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« on: November 17, 2014, 11:03:48 am »
dose any one know how to set up a server. i tried but it only displayed a webpage if you browsed to http://localhost or the ip address of the IIS 7
server. but when i type that ip address in another computer on the same network it dose not work.
is there a way i can setup a website with no domain name on a home network?
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Re: server
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 11:24:28 am »
Please check your firewall settings first.
 

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Re: server
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 12:10:41 pm »
Make sure port 80 (HTTP) is open on the firewall with the web server on.
 

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 12:20:21 am »
is there a way i can setup a website with no domain name on a home network?
To answer your question, yes absolutely. I assume you're basically trying to create an "Intranet". But just because you don't have a domain, doesn't nesessarily mean it can't be accessed from outside.

I would advise you to Google and try out some other web server packages (there are plenty of free ones) other than IIS. IIS is fairly advanced and as a beginner, I would advise against it especially if your web server will also be internet facing. You could open yourself up to all sorts of security issues if you don't know what you're doing.

(Don't forget to disable IIS if you're using a 3rd party tool.)
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Re: server
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2014, 12:43:30 am »
The keyword "localhost" always refers to the computer you're working on.  So if you type  http :// localhost  on a computer, the browser detects the IP of the computer you type that on and tries to connect to a web server on that IP. 
So of course when you go to another computer and type localhost in the browser, it won't work because you don't have a web server installed and configured on that computer.

My advice - like others already told you - would be install one of those all-in-one packages that include Apache, PHP and other things. XAMPP comes to mind, but I'm not sure if that's the most relevant these days.
When you gain some experience (or if you feel like doing it), you can edit Apache web server's configuration file manually and configure the web server as you wish.  Just don't forget to restart the Apache server from Windows services so that Apache will re-read the configuration file.

You'll also have to be careful to allow the web server service in the firewall (for apache, it's httpd.exe) and you also have to be careful about what other programs may run on your computer - for example, sometimes programs like Yahoo Messenger or Skype start faster than the web server and reserve the default port (80) for their own use, making the web server fail to start. They do this to get around blocks and other restrictions.


To connect to your website, you'll need to figure out the IP of the computer (either internal or external) and then type http :// ip  in the browser.  You can find the local ip in Network and Sharing Center in Windows 7, you have there Local Area Connection and after you click on it you can then hit the "Details" button and it tells you the local IP.  alternatively, start > run > cmd> ipconfig
The external IP, you can easily use websites to tell you that.  I often use http://ping.eu cause it's easy to remember.
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Re: server
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2014, 10:07:33 am »
Please check your firewall settings first.
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Re: server
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2014, 11:49:49 am »
Is your WiFi on the same network as the "server"?

I assume it is on the same subnet also?
 

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Re: server
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2014, 12:12:33 pm »
Hi,

If you must use IIS and are a beginner then install Plesks Parallels Panel and it'll help do all the admin/techy for you......you won't need to go near the Microsoft IIS config etc.

http://sp.parallels.com/products/plesk/

I have it on my dedicated server and no complaints from me nor my users (albeit there's only two of them).

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Re: server
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2014, 12:58:11 pm »
Is your WiFi on the same network as the "server"?

I assume it is on the same subnet also?
what dose that mean
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2014, 01:12:37 pm »
It means what it says,

If you don't know what it means I suggest you look online for networking tutorials as you need to have at least a simple understanding of how a network operates before attempting to build a server.

Do as IanJ has suggested to see if there is a missing parameter, though I suspect if you can get it working on another PC in the subnet it would be something more taxing.
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2014, 01:22:18 pm »
i got it working but it dose not work on the network Wi-Fi android tablet

Some WiFi routers don't allow traffic between the wired and wireless clients by default and you have to enable it in the settings.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2014, 01:23:07 pm »
In most cases localhost is 127.0.0.1 ;) You can configure IIS to run IP or name (http v1.1) based webspace.
 

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Re: server
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2014, 04:57:32 pm »
This is not the best forums for computer advice.

But from another computer you need the IP address or DNS name of the webserver computer you're accessing. Localhost or 127.0.0.1 is only a loop back to the local computer it will not resolve to another computer on your network in a default configuration.

Once you are using the proper IP address on the remote computer if you still have problems:

Turn off windows firewall, or any firewall or antivirus software that may mess with port 80.

As mentioned above make sure your router is not set to isolate wireless and LAN based connections (they won't be able communicate). Check if they are on the same network (check the ip address and hostmask).

If still a problem then you should start doing basic tests like ping and telnet diagnostics to see if the networking is functional.
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Re: server
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2014, 09:51:20 am »
This is not the best forums for computer advice.

But from another computer you need the IP address or DNS name of the webserver computer you're accessing. Localhost or 127.0.0.1 is only a loop back to the local computer it will not resolve to another computer on your network in a default configuration.

Once you are using the proper IP address on the remote computer if you still have problems:

Turn off windows firewall, or any firewall or antivirus software that may mess with port 80.

As mentioned above make sure your router is not set to isolate wireless and LAN based connections (they won't be able communicate). Check if they are on the same network (check the ip address and hostmask).

If still a problem then you should start doing basic tests like ping and telnet diagnostics to see if the networking is functional.
i got it working after i reset the router now if i type in the computers ip address in the android tablet or PC it displays the webpage.
if i type in the computers public ip address on a computer that is connected to the internet on another network would it work?
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Re: server
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2014, 01:49:30 pm »
If you try to connect from the internet, a computer on the internet will only see your router connected to the internet, the computers in the network are hidden behind the router. Since the router itself doesn't have a web server, you normally won't be able to connect to your web server from outside.

So you have to configure the router to take anything it receives on port 80 and pass it on to the computer inside the local network that you want to be the web server.  This is called "port forwarding" ... on some router configuration pages you can find it under "Virtual Server" or "port forwarding" .. read the descriptions or help pages of your router interface to figure things out.
 

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Re: server
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2014, 05:04:46 pm »
Your Question is a bit too general
Yes i know how to setup Servers

I'm a computer Engineer
if you need any help, don't be afraid to email me directly

first thing you need to do is as follows

1. you obviously need to learn Networking Basics - Google it, You Tube it,  Shouldn't take too long
  You Should Understand the following before you proceed

- Basic Networks
- LAN
- WLAN
- PAN
- MAN
- WAN

- Network Topology
- the O.S.I. Model
- computer fundamentals (bits, Bytes etc)
- Conversions from one unit to another, and Orders of Magnitude
- Internet Protocol V4 (IPV4)
- IPv6
- IP Addressing and how it works
- Some Subnetting  (this will depend on the network that the server will support and it will depend on your domains)
- Know what a domain is to begin with
- Understand ROLES in a server and what they are for
- Under SERVICES in a computer and what they do
- Understanding of Virtual Computers
- Understanding of Databases would be helpful
- Understanding of Active Directory would be helpful
- Having some experience with formatting computers and especially formatting Servers and re installing the O/S
- Understanding of Accounts and User Priviledges and Folder Permissions
- BAsic Understanding of Network Security
- Understanding of How Ports Work
- Understanding of DHCP
- Understanding of How to configure your Access Point

i could honestly go on for quiet a bit here.


BUT

2. You need to understand (Before you build and setup the server)
WHAT WILL IT'S PURPOSE BE

What sort of server are you building
Home Server
Fax Server
Print Server
Data Center

What.. they all require Different configurations,
it's not like building a computer, and you just say to someone,
Hey mate i want to install windows, how do i do it
it's not the same thing

this is a completely different kettle of fish

3. What Server Platform are you using
i personally would recommend  (Assuming your using Windows)
Windows Server 2008 R2 (it's pretty good)
if your using Linux
there's  Red Hat, There's SuSe SLED

or you could go with the Apple Server Platform

all this needs to be decided up front before you even buy the hardware

4. How many client computers are you going to have on the network
we need to consider the work load, so you know the system requirements

5. Will you need a database
6. Will you require Sharepoint Server
7. How many simultaneous connections


at least try to answer the above questions

if you feel inundated
drop me a line and i'll help you out as much as i can

but honestly
with all respect

Most of us have put in many many years of training and hard work to get to where we are
so. you can't just pop in and expect us to just give you the answer to everyting and do everything for you without any effort on your part

so, Please
At Least do some research on NEtworking Basics
and at least format and install a computer once and have a crack , by yourself at setting up a Server

don't worry, if you stuff up , you can just reformat and start over (as long as you have nothing critical installed
set up a dummy system and play with it for a week.

let me know if you need any help

take care
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Re: server
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 04:58:53 am »
LOL

Remember also if you are opening up a webserver like IIS to the public (internet facing) unless you have the latest security updates for Windows/IIS you run the risk of that PC becoming exploited (compromised webserver due to malicious activity).

So be mindful that you take security into consideration. Google something like "Security Guidance for IIS". Remember to take backups and don't store anything on that PC that you wouldn't like leaking out into the public.
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Re: server
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2014, 09:28:13 am »
If you try to connect from the internet, a computer on the internet will only see your router connected to the internet, the computers in the network are hidden behind the router. Since the router itself doesn't have a web server, you normally won't be able to connect to your web server from outside.

So you have to configure the router to take anything it receives on port 80 and pass it on to the computer inside the local network that you want to be the web server.  This is called "port forwarding" ... on some router configuration pages you can find it under "Virtual Server" or "port forwarding" .. read the descriptions or help pages of your router interface to figure things out.

i did that but it still brings up the router page.
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Re: server
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2014, 10:11:34 am »
Your Question is a bit too general
Yes i know how to setup Servers

I'm a computer Engineer
if you need any help, don't be afraid to email me directly

first thing you need to do is as follows

1. you obviously need to learn Networking Basics - Google it, You Tube it,  Shouldn't take too long
  You Should Understand the following before you proceed

- Basic Networks
- LAN
- WLAN
- PAN
- MAN
- WAN

- Network Topology
- the O.S.I. Model
- computer fundamentals (bits, Bytes etc)
- Conversions from one unit to another, and Orders of Magnitude
- Internet Protocol V4 (IPV4)
- IPv6
- IP Addressing and how it works
- Some Subnetting  (this will depend on the network that the server will support and it will depend on your domains)
- Know what a domain is to begin with
- Understand ROLES in a server and what they are for
- Under SERVICES in a computer and what they do
- Understanding of Virtual Computers
- Understanding of Databases would be helpful
- Understanding of Active Directory would be helpful
- Having some experience with formatting computers and especially formatting Servers and re installing the O/S
- Understanding of Accounts and User Priviledges and Folder Permissions
- BAsic Understanding of Network Security
- Understanding of How Ports Work
- Understanding of DHCP
- Understanding of How to configure your Access Point

i could honestly go on for quiet a bit here.


BUT

2. You need to understand (Before you build and setup the server)
WHAT WILL IT'S PURPOSE BE

What sort of server are you building
Home Server
Fax Server
Print Server
Data Center

What.. they all require Different configurations,
it's not like building a computer, and you just say to someone,
Hey mate i want to install windows, how do i do it
it's not the same thing

this is a completely different kettle of fish

3. What Server Platform are you using
i personally would recommend  (Assuming your using Windows)
Windows Server 2008 R2 (it's pretty good)
if your using Linux
there's  Red Hat, There's SuSe SLED

or you could go with the Apple Server Platform

all this needs to be decided up front before you even buy the hardware

4. How many client computers are you going to have on the network
we need to consider the work load, so you know the system requirements

5. Will you need a database
6. Will you require Sharepoint Server
7. How many simultaneous connections


at least try to answer the above questions

if you feel inundated
drop me a line and i'll help you out as much as i can

but honestly
with all respect

Most of us have put in many many years of training and hard work to get to where we are
so. you can't just pop in and expect us to just give you the answer to everyting and do everything for you without any effort on your part

so, Please
At Least do some research on NEtworking Basics
and at least format and install a computer once and have a crack , by yourself at setting up a Server

don't worry, if you stuff up , you can just reformat and start over (as long as you have nothing critical installed
set up a dummy system and play with it for a week.

let me know if you need any help

take care
thank you for you help.
the server is for a museum display.
I wanted to have one computer with the display files & each touch screen to have a computer of its own connected to the same network so that when you browse to the servers IP address it displays the web page.
I got that all working as a test  on Wi-Fi & LAN & I wandered if it was possible to do it across the internet.
I have windows server 2003,2008 & 2012.
but for this participial test I used  windows 8.1 with iis.
& just to be nosey I wander how you set it up as as an email SMTP server.
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Re: server
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2014, 10:26:24 am »
If you try to connect from the internet, a computer on the internet will only see your router connected to the internet, the computers in the network are hidden behind the router. Since the router itself doesn't have a web server, you normally won't be able to connect to your web server from outside.

So you have to configure the router to take anything it receives on port 80 and pass it on to the computer inside the local network that you want to be the web server.  This is called "port forwarding" ... on some router configuration pages you can find it under "Virtual Server" or "port forwarding" .. read the descriptions or help pages of your router interface to figure things out.

i did that but it still brings up the router page.
http://1drv.ms/1F3cTej
oops i think it works is just that I tried on the server so can you have ago?
http://92.19.31.179
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Re: server
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2014, 01:15:44 pm »
Webpage not available...dynamic IP?
 

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Re: server
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2014, 01:34:01 pm »
Webpage not available...dynamic IP?
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Re: server
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2014, 04:58:35 pm »
Images load dog slow but the site works.
 

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Re: server
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2014, 01:07:51 pm »
Images load dog slow but the site works.
thanks
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