It was a great loss for the Spanish/Portuguese electronics world, especially the audio aficionados. His website has lots of excellent tutorials and projects, all written in a very clear and easy way.
http://www.videorockola.com/proyectos-electronicos/


maybe it is my choice of subscriptions, but it seems to me quite a few of the youtubers I'm subscribed to have been posting videos of being depressed burned out, or worse  lately
It's not you, it's a big trend on youtube and many big Youtubers are either affected by it or talking about other big Youtubers being affected by it
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+youtube+burnout
I even referenced it my 10year video.
I think it is a natural consequence of more and more people jumping into a "new" bandwagon - a percentage will always be overworked, especially in a very high exposure gig such as Youtube.
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« Reply #92 on: May 31, 2019, 10:51:03 am »
With respect to having a “screw you” money buffer, there’s a huge psychic difference between thinking you “simply can’t” leave/lose a job vs knowing that “if things get really bad”, you actually can walk if you get pushed too far.
Having the option available, even if it means some temporary hardship, can go a long way to tolerating a sub-optimal situation.  Not having that option available can cause a bad job situation to fester, resulting in frustration, anger, and the feeling of being trapped & unable to control events.
If only for one’s sanity as well as the general mental health of you and your loved ones, everyone needs an operational “Plan B”, as far as I’m concerned.

That was effectively part C of my list, having a hobby you can turn into an income if need be, or at least some skills and/or knowledge in some particular area.
e.g. one of my hobbies was (and kinda still is) buying test equipment on ebay cheap from overseas, doing them up and then reselling locally, often for double or triple what I paid for it. In a pinch I could have made that an income source to pay the bills if I really worked at it.

But the easiest and most foolproof way for most to do that is to save up that cash buffer. Money solves all your worry issues. You work to earn money, so if you have the money you don't need to work (for a while). It can take years to save that buffer, and it takes some discipline to not touch it, but it's not that hard if you automate that.
 

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Re: Sad Aussie50 News
« Reply #93 on: May 31, 2019, 11:10:34 am »
money is not the only factor...

i never heard rich nor poor people killing themselves around here. only people (usually middle class in urban city) that i believe who not hold on to the real answer is, usually with relationship or debt problem. but even that its very very seldomly heard.
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« Reply #94 on: May 31, 2019, 11:13:58 am »
the counselor was adamant that I was just in a state of shock and it hadn't sunk in yet. No amount of trying to convince her otherwise worked, she insisted I needed further counselling sessions.

Like asking a car salesman if you need a new car.

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« Reply #95 on: May 31, 2019, 12:25:54 pm »
money is not the only factor...

Of course, but most people work for a living in order to pay for things they need to survive and live comfortably, that's how the world works. Take that away and people's lives turn upside down in an instant.
This is why people live in fear of losing their job, and they often take abuse from an employer when they shouldn't have to.
This is why losing your job can be devastating to some because they didn't think about saving money, or about having any sort of backup plan in terms of alternative income sources or skills they can turn into alternative income sources if required. But because backup income plans can fail, the easiest and guaranteed reliable solution for most people is just having cash savings they can fall back on for a while if needed. I seriously recommend it to everyone.
 
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« Reply #96 on: May 31, 2019, 12:51:52 pm »
I can tell you from experience that having money or a rainy day stash counts for nothing if your health, mental or otherwise suddenly fails. Being well has a value worth more than most will ever know until it's too late.
 
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« Reply #97 on: May 31, 2019, 12:56:47 pm »
Being broke sure doesn't equal stress free happiness either.
 

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« Reply #98 on: May 31, 2019, 01:23:44 pm »
partly due to how economical system is designed/fashioned esp in the city imho, one simple example is house mortgage. paying the loan can be a lifetime liability/burden. so there's study about "Riba". there used to be time when people can build house without this kind of nonsense. Land was abundant and actually still is, its just some people/organization/government made it seems like limited (or "controlled"). similar with food. technologies are developed to confine people in the smallest area possible instead of utilizing the vast area of the blue planet, well thats just a small examples. giving away to needy people and smile can give some relief, sometime realization to the purpose and worthiness of life. sometime its amazing and make wonder how these poor people can survive without any shelter protecting them. jobs are everywhere its also amazing how most people are too picky... expectation and rank class in the society etc etc. fwiw ymmv.



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« Reply #99 on: May 31, 2019, 01:29:33 pm »
I can tell you from experience that having money or a rainy day stash counts for nothing if your health, mental or otherwise suddenly fails. Being well has a value worth more than most will ever know until it's too late.
But having no or not enough money usually makes the latter problems even worse. It's just about finding a healthy attitude about one's financial security and attainable life standard.
 


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