Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS

[Karel]

Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS, but users simply hate the idea

https://www.techspot.com/news/110225-microsoft-windows-becoming-agentic-os-but-users-simply.html

Only 2 industries call their customers "users": illegal drugs and software.

 

[coromonadalix]

do we really need to have theses news put here  .......

[Analog Kid]

Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS, but users simply hate the idea

https://www.techspot.com/news/110225-microsoft-windows-becoming-agentic-os-but-users-simply.html

Only 2 industries call their customers "users": illegal drugs and software.

 

You managed to post your "link" as an email link instead ...

[Analog Kid]

Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS, but users simply hate the idea

https://www.techspot.com/news/110225-microsoft-windows-becoming-agentic-os-but-users-simply.html

So pardon my ignorance, but I must be behind the times here:
Does "agentic" mean ""AI"-centered"? That term isn't familiar to me at all.

[Karel]

You managed to post your "link" as an email link instead ...

Oops... fixed that 

[DimitriP]

do we really need to have theses news put here  .......

Not really.
 It's kinda depressing and annoying to propagate the hot air that comes out of overpaid, overtitled microsoft mouthpieces.

[Analog Kid]

do we really need to have theses news put here  .......

Not really.
 It's kinda depressing and annoying to propagate the hot air that comes out of overpaid, overtitled microsoft mouthpieces.

Yes, but to me that's missing the real point here, which is the pushback against all this misbegotten marketing-and-financial-propelled bullshit that's pushing all of us over the "AI" cliff. That's what I want to read about.

[radiolistener]

The mice were crying and hurting themselves, yet they kept eating the cactus anyway. 

[DimitriP]

The mice were crying and hurting themselves, yet they kept eating the cactus anyway. 

You need a good breathing mask to handle the smoke and a good pair of sunglasses to handle the reflections from the mirrors!
Here is what W11 , W10 or at least current version numbers look like: 

 

[JPortici]

https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/11/18/windows-11-to-add-an-ai-agent-that-runs-in-background-with-access-to-personal-folders-warns-of-security-risk/

[madires]

Or in other words: your windows PC becomes an LLM terminal with access to your data.

Thank you for providing your data to train our LLM which might accidentally tell others about your secrets.

[JPortici]

Or in other words: your windows PC becomes an LLM terminal with access to your data.

Thank you for providing your data to train our LLM which might accidentally tell others about your secrets.

but they would never share your data!

[Karel]

Microsoft's new gaming anti-cheat could ping your PC to the cloud every time you boot

https://www.techspot.com/news/110293-microsoft-new-gaming-anti-cheat-strategy-could-ping.html

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/attestation/overview

Why on earth would anybody trust microsoft if they don't trust you? 

[radiolistener]

Or in other words: your windows PC becomes an LLM terminal with access to your data.

Thank you for providing your data to train our LLM which might accidentally tell others about your secrets.

According to the new rules, private data stops being private if you use it without an explicit ID.
So if your OS shares your secrets after erasing your name, well… it’s no longer a secret! 

[artag]

Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS, but users simply hate the idea

They're American and can't spell. The word they're looking for is 'geriatric'.

[shapirus]

not sure why anyone would still agree to use this steaming heap of crap nowadays. apparently lots of folks simply don't possess enough brains to care.

[Karel]

not sure why anyone would still agree to use this steaming heap of crap nowadays. apparently lots of folks simply don't possess enough brains to care.

No need to insult anybody. Most people use windows because they are forced to use it. Not because they want to use it.

[Analog Kid]

not sure why anyone would still agree to use this steaming heap of crap nowadays. apparently lots of folks simply don't possess enough brains to care.

No need to insult anybody. Most people use windows because they are forced to use it. Not because they want to use it.

Again, not true.

[JPortici]

not sure why anyone would still agree to use this steaming heap of crap nowadays. apparently lots of folks simply don't possess enough brains to care.

No need to insult anybody. Most people use windows because they are forced to use it. Not because they want to use it.

Also inertia and lazyness. Usually those who don't want windows get a mac because pcs come preinstalled with windows, and macs don't.
PCs coming with linux preinstalled are still a teeny tiny fraction, because companies don't make them. Either small, specialized companies such as system 76 or mainstream companies, but only on high end laptops aimed at professionals (who'd be able to install linux on their own, but go with a preinstalled because i don't know, company policy?)

[chilternview]

No need to insult anybody. Most people use windows because they are forced to use it. Not because they want to use it.

Not true. Use the OS that supports the application you want to run best.

For example, I use Mac (x86 and arm64) and Windows 10/11 most. Because the apps I want to run, run on them. C++ code using Visual C++ simply because it has the best debugger out there. Mac because it just works, period.
I also use Linux to create executables for those platforms (Suse, Mint, Ubuntu, CentOS) that I support but this is under a VMware virtual machine running on a hefty Windows server. And every time I need to update a linux version, I have to spend a couple of days compiling Qt, figuring out what shared libs I need to download, making sure I can share files (this is of course a vmware issue but I have no problem sharing files between Mac and Windows). Oh and OpenGL support for anything other than Windows can be tricky.

[paulca]

We are screwed either way now.  The chips have been placed and the wheel is spinning.

1.  AI takes off, the money circle jerk works out and everything we come near is AI-powered.  Some rich people get richer.  We burn 10 times more electric making climate action 10 times harder.
2. The far more likely.  AI bubble bursts.  The circle jerk financing explodes and the entire stock market tanks with defaulted debts and bailouts similar or worse than 2007/8.

Either way, it's WE who will suffer it.  Those who bet the country and the kitchen sink on the hype will accountant and lawyer their way out of it as always and retire.

[paulca]

Not true. Use the OS that supports the application you want to run best.

Let me fix that for you.

Use the OSes that support the applications you want to run best.

For me the "Daily" is a Linux miniPC.  Previously I had just used Win10 for the daily, got sick of it.  Also reinstalled the bedroom/livingroom media centres with Kbuntu.

That leaves me with Windows10 only for gaming.  Even there I am considering Linux and Steam/Proton which works for many games now.

Video editing, which I do rarely, might still be Windows10.

[paulca]

Just got an email in work.  Someone who just came back from a Microsoft conference.

His "Core tech highlights" are a list summarised as:

New and more invasive ways to observe, spy, record and track users to find out how they work.
Dev tools for CoPilot and "AI Agents" APIs/IDEs "Foundary".

So they no longer need to ask for users "Opinions" or "Wants" they will just watch you use your computer and have the AI decide how they can help you.

[JPortici]

Just got an email in work.  Someone who just came back from a Microsoft conference.

His "Core tech highlights" are a list summarised as:

New and more invasive ways to observe, spy, record and track users to find out how they work.
Dev tools for CoPilot and "AI Agents" APIs/IDEs "Foundary".

So they no longer need to ask for users "Opinions" or "Wants" they will just watch you use your computer and have the AI decide how they can help you.

Did they say if all the bullshit can be stopped via policies for business users?

[paulca]

Just got an email in work.  Someone who just came back from a Microsoft conference.

His "Core tech highlights" are a list summarised as:

New and more invasive ways to observe, spy, record and track users to find out how they work.
Dev tools for CoPilot and "AI Agents" APIs/IDEs "Foundary".

So they no longer need to ask for users "Opinions" or "Wants" they will just watch you use your computer and have the AI decide how they can help you.

Did they say if all the bullshit can be stopped via policies for business users?

When pushed the BS they always come back with is that "All our data is protected and private under the enterprise service agreement."

However, when I then gently push, "Did you read any of it?", the answer is clearly no.

The relevant policies are not "1 A4 page".  They are a tree of nested legalese documents and policies that cross reference each other.  There are also many different agreements applied at anyone time.  For example.  While the company data is protected in many ways and only "collected or shared" under policy clauses with limitations.... the "User interaction" with microsoft products is covered under a separate agreement.  This agreement is the agreement you "Accept" when "you" the "end user" uses the software the first time.  That "Do you agree to the t&c and policies, blah, blah, blah" you click "Accept" on is that agreement.  So, the short is, "No, your user interactions and your personal data are NOT covered under the enterprise agreements."

The test case I always wanted to throw down was, "What if I say Reject?"  What if I refuse to accept M$ policies and T&C that relate to me as an individual and not as an employee.  Can my work sack me?

Unconfirmed, but I have heard that the US AI companies are under direct orders from the government to keep a record of all AI chats for a period of time and to make them available for law enforcement purposes.

Now some of my work involves government work.  Yet the company AI priests continually harass us to "Go ahead and use AI in your work!" while the customer has said, "NO AI PERIOD!".  Think about it.  Government X uses "US" AI tools.  The US companies record it all.  The US State department demands to access all records.  Obviously this is a bit of a problem, no?

Data governance is not the strongest in my company lets say, it's a bit lax.