Cold Heat from Canada, a documentary.

[NE666]

So let me get this straight, a foreign fighter jet entering our air space is an imminent threat and act of war. However much more advanced foreign craft routinely entering our air space is just little green men.

"Knowing humans as thou dost, Captain, wouldst thou be captured helpless by them?"

As for the LGM, as is commonly argued if they have this level of technology and we're not already enslaved or dead, then we're probably all good and there's nowt to worry about.

[Electrodynamic]

Xena E

No we don't have proof that these craft exist,  that's all in your mind, there have been some sightings, blurry photography, and radar hits, of some phenomenon. What they are isn't proven, those that have been proven are no longer any interest to the sensationalism of popular culture. Sane people however don't give a shit about any of it because they don't worry about things they can't change.

I think this is called the moving the goal posts fallacy. First the critics claimed there is no proof then when thermal imaging by a credible source was shown they claim that's not real proof. To be clear, we do have proof the objects do exist what we don't know is what they are or where they came from.

Why would we believe that the US military is a credible source? Firstly if they have a new generation of stealth aircraft flying about they're not telling you! The only things they will tell you are the 'low threat unexplained' category. It is in the interest though to give the taxpayers a reason to be fearful to justify their own existence, "we got your back Jack".

So your claiming it's a conspiracy then?. let me guess, everyone else is lying and only you can be trusted, lol.

This reminds me of the ball lightning fiasco where many claimed it doesn't exist or was imagined. As we can clearly see in the video below it does exist and in this case was bigger than the average house. Also interesting that ball lightning was observed by countless people over centuries who were dismissed as quacks. I suspect were going to see many new things now that everyone has a high definition camera in their phone.


What is ball lightning? Rare weather phenomenon caught on camera in Alberta

[SteveThackery]

Xena E

No we don't have proof that these craft exist,  that's all in your mind, there have been some sightings, blurry photography, and radar hits, of some phenomenon. What they are isn't proven, those that have been proven are no longer any interest to the sensationalism of popular culture. Sane people however don't give a shit about any of it because they don't worry about things they can't change.

I think this is called the moving the goal posts fallacy. First the critics claimed there is no proof then when thermal imaging by a credible source was shown they claim that's not real proof. To be clear, we do have proof the objects do exist what we don't know is what they are or where they came from.

I don't think we have "proof" in a scientific context. What we have is "evidence", or maybe even "compelling evidence". Thermal imaging is no more reliable than light imaging: both deliver you images, and those images constitute evidence. Recording congruent data from two data sources provides corroboration, which is definitely a step towards proof. It's still possible that they are some kind of artefact from the sensors or the complex image processing electronics and software. I think "proof" would require more than that; some measure of repeatability, probably, and I'd want to see a lot more information about how they are excluding those possibilities.

Having said that, I am of the opinion that this phenomenon is more than mere artefacts, and I find the whole thing exciting and fascinating. It's also remarkable that UAPs have been reported for centuries, including displaying apparently non-Newtonian behavior, which undermines the case for advanced military technology. Obviously it could be a mix of military technology AND something else.

[NE666]

This reminds me of the ball lightning fiasco where many claimed it doesn't exist or was imagined. As we can clearly see in the video below it does exist and in this case was bigger than the average house. Also interesting that ball lightning was observed by countless people over centuries who were dismissed as quacks.

Now go look a bit closer into it.

Firstly, to those who have seen it first hand or via other videos, it very much has the appearance of arcing on powerlines / distribution equipment. And yes, those arcs can travel along those lines. Imagine what such an arc might look like at a distance - not much different, if at all, from what is shown in that video. And power line incidents - who would have thought they might coincide with a lighting storm??

Secondly, go look at the accounts of other locals who've said that indeed, based on the known location of that clip (Rich Valley, Alberta), there are indeed high voltage power lines exactly where that event is supposed to have occurred, just 1km away, and the footage is taken from a point facing in that direction.
 
So, no. I don't think this is 'proven' by any reasonable measure to have been a ball lightening incident.

[paul cotter]

Ball lightening is real but again we have no idea what causes it or it's mechanism. It has been said that there is as many theories to explain it as the number of sightings.

[NE666]

https://youtu.be/cWsZYrwBLXM?t=625

Checkout time index 10:25 onwards. It's far from clear that this event HAD to be ball lightening, and only that.

[paul cotter]

I have never seen ball lightening but I have seen necklace lightening which is a similar but very transitory phenomenon(I think!). About 40years ago I saw television coverage of a sporting event when a lightning strike near some power lines triggered a dazzling ball of fire sitting on top of a three phase pole mounted transformer lasting several seconds.

[paul cotter]

NE666, I generally skip all videos but I looked at your one and I agree that could be anything.

[NE666]

That's the point I was hoping to impress - what was captured in that video could be many things, including ball lightening.

I take exception to claims of 'proofs', when it is patently clear that there are other highly plausible and more likely explanations which are being blindsided, purposefully or otherwise, to satisfy personal biases.

[Electrodynamic]

On the ball lightning video, I grabbed a frame of the video below to clarify what it is were actually talking about.

Note the details here, we can see the ball lightning illuminating the ground directly below it so the odds this is a camera artifact are near zero. If this was a camera artifact we might expect to see a halo around the object but we do not only under the object. Look at the distance to the trees on the right and behind the object. This thing is at least a half mile out by my estimate and based on this distance an AI analyzed the frame and estimated it to be 10m in diameter. We can also see the object moving from left to right and the ground illumination moving with it.

Here is a better video, https://globalnews.ca/news/11272805/alberta-storm-lightning-ball-video-july/

Note in this video they show the ball lightning collapsing around 00:33 minutes. When the object collapses the plasma fragments into three distinct smaller balls before completely collapsing. Very much unlike a camera artifact and this is one of the most commonly reported effects in ball‑lightning. This supports the idea that this was a plasma instability event, not a reflection or artifact. Camera artifacts do not break up into multiple independent luminous nodes that behave differently like a plasma does. Note, the ground illumination below the event corresponds to the change in energy. Ergo, it is completely in line with the science we already know. Granted, it is much larger than normal however the effects are similar.

I like the comment "it could be anything" which begs the question like what exactly?. I mean a giant ball of fucking plasma floating in some farmers field could be similar to what exactly?.

[Chet]

Ball lightening is real but again we have no idea what causes it or it's mechanism. It has been said that there is as many theories to explain it as the number of sightings.

toroidal plasmas: plasmoids

[Xena E]

Xena E

No we don't have proof that these craft exist,  that's all in your mind, there have been some sightings, blurry photography, and radar hits, of some phenomenon. What they are isn't proven, those that have been proven are no longer any interest to the sensationalism of popular culture. Sane people however don't give a shit about any of it because they don't worry about things they can't change.

I think this is called the moving the goal posts fallacy. First the critics claimed there is no proof then when thermal imaging by a credible source was shown they claim that's not real proof. To be clear, we do have proof the objects do exist what we don't know is what they are or where they came from.

Why would we believe that the US military is a credible source? Firstly if they have a new generation of stealth aircraft flying about they're not telling you! The only things they will tell you are the 'low threat unexplained' category. It is in the interest though to give the taxpayers a reason to be fearful to justify their own existence, "we got your back Jack".

So your claiming it's a conspiracy then?. let me guess, everyone else is lying and only you can be trusted, lol.

This reminds me of the ball lightning fiasco where many claimed it doesn't exist or was imagined. As we can clearly see in the video below it does exist and in this case was bigger than the average house. Also interesting that ball lightning was observed by countless people over centuries who were dismissed as quacks. I suspect were going to see many new things now that everyone has a high definition camera in their phone.


What is ball lightning? Rare weather phenomenon caught on camera in Alberta

You are the one making the claim that these things are "craft" and what they are so it is you now making  straw man arguments.

You claimed "proof" and then said what the phenomena is, without proof, that is the only thing I am effectively criticising.
I'm not making any claims so I'm not putting myself up as any kind of expert except that I recognise a fantasist when I read your posts.

I have no doubt that a lot of "sightings" are genuine, it's just the human imagination that then reports falsehood, assumptions make an ass out of U and me.

It could be craft, it could be ball lightning, it could be .... whatever could be detected in the methods that are used.

I have seen a phenomena like ball lightning sitting on the end of a radio transmitter antenna that dispersed in a very curious way, but I'm not going to say something like "imo it was a secret military experment" and get myself upset when someone questions it.

"It could be anything" with the caveat that it is something with that physical presentation.

(I do know what that is and how formed so don't bother OK?)

"Conspiracy"
There is no conspiracy, it's the military mindset, I have worked with them, it's the MO, like any organisation it's prime motivation is self preservation, trust no-one, act first, ask questions later... indivuals within the military who are good at quickly reading situations for best advantage are the ones that get promoted...

[Xena E]

Ball lightening is real but again we have no idea what causes it or it's mechanism. It has been said that there is as many theories to explain it as the number of sightings.

toroidal plasmas: plasmoids

 

[SteveThackery]

When the object collapses the plasma fragments into three distinct smaller balls before completely collapsing.

PLASMA WARNING! @Electrodynamic has done it again: assumed without proof that the ball is plasma.

We cannot and must not do that. We do not yet know what it is. But much more importantly, there is no known mechanism by which "plasma" can sustain itself over that period of time.

@Electrodynamic - if you want your opinions to be respected you need to stop stating opinions as facts.

[SteveThackery]

Please can we all revert to the proper spelling?

LIGHTNING, not LIGHTENING.

[paul cotter]

Sorry Steve, I don't know how that happened as I do know the correct spelling. Then the error was repeated again and again! LIGHTENING is what someone might do to bleach their hair. PS; no one else noticed it until you did!

[NE666]

Sorry Steve, I think I started that. Won't happen again.

[NE666]

When the object collapses the plasma fragments into three distinct smaller balls before completely collapsing.

Want to know what I see when I view in slo-mo?

1) The 'sphere' collapses to, very briefly, reveal a typical powerline electrical arc shape - a 'snake'
2) Right at the very end, there are indeed three bright spots, very, very briefly. THREE

Know what else comes in three's? The line conductors, in your run-of-the mill overhead polyphasic AC distribution line system.

I like the comment "it could be anything" which begs the question like what exactly?. I mean a giant ball of fucking plasma floating in some farmers field could be similar to what exactly?.

Exactly what I told you above. And others have said in their online analysis. The visual similarities are unmistakable, if you're being objective. As an explanation, it hasn't (at least to my knowledge) been discredited as a possible cause. No one seems to have definitively identified the location and gone out there to check whether it does coincide with overhead lines. Until / unless someone does, it's a perfectly viable explanation and very much more likely.

[Xena E]

Please can we all revert to the proper spelling?

LIGHTNING, not LIGHTENING.

Standing in for Analog kid are we Steve?
Forklift useless autocorrect/third language/dyslexia... pick your favourite excuse... 😁

[paul cotter]

Xena, I was at fault and I have no problem being corrected, in fact I expect it. As humans we are all prone to error and my spelling is definitely deteriorating with age.

[SteveThackery]

OK, OK! I'm feeling guilty now for mentioning it. 😂😂

[Xena E]

OK, OK! I'm feeling guilty now for mentioning it. 😂😂

No need, we understand. you're not putting us down, you're trying to raise us up. (Someone needs to)...

☺️

[Xena E]

Xena, I was at fault and I have no problem being corrected, in fact I expect it. As humans we are all prone to error and my spelling is definitely deteriorating with age.

I was so ashamed I snuck back and edited 😳

Age is nought but a number I don't feel a day over ninety myself.

[paul cotter]

I stopped celebrating birthdays ~10years ago(seriously). Since I don't have any further birthdays I confidently expect my age will no longer increment. For the loss of one day's celebration the payback is exceptional.

[Xena E]

I stopped celebrating birthdays ~10years ago(seriously). Since I don't have any further birthdays I confidently expect my age will no longer increment. For the loss of one day's celebration the payback is exceptional.

Yeah. I'm really 21 now, this year unfortunately for me so is my daughter .