Ashton Forbes Over Unity Challenge

[EEVblog]

With how much money it could make I don't think anyone short of an already established billion $ company could move faster enough to stay ahead.
You might get 4 months of sales before it popped up on Aliexpress and Amazon and their volume outpaced your ability to produce and sell them.

And you think a patent is going to stop that?

Yes, you would win the nobel prize.

Not just the Nobel prize and the money, but infinite global recognition. More valuable than any business profit.

You said it yourself, you can't patent over-unity, no matter how many subject matter experts you get to attest to it.
Your only option is to sell it and win the Nobel prize. Only doing that would they then remove the ban on over-unity patents.
You could attempt to patent some aspect of the manufacturing process that doesn't involve over-unity, but again, that's not really going to stop the cloners if there is a big enough demand for it, which there would be, instant and global. It would be an absolute free-for-all, the greatest tech rush in the history of humanity. You couldn't possibly stop that even if you were able to patent over-unity.

[Electrodynamic]

With how much money it could make I don't think anyone short of an already established billion $ company could move faster enough to stay ahead.
You might get 4 months of sales before it popped up on Aliexpress and Amazon and their volume outpaced your ability to produce and sell them.

And you think a patent is going to stop that?

Yes, you would win the nobel prize.

Not just the Nobel prize and the money, but infinite global recognition. More valuable than any business profit.

You said it yourself, you can't patent over-unity, no matter how many subject matter experts you get to attest to it.
Your only option is to sell it and win the Nobel prize. Only doing that would they then remove the ban on over-unity patents.
You could attempt to patent some aspect of the manufacturing process that doesn't involve over-unity, but again, that's not really going to stop the cloners if there is a big enough demand for it, which there would be, instant and global. It would be an absolute free-for-all, the greatest tech rush in the history of humanity. You couldn't possibly stop that even if you were able to patent over-unity.

My perspective is biased because I don't believe in over unity but it's debatable.

I suspect if someone did get such a device working it wouldn't be very long before they figured out where the energy actually comes from at which point it wouldn't be OU. Similar to the Down Wind Faster than the Wind tech which everyone claimed must be OU but wasn't. I mean if a majority of the smartest people can be fooled by a wind machine with only three moving parts then who knows what's possible.

I also find it kind of weird that people keep calling a device which appears to output more energy than we put in over unity. I mean if we actually believed in the conservation of energy then OU should be the last thing on our mind. When I hear a claim about more energy out than in I don't think it's OU. The only question on my mind is where does the energy come from?.

[Psi]

With how much money it could make I don't think anyone short of an already established billion $ company could move faster enough to stay ahead.
You might get 4 months of sales before it popped up on Aliexpress and Amazon and their volume outpaced your ability to produce and sell them.

And you think a patent is going to stop that?

It wouldn't stop it in the slightest, but if you could get a patent then you could sell it. The patent would be valuable.

You said it yourself, you can't patent over-unity, no matter how many subject matter experts you get to attest to it.
Your only option is to sell it and win the Nobel prize. Only doing that would they then remove the ban on over-unity patents.
You could attempt to patent some aspect of the manufacturing process that doesn't involve over-unity, but again, that's not really going to stop the cloners if there is a big enough demand for it, which there would be, instant and global. It would be an absolute free-for-all, the greatest tech rush in the history of humanity. You couldn't possibly stop that even if you were able to patent over-unity.

Exactly, that's why I think it's funny.
It's so valuable that the discovery itself becomes worthless.
All you can do is live on the reputation and opportunities the recognition created.

[EEVblog]

With how much money it could make I don't think anyone short of an already established billion $ company could move faster enough to stay ahead.
You might get 4 months of sales before it popped up on Aliexpress and Amazon and their volume outpaced your ability to produce and sell them.

And you think a patent is going to stop that?

It wouldn't stop it in the slightest, but if you could get a patent then you could sell it. The patent would be valuable.

Your name would be just as valuable in this hypothetical scenario. A big manufacturing company would WANT to have your now globally famous name attached to THEIR version of the widget, and they would pay handsomely for it.

All you can do is live on the reputation and opportunities the recognition created.

Ashton is THIS close! 

[paul cotter]

In the US patent system there are many "overunity" devices that were granted a patent, one example being Tom Bearden(caution: mental health advisory, don't go there!) and his MEG. Due to complaints by Robert Park this situation was changed with the absolute requirement of a working model. One can actually patent an overunity device, or any other device that is in conflict with the known laws of science, as long as the application is accompanied with a WORKING MODEL. As regards other patent offices, I do not know.

[Psi]

It is my understanding that they reject them outright now as a matter of course. Anything saying free energy/over-unity.
It ties up resources and time and the constant requests to demonstrate a so called 'working model'.

I'm sure if you had enough money/time you could approach them and bypass that if you really had something and had a few recognized scientists under NDA confirming it was real. But it's an automatic rejection for normal submissions saying free energy/over-unit even if you say you can demo it. At least afaik.

[TimFox]

If one held a patent on a physically impossible device, one could enjoin others from selling copies of it.

[Xena E]

If one held a patent on a physically impossible device, one could enjoin others from selling copies of it.

If the device were physically impossible that would in itself prevent duplication and not need the protection of a patent.

[TimFox]

Clarification:  a device that is intended or purports to do impossible things.
Like a windmill made from Tinkertoys^TM.

[temperance]

So what if you invent free energy. Governments will have to find other ways to tax you if an entire industry would evaporate.

[Xena E]

Clarification:  a device that is intended or purports to do impossible things.
Like a windmill made from Tinkertoys^TM.

So perhaps a device like the infinite improbability drive?

Unfortunately the inventor of that, shortly after he was awarded the Galactic Institute's Prize for Extreme Cleverness, was lynched by a rampaging mob of respectable physicists on the grounds that he has became the one thing they couldn't stand most of all: "a smart arse".

Sorry. I just can't take any thread seriously that has the central subject matter being the warped delusions of Ashton Forbes.

[VinzC]

If someone ever does create over unity they're going to have to release the design under an open license because there's no way anyone will believe them until the design is being replicated by everyone and it become impossible to ignore.   

Nope, just sell it.
If people do really get more electrical power out than they put in, that's easy to measure. Even Joe Average could verify that with their electric bill.

My own concern is the will/desire to know fading away and people accepting the lie without verifying becoming the norm (if it ever was otherwise). After all we've been having religions for millennia right...

[paul cotter]

I thought I knew and understood "STOOPID" before I ever heard of Forbes- how wrong I was was! Forbes takes idiocy to previously unreached heights.

[Xena E]

Ashton may be stoopid, but his hissy fits are second to none.