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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1225 on: March 08, 2025, 06:43:11 am »
5% from 1/4W  ::)
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1226 on: March 08, 2025, 07:01:08 am »
5% tolerance on 0 ohms?
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what is the point of this?  just add a wire link or use the cut legs of other through hole resistors.  :-//
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1227 on: March 08, 2025, 09:09:30 am »
Could be 190..210 in there.
 

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« Reply #1228 on: March 08, 2025, 09:44:37 am »
Wonder if they make them in 1%?

I'm more worried about the carbon - graphene or nanotubes perhaps.

Oh yeah, just saw the other replies, 1/4W.
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1229 on: March 08, 2025, 01:19:18 pm »
- a "zero ohm resistor" is not mathematically zero, it means very small, for example 10m\$\Omega\$ or so

- it's convenient to have "zero" ohm resistors, for example to keep the PCB on a single layer, for dirt cheap consumer products.  If a 0\$\Omega\$ is placed on a PCB for no apparent reason (so not as a PCB jumper), that means it is there to desolder it during service then solder them back at the end, so to isolate parts of the schematic without cutting PCB traces.

- pieces of wire instead of 0\$\Omega\$ would work, too, but only for manual assembly.  For automated assembling machines, wire bridges are not a good option.

- the power rating is not bogus, it dictates the maximum allowed current, which is important to know if the 0\$\Omega\$ is used in the paths of a more power hungry circuit.  See a random Zero Ohm Resistors datasheet from YAGEO:  https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3689368.pdf

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1230 on: March 08, 2025, 03:52:04 pm »
Zero ohm resistors sound silly to those unfamiliar with their use.  Reasons for use:
Insertable with automatic equipment.
Can be either smt or tht, depending on board.
Look betting to the purchaser than lead cut-offs.
Nominal “power” ratings correspond to case size.
Nominal tolerances probably from rigid BOM format by bean counter.
 

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« Reply #1231 on: March 08, 2025, 03:53:42 pm »
How many zero ohm resistors are just pieces of wire with a body molded over it to allow the assembly machines to handle them and how many are low value current shunts that failed the tolerance test?
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1232 on: March 08, 2025, 04:35:11 pm »
I submit that all THT zero ohm resistors are the former (wire inside molded package).
Note that they are not expensive components, and low-resistance shunts are often 4-terminal devices.
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1233 on: March 08, 2025, 06:27:55 pm »
5% tolerance on 0 ohms?
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what is the point of this?  just add a wire link or use the cut legs of other through hole resistors.  :-//
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Pick and place machines can deal with a through-hole part, but not a piece of wire.

Where's the problem? 0 ohm Resistors always have a tolerance value. Although I've yet to find one that was 5% lower than zero! :D

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1234 on: March 08, 2025, 09:35:43 pm »
Very funny.
Any zero ohm resistor will have an actual positive value, and therefore will be out of tolerance for any percentage tolerance value.
 
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1235 on: March 09, 2025, 12:58:32 am »
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« Reply #1236 on: March 09, 2025, 01:16:33 am »
It's a rare occurrence but they caught the sun oscillating.  :-DD
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1237 on: March 09, 2025, 01:32:57 am »
It's a rare occurrence but they caught the sun oscillating.  :-DD

I was going to make a different comment - but I like yours much better.  :-+
 
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1238 on: March 09, 2025, 01:37:55 am »
I submit that all THT zero ohm resistors are the former (wire inside molded package).
Note that they are not expensive components, and low-resistance shunts are often 4-terminal devices.
All the 0R links I've seen are some sort of film (metal, obviously). I was interested in this (many) years ago and SFR16 and SFR25 series 0R are the standard axial resistor body with a metal film on it (no spiral trim!). Chip links have a metal film, which looks to be printed and sintered like usual thickfilm stuff, but couldn't say for sure. It was different from the endcap plating.

I was looking at them on Wikipedia a few days ago (trying to identify a symbol on a motherboard schematic) and saw that it says it's wire too, probably can't cite my memory as a reliable source.

I've always been a bit dubious about people putting the entire supply current through them (or ferrite beads), but they seem to be ok. (Talking about tiny SMT ones.)
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1239 on: March 09, 2025, 09:44:36 am »
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SFR16 and SFR25 series 0R are the standard axial resistor body with a metal film on it (no spiral trim!)

That would make sense - no change in manufacturing process so everything is cheap and easy. If they made these with wires or something then they'd have to have a different line just for these.

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a bit dubious about people putting the entire supply current through them

1/4W through 0.01R is 25A - a higher resistance than that probably isn't 0R. I wouldn't risk it, though :)
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1240 on: March 10, 2025, 09:17:49 am »
what is the point of this?  just add a wire link or use the cut legs of other through hole resistors.  :-//

 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1241 on: March 12, 2025, 11:47:58 pm »
2 for 1 Facebook special today.

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1242 on: March 13, 2025, 12:04:37 am »
1. they forgot the "image out" interface (top surface)

2. took me far too long to see!
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1243 on: March 13, 2025, 10:44:32 am »
2. took me far too long to see!

And me!  :)

PS: that first pic is magnificent. Hats off to 'em.
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1244 on: March 13, 2025, 12:55:42 pm »
Me 3!

Q: What part don't you understand?
A: The center part

Keyboard error: Press F1 to continue.
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1245 on: April 09, 2025, 02:33:12 am »
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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1246 on: April 09, 2025, 03:35:23 am »
An extra pin!
I want it!
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1247 on: April 09, 2025, 05:28:46 am »
An extra pin!
I want it!
I think you already have it on the existing ones, since is standard(the 5th pin play roles in OTG).
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1248 on: April 09, 2025, 05:52:37 am »
The picture is of an USB mini-B connector.
 

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Re: Stock Electronic Image FAILS
« Reply #1249 on: April 09, 2025, 08:53:33 am »
Well.... The image is certainly correct in my opinion, if you consider the "bane of my existence" part :D
Mini-B USB is an absolute shit connector. Micro-B is leagues ahead of Mini-B.
 


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