Stellantis push ads in cars

[Gregg]

try driving the old jeep and you'll quickly go get a new one ...

Now is the time to find a reasonably well preserved vehicle (non rust bucket, body on frame) from the pre-malize era and stockpile common parts before they are totally outlawed. Such a vehicle will be going long after 99.9% of the post 2020 vehicles are crushed and will hold its value. 

[coppercone2]

given a 4 man crew,

old jeep : assembled from a crate thrown out of a shot up plane in 5 minutes under fire in the pacific jungle, illuminated by mortar flares, modern price would be ~$16000, built using manual labor (fairly paid)

new jeep : requires 3 men to subdue psychotic mechanic after 5 minutes of disassembly work, in a bright climate controlled facility with 16 snap on chests, built by advanced robotic labor (poorly paid), $40000

try driving the old jeep and you'll quickly go get a new one ...

im not saying that the old one was a great road car or anything, but I think they kinda got a reputation for something they dont do

like mike tysons professional catering. not sure if its a good continuation of his career

[schmitt trigger]

Now is the time to find a reasonably well preserved vehicle (non rust bucket, body on frame) from the pre-malize era and stockpile common parts before they are totally outlawed. Such a vehicle will be going long after 99.9% of the post 2020 vehicles are crushed and will hold its value.

Your post reminded me of the verse in the song Red Barchetta:

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law…

[langwadt]

try driving the old jeep and you'll quickly go get a new one ...

Now is the time to find a reasonably well preserved vehicle (non rust bucket, body on frame) from the pre-malize era and stockpile common parts before they are totally outlawed. Such a vehicle will be going long after 99.9% of the post 2020 vehicles are crushed and will hold its value.

what body on frame car that isn't a stupid truck or SUV, and modern enough to be usable as daily driver, are there ?

[Someone]

try driving the old jeep and you'll quickly go get a new one ...

Now is the time to find a reasonably well preserved vehicle (non rust bucket, body on frame) from the pre-malize era and stockpile common parts before they are totally outlawed. Such a vehicle will be going long after 99.9% of the post 2020 vehicles are crushed and will hold its value.

what body on frame car that isn't a stupid truck or SUV, and modern enough to be usable as daily driver, are there ?

America being a stupid and an isolated/"unique" vehicle market kept that sort of wildly out of date concept around much longer than needed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Panther_platform
The desire/requirement for a body on frame is another misguided/uniformed position, no reason to prefer it except that it overlaps/coincided with other characteristics which are desirable (like relatively thick steel panels that are easy to panel beat or replace by hand).

[bdunham7]

what body on frame car that isn't a stupid truck or SUV, and modern enough to be usable as daily driver, are there ?

Ford Crown Victoria / Lincoln Town Car

If they still were making them, they'd be selling them.

[Analog Kid]

Ford Crown Victoria = cop car.
Or at least they used to. What is law enforcement using these days in the US?

[bdunham7]

Ford Crown Victoria = cop car.
Or at least they used to. What is law enforcement using these days in the US?

The LA Sheriff's Dept bought a large stash of 600 Crown Vics just before they stopped making them in 2011. Apparently they have enough to go for another decade or so before they have to move on.  Other departments are using the Ford Explorer (there's a police version) or Dodge Challengers.

[xrunner]

Other departments are using the Ford Explorer (there's a police version) or Dodge Challengers.

In my Texas city they have Ford Explorers and actually a few police trucks and

... yes really ...

 they have mounted patrols on horses. 

No electronics to fail in those. 

[Analog Kid]

Ford Crown Victoria = cop car.
Or at least they used to. What is law enforcement using these days in the US?

The LA Sheriff's Dept bought a large stash of 600 Crown Vics just before they stopped making them in 2011. Apparently they have enough to go for another decade or so before they have to move on.  Other departments are using the Ford Explorer (there's a police version) or Dodge Challengers.

Wow. That picture makes it look like you could bury all those suckers with just a few earthmovers on that rim above.
if only.

[JPortici]

I've been driving a Peugeot 5008 == Stellantis, for 5 years now.
It's the last Stellantis car i will ever drive, and i decided this already 3 years ago way before i would expect these ads to show up.
Next year i'll have to choose which will be my next car i think, lots of things to consider.
But it will not be Italian nor French and very unlikely American.

It's like they took everything bad from fiat and put it together with everything bad from the french cars (shitty engines, adblue that breaks on its own and won't be fixed by warranty, idiotic GUI in infotainment) and german cars cost twice their worth.
which is really sad, they really want us to get chinese cars

[Haenk]

I will rather take apart the car and disconnect the antenna before I see ads in my car.

How dare you.
In fact, the antenna is part of the now-obligatory EU emergency-call system. If you remove that bit, the car is not road legal anymore.
And that's why my newish Opel is soon to be replaced with (another) 15 year old Toyota/Lexus, from the days when Toyota went for maximum reliability and quality in their manufacturing.

[tszaboo]

I will rather take apart the car and disconnect the antenna before I see ads in my car.

How dare you.
In fact, the antenna is part of the now-obligatory EU emergency-call system. If you remove that bit, the car is not road legal anymore.
And that's why my newish Opel is soon to be replaced with (another) 15 year old Toyota/Lexus, from the days when Toyota went for maximum reliability and quality in their manufacturing.

Fun fact: Car antennas are multi band, and they have separated GPS, 4G and FM connectors. And as I understand the emergency call has its own built in battery and antenna.

And yes there is a time Toyota made super reliable cars because it's hybrid drivetrain had to absolutely succeed.

[MrMobodies]

In fact, the antenna is part of the now-obligatory EU emergency-call system. If you remove that bit, the car is not road legal anymore.

What if he buys a phone to mount and leave in the car and wire it into that antenna?
Wouldn't that comply if it was powered up by the vehicle at all times to be able make those emergency calls?

[thm_w]

In fact, the antenna is part of the now-obligatory EU emergency-call system. If you remove that bit, the car is not road legal anymore.

What if he buys a phone to mount and leave in the car and wire it into that antenna?
Wouldn't that comply if it was powered up by the vehicle at all times to be able make those emergency calls?

Its mandatory for newly built cars, no one is going to check or care if it is not functioning on a privately owned car.
Still dumb to remove a simple safety feature. But as mentioned, probably other ways to turn off 4G or Wifi instead of messing with ecall.

Looks like model 3 has its own dedicated ecall antenna, other cars may or may not be the same, as I see some mentions of antenna switching elsewhere:  https://service.tesla.com/docs/Model3/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-B873101F-FC55-432F-8C0A-32F3EE387862.html https://lagabasen.com/car-parts/oem/1447430-00-B

[Stray Electron]

try driving the old jeep and you'll quickly go get a new one ...

   I own a '53 Willys M-38A1 jeep and a '66 Kaiser CJ-5 jeep and I have absolutely no desire to a own or drive a newer one.   They're JEEPS, not race cars, sports cars, economy cars or grand touring cars. 

[RJSV]

But don't forget,  assumption is,  any of the European regulators aren't likely to simply accept an individual declaration, so you cannot sell the personal modified car.
   They would at least demand some assurances, maybe reasonable .maybe not.

[Haenk]

Its mandatory for newly built cars, no one is going to check or care if it is not functioning on a privately owned car.

I would imagine, removing the ecall might throw an error on the CanBus or even dash - that, at least in Germany - might be a TÜV failure, i.e. you lose your road-worthyness. (I'm not sure how the ecall module behaves/is integrated - but as it is mandatory, i'm pretty sure it throws an error...)

[Karel]

Stellantis = Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler and Ram. That should tell you everything you need to know before you buy one of their vehicles.

Stellantis designs, manufactures, and sells automobiles bearing its 14 brands:

Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram Trucks, and Vauxhall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis?useskin=vector

[schmitt trigger]

All of which were, at one time, quirky yet iconic vehicles from their countries of origin, and nowadays are bland, unrefined and unreliable vehicles.

[RJSV]

 Latest in my in box:
   An advertisement TEXT,  from United Airlines,  regarding obtaining an APP,  android or Apple app,  with perks offered, like free alcohol in flight.  (Course I wonder where they bought my number.)

   Hmmm;  last time I boarded and airplane was ONCE,  2021.  (I'm really a home-stuck camper).
Before that:
   May 2000.  But doesn't hurt to advertise.

BTW:
   Local Pizza place bugging me now, also.

I WANT that money...paid to obtain my private phone number!
    (Maybe, lol,  I should ask United Airlines:
   "Can I get a share, of that cash you paid out,  to violate my evening peace ?"
That seemingly with attitude that others aren't respecting, so...what happens with privacy has been happening.

Aggravation for sale,  contact Rick-Jack for details...

[iampeteandrews]

Now is the time to find a reasonably well preserved vehicle (non rust bucket, body on frame) from the pre-malize era and stockpile common parts before they are totally outlawed. Such a vehicle will be going long after 99.9% of the post 2020 vehicles are crushed and will hold its value.

Your post reminded me of the verse in the song Red Barchetta:

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law…

great song!

-pete

[themadhippy]

great song!

but only to be played if on your way to the cinema on december 21^st

[tszaboo]

Stellantis = Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler and Ram. That should tell you everything you need to know before you buy one of their vehicles.

Stellantis designs, manufactures, and sells automobiles bearing its 14 brands:

Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram Trucks, and Vauxhall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis?useskin=vector

Just read an article, these brands are selling 18% less cars in the EU than last year. I guess you can only go so long with quality problems.

[schmitt trigger]

Just read an article, these brands are selling 18% less cars in the EU than last year. I guess you can only go so long with quality problems.

What would be interesting to compare is against the overall EU market conditions.

For instance, if the market also dropped by 18%, well that could be a valid reason.
However if the market conditions remained the same or improved, then this is a big pile of Scheiße.