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Offline Kjelt

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2017, 09:37:59 pm »
Enough said, I would't trust the americans (Haarlem -> Harlem) nor the ausies (van Diemensland -> Tasmania) with correctly pronouncing Dutch words. And I thought this was an electronics forum  :-DD

 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2017, 09:40:59 pm »
Very true...

Anybody who can not pronounce "G" the way the Dutch do it should not get involved in a discussion involving Esperanto expertise.
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2023, 05:34:45 pm »
Are we disrespecting Alessandro Volta because we don't refer to units of electrical potential as "voltas" in an 18th century Italian accent? Are we disrespecting Michael Faraday because we don't refer to units of capacitance as "Faradays" in a 19th century English accent? (it would be something more like "fah-wuh-day" than the American "fair-a-day"). Lots of physical units and technical terms in science are named after dead people, and we pronounce virtually all of the names "wrong" or modify them.

Wanting to respect how the guy pronounced his own name is virtuous. But when names get repurposed as technical terms, they are no longer really functioning as a person's name anymore. They become something... else.. and it's unlikely that we even truly know what the original accent sounded like.

Ultimately I don't think it's disrespectful or wrong if the person's name is modified or pronounced differently as it gets used as technical jargon. The person is still honored insofar as their name is the "linguistic root".

With "Bode" we haven't reached a linguistic consensus comparable to "volt" or "farad", etc. Practically speaking, if you pronounce Bode so that it ryhmes with "code" or "mode", people will probably understand what you mean. If you say it like "Boh-dee" that will also probably be understood. Other pronunciations than those are less common and less likely to be understood.



 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2023, 06:44:45 pm »
By the way, there is a unit called the "Faraday".
It is defined as the charge in a mole of electrons, i.e. 6 x 1023 times the electron charge, approximately 96,500 Coulombs.
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2023, 08:51:37 pm »
Nice.   I thought about this thread the other day when I was looking into some SMPS stability analysis.

I've been saying "boh-dah" since I made this thread in 2017.

Here is another reason to go with "boh-dah".  Right now there are a handful of ways engineers say it, but there is only one way, the guy's actual name pronunciation "boh-dah", that has any rational.  All the others ("bowd", "bo-dee", etc) are only justified with "because I say so!", or "we have more people saying it this way than you do!". 

So unless we all like doing the "I need a "bo-dee", "bowd", whatever phasey-gainy plot thingy, you know what I mean, ya that.." dance, or the "My way is better because there are more of us and we say so!", we can actually standardize on the only objectively justifiable pronunciation, and respect the dude at the same time. 

(....that should get everyone riled up again... )
« Last Edit: March 17, 2023, 08:53:08 pm by Smokey »
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2023, 09:56:15 pm »
Since he was born american you do what you want.
Still might be interesting to know his last name original in dutch is a profession.
A bode is a messenger. We still have postbodes which are postmen delivering mail which is also delivering a message but by post.
En that is pronounced "boduh" type it in google translate in dutch and press the speaker, the short female version is how we pronounce it.
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2023, 10:21:10 pm »
Nice.   I thought about this thread the other day when I was looking into some SMPS stability analysis.

I've been saying "boh-dah" since I made this thread in 2017.

Good for you, just don't expect this kind of pointless hand wringing to modify the way the vast majority of engineer pronounce it.
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2023, 10:31:41 pm »
Nice.   I thought about this thread the other day when I was looking into some SMPS stability analysis.

I've been saying "boh-dah" since I made this thread in 2017.

Good for you, just don't expect this kind of pointless hand wringing to modify the way the vast majority of engineer pronounce it.

I don't.  They can all continue to be wrong :)
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2023, 10:44:00 pm »
Nice.   I thought about this thread the other day when I was looking into some SMPS stability analysis.

I've been saying "boh-dah" since I made this thread in 2017.

Good for you, just don't expect this kind of pointless hand wringing to modify the way the vast majority of engineer pronounce it.

I think the wast majority of languages except English would pronounce the name Bode in a similar way to "Boh-dah" (if we must use an English phonetic transcription). So you probably mean the vast majority of English speaking engineers here.

For an international audience, it's not so productive to use English letters and spelling to describe how to pronounce an uncommon word or a sound, because you will get as many variations of pronunciation as there are languages out there. Non-native English speakers have a very hard time pronouncing words in the numerous descriptive ways English speakers try to use their written language in when trying to express a sound in writing.

The best way is to use the international phonetic alphabet. This is a bit hard, because it's not easy to write and people have to look up the pronunciation, unless they are already familiar with it. The next best way would be to use a simplified Latin script. If you know how to pronounce Latin letters (plus maybe a few more), you will be able to pronounce most of the Germanic written languages (and a few other) and get the pronunciation to such a level that much of it will be understandable to a speaker of the language (even if you don't understand the language yourself; it will sound a bit strange to a native speaker though). This includes Italian, German, Spanish, Norwegian, even Finnish and to lesser extent Swedish, Dutch and Danish (I'm sure there are many other; e.g. Welsh is also pretty much phonetically written). But English and French are lost causes. For them correlation between written language and spoken language will soon be like Chinese, sorry!
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2023, 10:54:41 pm »
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The best way is to use the international phonetic alphabet.
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Ok, so what does "Boh-dah" look like in the international phonetic alphabet?
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2023, 10:58:41 pm »
Q:  How does one pronounce the name of the country where the last World Cup was held?
A:  Incorrectly.
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2023, 11:22:23 pm »

Ok, so what does "Boh-dah" look like in the international phonetic alphabet?

For this particular name Bode, it would be [bodə], [boːdə] or [boʊdə], depending on language. The first one would be a pretty easy and good approximation.

If you want to know roughly how it sounds, I think google translate doesn't do it too badly (press the speaker symbol to listen):

[bodə] or [boːdə] pretty much https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&text=Bode&op=translate

[boʊdə] would be about https://translate.google.com/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=Bode&op=translate
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2023, 11:35:42 pm »
Nice.   I thought about this thread the other day when I was looking into some SMPS stability analysis.

I've been saying "boh-dah" since I made this thread in 2017.

Good for you, just don't expect this kind of pointless hand wringing to modify the way the vast majority of engineer pronounce it.
I don't.  They can all continue to be wrong :)

Sodder  :-DD
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2023, 01:13:44 am »
Nice.   I thought about this thread the other day when I was looking into some SMPS stability analysis.

I've been saying "boh-dah" since I made this thread in 2017.

Good for you, just don't expect this kind of pointless hand wringing to modify the way the vast majority of engineer pronounce it.
I don't.  They can all continue to be wrong :)

Sodder  :-DD

Named after William Henry Solder in 1852.  He made the discovery while installing sheets of pre-cut grass in his yard.  But everyone just called him by his nickname, "Flux"
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2023, 01:18:20 am »
Q:  How does one pronounce the name of the country where the last World Cup was held?
A:  Incorrectly.

Those are the guys that make those killer keyboard instruments, right?
 

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Re: Bode Plots come from Hendrik Bode... Whose name is pronounced.......
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2023, 05:38:37 am »
Snooties like to pronounce "Moët" in "Moët & Chandon" (the wine company) as "Mow-ay", but when SWMBO & I visited the Oz subsidiary the person conducting us through the winery pointed out that the pronunciation was actually "mo-et", because the original M. Moët pronounced it that way.

From Wiki:-
"Moët is pronounced with a "t" at the end (IPA: [mɔɛt]) ('mo-et') as the French-born founder's surname is of Dutch origin."
 


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