EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[EEVblog]

Hilarious stuff!

[EEVblog]

Wow, did Ali Roohparvar just dox one of their contributors?

[Marcel_X]

Ali is really getting upset now...

[EEVblog]

I can't believe Bob is letting Ali comment on like this

[EEVblog]

More technical details.
Given that they designed this new higher current IC back in July, that was before/during the IGG campaign, yet they didn't bother to inform that backers that:
a) They were using a now admittedly pre-production prototype
and
b) A new IC was in the works, and therefore that is a potentially big and substantial risk to the project timeline, they did not inform backers about. They in fact lied on their project timeline diagram as has been posted here and is still currently displayed on their campaign page.

And also, why did they bother FCC and UL testing the pre-production prototype chip?

[onlooker]

Strange twist from Ali's talk: what threats was he talking about?  Is  his talking "I will find out... where they live.." itself a threat to those who have negative opinions about their products?   

[FrankBuss]

Strange twist from Ali's talk: what threats was he talking about?  Is  his talking "I will find out... where they live.." itself a threat to those who have negative opinions about their products?   

I guess for him it is a threat if you criticize the product, and some people react with violence if they run out of arguments.

[SpidersWeb]

From their facebook page...

I read that post this morning, but went back just now and it's been removed?!

[Brumby]

Genuine people address such pressure with acknowledgement and a professional response.

... like that is happening.

Seems we have well and truly entered the "Managing Expectations" zone - and there are not a lot of positives that can be said about how that is being managed.

[SpidersWeb]

lol @  "Don’t be fooled by thirsty journalists and full time bloggers."
Those pesky kids with their maths and their science.

[EEVblog]

Strange twist from Ali's talk: what threats was he talking about?  Is  his talking "I will find out... where they live.." itself a threat to those who have negative opinions about their products?   

I guess for him it is a threat if you criticize the product, and some people react with violence if they run out of arguments.

It's this.
No one is threatening Batteriser in any way. Technical people are just criticising the product and their extraordinary claims.
Ali is doing great harm to the company image the way he is handling this.

[ez24]

lol @  "Don’t be fooled by thirsty journalists and full time bloggers."
Those pesky kids with their maths and their science.

SpidersWeb  -->  just curious - do you like spiders?  I do        I wonder if it is possible to change user name? 

There is a topic on glues that got onto spiders so I do not feel bad about asking this here 

[EEVblog]

lol @  "Don’t be fooled by thirsty journalists and full time bloggers."
Those pesky kids with their maths and their science.

 


It's interesting to note that I don't think I've ever used the word scam. In fact I have been very generous and conceding toward Batteriser given the clearly demonstrable nature of their silly claims.
If I was a thirsty full time blogger just after views, I could go to town on Batteriser with half a dozen more videos that would get hundreds of thousands of views. But that's not why I do it, hence why I stopped making Batteriser videos, even though they are easy fodder for ridicule.

[Godzil]

That's beautiful, how to destroy your public image in 1 lesson and less than 5 minutes...

[EEVblog]

That's beautiful, how to destroy your public image in 1 lesson and less than 5 minutes...

Their public image is already in ruins, almost all by their own hand and that of their agents like Ali and the Batteroo Youtube channel kid.
And as far as their reputation in the technical community goes, they are nothing short of the laughing stock of the industry.
Almost everyone I meet jokes about Batteriser, and even top companies involved in the battery business have expressed to me continual facepalms at the Batteriser claims and their videos.

[drussell]

"for the new year" doesn't that imply this year? It does to me anyway...

To me, that wording says "we'll ship in the new year" so I certainly wouldn't be expecting them until sometime into 2016.  That phrasing gives them all of 2016 to ship them before it becomes another lie.  They're very careful with their wording. 

I can't believe Bob is letting Ali comment on like this

Yeah, his comment style sure has the same kind of immature tone as the YouTube Batteroo Fan Page kid.  Is this the same guy?

[rx8pilot]

The response is similar to when the "Windows Service" scammer called me. I played with him for a bit and then called his scam. He immediately became angry and his response was similarly teenager in tone.

There is no company or product here so there is no way to damage the company. The scam is losing power before the launch sequence.

Ugly.

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[Wytnucls]

So far, there is no evidence that any IC is produced in-house by Batteroo.
Their claim that the original 1.5MHz IC could deliver 500mA efficiently at 1.5V, from within the restricted space available on top of a AA/AAA battery, already pushes the bounds of credulity, when it is compared to the best available DC to DC converters, especially designed for battery applications.
The recent announcement of an improved IC, producing an output of 1.3A, engineered and tested over a period of four months, borders on the ridiculous. 

[SL4P]

I reckon Ali should run this conversation past his mum before making statements in public...  Bob or whomever should be worried about 'relationships' within the family?

:::
-- and of course, I can understand the 1.3A operating current rating (ha?), but I wonder what magic they pulled to draw 4 Amps when idle.  Perhaps switch the stainless sleeve across the battery to turn off the output (that'll work).


-- and the 500mA units were ready over the summer... but they never made ANY promotional videos or demonstrations of it working?  sigh

They could dismiss it as one BIG typo - just like the whole campaign... (?!)

[Wytnucls]

New companies with a wonder product and family members in key positions don't inspire confidence. Ask the Madoff investors.

[SpidersWeb]

Something else that's probably already been discussed, but I only noticed today - a lot of their marketing shots shows it being used in computer devices and showing 100% capacity - this could actually be VERY annoying for the end user, because it'll sit at 100% for a long time then suddenly drop making the gauge practically useless. It may even excite end users enough to post positive feedback, long before they've discovered minimal differences in longevity.

SpidersWeb  -->  just curious - do you like spiders?  I do        I wonder if it is possible to change user name? 
There is a topic on glues that got onto spiders so I do not feel bad about asking this here 

haha, I appreciate them but it's not a personally hobby. I started using it ~15 years ago, and I was doing a lot of work on the web, and it's just what I came up with at the time

[Fungus]

Something else that's probably already been discussed, but I only noticed today - a lot of their marketing shots shows it being used in computer devices and showing 100% capacity - this could actually be VERY annoying for the end user, because it'll sit at 100% for a long time then suddenly drop making the gauge practically useless. It may even excite end users enough to post positive feedback, long before they've discovered minimal differences in longevity.

Yes, this has been discussed many times.

[EEVblog]

Something else that's probably already been discussed, but I only noticed today - a lot of their marketing shots shows it being used in computer devices and showing 100% capacity - this could actually be VERY annoying for the end user, because it'll sit at 100% for a long time then suddenly drop making the gauge practically useless. It may even excite end users enough to post positive feedback, long before they've discovered minimal differences in longevity.

Correct. It renders any product battery gauge useless.
It has been mentioned many times.

[rx8pilot]

"Transient State"

[AmmoJammo]

From their facebook page...

I read that post this morning, but went back just now and it's been removed?!

Its back again... lmao